The state of the USPS
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Mtuhockey33
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14252642:Tnski said:
Explain why FedEx and UPS haven’t had the same problems with the pandemic and the cold weather then. You can’t blame it on the pandemic and weather when UPS/FedEx are running faster and smoother than USPS despite the same circumstances.
also, opening up a dispute with USPS is a fucking joke. Their customer service doesn’t have any more information than what’s on your tracking page so they’re just as clueless as the people at the post office. I can honestly say that every package I’ve ordered via USPS in the last 2-3 years has never arrived at the “arrive by date” that it was supposed to arrive on. They’re always at least a day late.
CatdickBojangles
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USPS is a perfect example of how ineffective government run entities are vs private sector.
Mtuhockey33
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14252748:skierman said:
It was terrible before “tHe RePuBlIcAnS” took over... but keep blaming them for all your problems. It sounds better than I’m a piece of shit and that’s why my life is terrible ??
K-Dot.
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14252688:CatdickBojangles said:
Yeah, that's why the fed had to spend $1.5 trillion bailing out the private sector last year. Or the myriad times the fed has had to inject billions into industries when they inevitably crash time and time again because of the unstable nature of a capitalist economy. You stupid, stupid fuck. Learn basic economics.
For anyone that would actually like to understand the USPS issue in greater detail, watch this video. Bring the down votes too, this thread is a cesspool of parroting viewpoints that work against the average persons interests.
r00kie
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14252800:K-Dot. said:
The reason the private sector had to recieve so many bailouts is because of shutdowns. Not rocket science that businesses fail when the government makes it impossible for them to operate. Also, in a free market it is not the governments responsibilty to bail out failing business.
Mtuhockey33
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14252800:K-Dot. said:
Clicked open, realized it was almost an hour, got 5 seconds in until he said, “Quaran-Queens” and then I shut it off...
care to give me a TLDR;?
skierman
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14252807:r00kie said:
"...or the myriad times the fed has had to inject billions into industries when they inevitably crash time and time again because of the unstable nature of a capitalist economy. You stupid, stupid fuck. Learn basic economics."
Dude, you really are a fucking moron.
K-Dot.
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14252855:r00kie said:
First off, no, capitalism does not create incentive, it creates profit. Humans innovated long before it ever existed, to argue otherwise is ahistorical. Second, the alternative to capitalism is not government control. The US government is an instrument of capitalism, it is the expression of capitalist interests. Both liberals and conservatives advocate for competing versions of capitalism. I'm not advocating for liberal reformism and if you chuds watched the video I posted you'd realize that. There's too much unpacking to do with your take on skis being built under capitalism but the long and short is that you're an idiot if you think skis can't be built without it. They've existed since 6000 BC lmao.
Here's another video that every single person in this thread could benefit from watching but probably won't because "muhh guberment bad" is about the depth and extent of thought their goldfish brain can handle.
frostedTip
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14252859:r00kie said:
Isn't whole foods owned by amazon now
K-Dot.
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14252885:r00kie said:
I'm not arguing for primitivism but you're too stupid to understand anything I've said so far so why would this be any different. The point is that creation of things, trading, etc. is not exclusive to capitalism. You could use your logic to justify slavery. Again, basic economics are not your strong suit. Hears a really short one that maybe you can handle.
TOAST.
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Does anyone actually think that a private business could have done the same thing the post office did? Provide affordable mail service to every corner of a rapidly expanding country?
Maybe it's time to cut back what USPS does since a lot can be done electronically now or through another carrier, but the whole "government program bad because government program" arguement is pretty stale.
Maybe it's time to cut back what USPS does since a lot can be done electronically now or through another carrier, but the whole "government program bad because government program" arguement is pretty stale.
T.L.
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14253236:TOAST. said:
When the first US post office was created in the 1770's it was about getting military orders and intel where it needed to go and getting news distributed to the colonies in an efficient and secure manner so that they could build a nation from the ground up with support from their countrymen. Communication was needed so they made it happen and from that it was able to evolve into a system where everyone gets an address and you can get grandmas birthday card delivered right to your door a week late. Private enterprise big enough to make that happen on a national scale simply didn't exist yet.
You won't find me attacking the idea of a USPS. The size of the department and what they should be involved in is another story. What I find absurd is the bureaucracy, the mismanagement, and the inefficiency of the system as it is today. The government has allowed the failures to metastasize.
The USPS doesn't understand what customer service is because they don't need to understand it. They just continue to exist indefinitely as they are... because government.
The USPS cuts secret bulk rate discount and special delivery contracts with Amazon and other members of the The Package Coalition to undercut private sector shippers to bypass the competitive market. Then they want to turn around and ask for bailout money? It's silly and its all broken.
Here's a copy of one of their secret deals with [redacted].
It's a cyclical problem caused by themselves because they can't get out of their own way. Government causing government problems is nothing new. It's one of the only things they're really good at. The only reason why people find the argument so stale is because the taste is so familiar.
AndrewGravesSV
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Private businesses wouldn't deliver mail to more rural and not profitable parts of the country, that is just how it is.
A corporation ALWAYS has making money its number one priority right?
That means the best interests of people will always suffer on the bottom line. Therefore if everyone needs a service, there will be a ton of people who don't receive the same standards if its not profitable. Texas just froze after 20 years of Republican leadership privatizing their public utilities and needed federal aid and gofundmes. Fuck that bullshit of being independent because the profit margins don't provide any safety net
A corporation ALWAYS has making money its number one priority right?
That means the best interests of people will always suffer on the bottom line. Therefore if everyone needs a service, there will be a ton of people who don't receive the same standards if its not profitable. Texas just froze after 20 years of Republican leadership privatizing their public utilities and needed federal aid and gofundmes. Fuck that bullshit of being independent because the profit margins don't provide any safety net
RimJobber
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Ordered binding parts from voile, USPS won't deliver to houses in my area of Tahoe and the post office will only hold packages for 4 days plus they have terrible hours so it's impossible for me to make it there while working at a ski resort.
Decided to ship them to my girlfriend's house instead so I would be able to get them and not have them sent back. Turns out USPS still sent my shit back because I put my name for the address and the delivery person decided that they haven't seen that name on that address before and sent it back anyway
Decided to ship them to my girlfriend's house instead so I would be able to get them and not have them sent back. Turns out USPS still sent my shit back because I put my name for the address and the delivery person decided that they haven't seen that name on that address before and sent it back anyway
AndrewGravesSV
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14253628:zues said:
Republicans don't control the weather but they did control having their own power grid that can't deal with weather events fairly. Conservatives memed on California for having rolling blackouts in a bunch of parts of the state this summer and accused their poor leadership. Rolling blackouts affected a bunch of areas for a few hours at a time but shifted the imbalance around. Texas has a supply and demand power grid so when there was a shortage of power, prices spiked drastically and people who couldn't afford it were days without power and heat.
80 people died.
AndrewGravesSV
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They had a similar crisis in 2011, but winterizing costs money and it wasn't required for companies to upgrade to avert future disasters. The companies didn't because muh profits, and Republicans blamed wind power.
https://www.texastribune.org/2021/02/17/texas-power-grid-failures/
https://www.texastribune.org/2021/02/17/texas-power-grid-failures/
zues
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14254004:AndrewGravesSV said:
I forgot that it snows in Texas once every century. How dare they waste money on snowplows, salt and salt. I'm sure investing in equipment thats never used is a smart move.
My company is from Texas. The last time they had a storm like this was literally 80 years ago. You're the type of person who thinks money grows on trees right? If only Texas had plows and salt to use once every five decades. Oh yea I'm sure the tax payers would love that!!
Oh wow look Texas is back to normal after 4 days without power. I guess that lockdown worked better than the previous lockdowns.
Have you ever been to Texas? ..............
No you haven't.
skierman
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14254012:zues said:
"DURRR THESE STORMS DON'T HAPPEN MUCH DESPITE EVIDENCE CLEARLY INDICATING THESE STORMS WILL HAPPEN MORE. REPUBLICANS DON'T CONTROL WEATHER THEREFOR THEY CAN'T BE RELIED UPON TO PROTECT CRITICAL SYSTEMS FROM WORSENING WEATHER EVENTS! DUUUUUUUURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR"
SWRTOFFICIAL
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14254020:skierman said:
Only those damn liberals control the weather. right?
AndrewGravesSV
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14254012:zues said:
We're not talking about snowplows and salt, and we can't rely on past historical weather data due to climate change. We're updating power plants and transmission so people don't freeze to death in their own homes you stupid fuck
Here's two quotes from the article you didn't read:
"Texas politicians and regulators were warned after the 2011 storm that more “winterizing” of power infrastructure was necessary, a report by the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission and the North American Electric Reliability Corporation shows."
"Woodfin, of ERCOT, acknowledged that there’s no requirement to prepare power infrastructure for such extremely low temperatures. “Those are not mandatory, it’s a voluntary guideline to decide to do those things,” he said. “There are financial incentives to stay online, but there is no regulation at this point.”"
Why is it a hot take to say that companies should spend the money required to keep people from dying?
zues
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Bahaha you went from "freezing" to "dying" within two paragraphs. Last time I checked just because you pay a bill doesn't mean it protects your life.
OH WOW LIBERAL LOGIC 101. I pay for electricity and heat therefore they protect me.
DOES THE GROCERY STORE PROTECT YOU FROM STARVING TOO?
I PAY FOR INSURANCE THEREFORE I'M SAFE.
"THE NEWS TOLD ME THE USA IS THE SOLE CULPRIT OF GLOBAL WARMING. ...... NO CHINA DOESN'T EMIT THREE TIMES OUR C02 EMISSIONS AND IT DIDN'T START IN EUROPE IN THE LATE 1700'S
NO AMERICA DOESN'T HAVE TESLA THE GREATEST PRODUCER OF ELECTRIC VEHICLES. NO THE USA DOESN'T PROVDE THE BEST TAX BREAK EITHER.
[tag=1388]@skierman[/tag] WHATS UP BABY. HOWS YOUR ASS FEELING
OH WOW LIBERAL LOGIC 101. I pay for electricity and heat therefore they protect me.
DOES THE GROCERY STORE PROTECT YOU FROM STARVING TOO?
I PAY FOR INSURANCE THEREFORE I'M SAFE.
"THE NEWS TOLD ME THE USA IS THE SOLE CULPRIT OF GLOBAL WARMING. ...... NO CHINA DOESN'T EMIT THREE TIMES OUR C02 EMISSIONS AND IT DIDN'T START IN EUROPE IN THE LATE 1700'S
NO AMERICA DOESN'T HAVE TESLA THE GREATEST PRODUCER OF ELECTRIC VEHICLES. NO THE USA DOESN'T PROVDE THE BEST TAX BREAK EITHER.
[tag=1388]@skierman[/tag] WHATS UP BABY. HOWS YOUR ASS FEELING
14254045:AndrewGravesSV said: