The Start Of World War Three

13550980:californiagrown said:
Do you not remember what you said, is that why you are so insistent on me quoting your post... Or do you just like to hear yourself talk? It's right there for anyone to read.
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Face it - you fucked up, got called out, and are desperately trying to avoid looking like an ass. Isn't working.
 
13550980:californiagrown said:
You sure do have a lot of hate in you, maybe you'd benefit from some religon.

Do you not remember what you said, is that why you are so insistent on me quoting your post... Or do you just like to hear yourself talk? It's right there for anyone to read.
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No, it's merely the fact that I know I never said that eradicating RELIGION was a solution to the problem.

It's a shame that you're too stubborn to admit that you are unable to find anywhere that I have implied eradicating religion is a good solution.

If you have anything with even slight intelligence to add to this conversation please do.
 
13550994:Sparta said:
Face it - you fucked up, got called out, and are desperately trying to avoid looking like an ass. Isn't working.
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You should try reading the thread...

13550995:steeze4days said:
No, it's merely the fact that I know I never said that eradicating RELIGION was a solution to the problem.

It's a shame that you're too stubborn to admit that you are unable to find anywhere that I have implied eradicating religion is a good solution.

If you have anything with even slight intelligence to add to this conversation please do.
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The basis of your long post was to blame religon and suggest it's ending. Do you not even realize what you are writing?
 
13550998:californiagrown said:
You should try reading the thread...
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you should try understanding the thread... he clearly said "ISIS must be eradicated from this world and we are yet to figure out how." you are the one who jumped to the conclusion that means he must want to eradicate religion, which is definitely not the point he wants to make.
 
13551010:Sparta said:
you should try understanding the thread... he clearly said "ISIS must be eradicated from this world and we are yet to figure out how." you are the one who jumped to the conclusion that means he must want to eradicate religion, which is definitely not the point he wants to make.
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You're only reading the OP not his long post later in the thread...
 
ISIS was funded and created by the undercover agencies hidden within the American government. The United States has an agenda to distract humanity and fuck the world economy through false flag operations guided to benefit the top 1% of the world and sustain their ridiculous lives. Maybe...
 
13551014:californiagrown said:
You're only reading the OP not his long post later in the thread...
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No- what I quoted was from the long post towards the bottom of the first page
 
13551018:FerrisBueller said:
ISIS was funded and created by the undercover agencies hidden within the American government. The United States has an agenda to distract humanity and fuck the world economy through false flag operations guided to benefit the top 1% of the world and sustain their ridiculous lives. Maybe...
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Aaaaaaaaaaaaand we have an answer.

Thank you, you've finally convinced everyone here of your stupidity.

Almost everything has a logical explanation. The idea that the American government is behind ISIS not a logical explanation.

No matter how much you may want to think that you're living in Mission Impossible, it will never be the case.

You probably think that the Moon landings never happened.

Stop listening to what people say, and do your own validated research and look to reliable sources then make an informed, educated, logical decision of your opinion based off of the data you've collected.

Please stay in or go back to school.
 
13551046:californiagrown said:
You didn't quote anything, you paraphrased. And you skipped over the argument in question.
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I'm not going to argue with you anymore because the fact is you can not argue with stupid, science shows it to be near impossible.

If you would like to start laying out your argument please do so by showing me the facts, such as where I say or even come close to implying such ridiculous things such as simply getting rid of all religion.

If you don't want to do that then please leave this thread and go on ruining the planet we have with your childish, uneducated, misinformed way of 'thinking'.
 
13551065:steeze4days said:
I'm not going to argue with you anymore because the fact is you can not argue with stupid, science shows it to be near impossible.

If you would like to start laying out your argument please do so by showing me the facts, such as where I say or even come close to implying such ridiculous things such as simply getting rid of all religion.

If you don't want to do that then please leave this thread and go on ruining the planet we have with your childish, uneducated, misinformed way of 'thinking'.
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Stopping discussion because of differing viewpoints.... And you call me childish?

Go on, take your thread and go home if you can't win. It's what we expect from a young, naive person like yourself.
 
13551018:FerrisBueller said:
ISIS was funded and created by the undercover agencies hidden within the American government. The United States has an agenda to distract humanity and fuck the world economy through false flag operations guided to benefit the top 1% of the world and sustain their ridiculous lives. Maybe...
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Those are some extraordinary claims. Do you have any evidence to back them?

Yes, ISIS was in part a creation of the west, and why would the US government want to ‘fuck’ the world economy? The only thing I could think of in its vaguest form is the IMF imposing insurmountable loans on sovereign countries in collusion with western powers to topple governments and to exploit resources, via, economic hit-men. False flags happen often and many governments commit them.

I’m not sure if the Paris Attack was a false flag, I hope not, lets hope Mossad didn’t have a hand in it.
 
13551041:steeze4days said:
Aaaaaaaaaaaaand we have an answer.

Thank you, you've finally convinced everyone here of your stupidity.

Almost everything has a logical explanation. The idea that the American government is behind ISIS not a logical explanation.

No matter how much you may want to think that you're living in Mission Impossible, it will never be the case.

You probably think that the Moon landings never happened.

Stop listening to what people say, and do your own validated research and look to reliable sources then make an informed, educated, logical decision of your opinion based off of the data you've collected.

Please stay in or go back to school.
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I could give you thousands of sources and links that illustrate western nations involvement in the creation of ISIS. Obviously, their plans to utilize ISIS as a proxy army to topple Assad and destabilize the region didn’t work as planned. Also, I like the ad hominem attack. Ya blew it.
 
13549742:CONAIR_BUSCEMI said:
Assad has not been supporting ISIS, he and his army have been doing much to the contrary, same with Russia.

We would have to go back to the 2013 bombings in Syria conducted by Israel to understand the geopolitical scope of these issues. The bombings were indirect attacks on Iran. Syria and Iran are bound by a mutual defense pact and are strategic alliances. The US and Israel's senate resolution 65, surely to pass states that congress reaffirms the long-standing bonds of friendship and cooperation between the United States and Israel, supports the full implementation of U.S. and international sanctions on Iran, recognizes the tremendous threat posed to the United States, the West, and Israel by Iran's pursuit of a nuclear weapons capability, formerly Iran has not even decided nor has the capability to create a nuclear warhead, as stated by the CIA. It also states that if Israel is compelled to take military action in self-defense against Iran's nuclear weapons program the U.S. government will provide Israel with diplomatic, military, and economic support. Hence, the foreign relations committee voting to endorse resolution 65 (April 17, 2013) is the latchkey should Israel attack Iran.

So people should know that Israel has openly indicated its desire to use military force on Iran. Formerly, on January 30th 2013 the US government affirmed that the Syrian government under Assad utilized chemical weapons against its own people. Following this event, it was revealed that a hacker leaked emails and a large quantity of sensitive documents from a UK based military contractor. Particular emails within these hacked documents were manipulated to make it look like this operation had full proof from the US government, however this is incorrect and stains the documents’ credibility. Nevertheless, a plan by Qatari was to have the firm provide false evidence that Syria would give the go ahead to use chemical weapons.

Three months later, on March 19th sarin gas was used in Aleppo, Syria. Israel and the US accused the Syrian government when many of those killed were Syrian government soldiers. Obama then began talking about the event as a ‘RED LINE’ that had been crossed. However, the UN investigated the subject and on May 6th 2013 UN investigator Carla Del Ponte went public, stating that it was in fact the Syrian rebels that utilized sarin gas and that there was no sign that the Syrian government launched any chemical attacks whatsoever.

According to the lab results, investigators discovered the presence of Hexogen, which was utilized as an opening charge and is not used in standard chemical emissions. Therefore, results pointed to the attack being launched by the Syrian rebels.

Mysteriously, the Obama Administration backed down from previous claims. I believe this was done to create the ostensible reason for military involvement.

Iran-backed Hezbollah weapons were said to be the target according to Israel. The real motive however, was to derail Syria’s progress in their fight against foreign militants originally from Lebanon. Hezbollah, who sides with president Assad’s regime, declares that it was a war against foreign backed terrorists. Iran has sent over 4,000 troops to aid Assad and Russia s-300, have responded to take Syria's side as well as China. This is all about how Iran has one of the largest oil reserves; in addition they are not cooperating with the US. The USA's excuse to invade Syria is an excuse to draw Iran into an exposed conflict.

Following these events, the US increased their support significantly. In July, the US openly began discussing kinetic strikes against Syria as if their lies hadn’t been exposed. Shortly after, on August 21st 2013 the US attempted once again to frame the Syrian government. Initially, the media coverage tried to pin the attack on the Syrian government and the US and France instantly came out condemning Assad. By August 24th the Pentagon already announced plans for missile strikes. That very day the Syrian army came forward with footage to back up their report that they uncovered a massive chemical weapons stash in Rebel tunnels in the Damascus suburbs of Jawbar. This is the exact neighborhood of where the chemical weapon attacks took place.

On May 31st 2013 Turkey finds a 2kg cylinder filled with sarin gas in homes of Syrian militants.

On July 7th the Syrian army went public regarding a chemical lab that they found belonging to the Syrian rebels outside the city of Damascus.

What is the motive? The only parties that benefit from the ensuing attack are the Syrian rebels, the US and its allies. The Syrian government knows full well that NATO and the US have been looking for any accuse to invade. Moreover, two days after the attack, the Syrian rebels release a video statement vowing to strike back with any and all means. They claimed to have access to chemical weapons and that they now intended to use them with zero misgivings from this point forward. Basically, they are using their own crime for a pretext to openly utilize chemical weapons in battle.

As of recent “Obama now admits Assad MUST go before ISIS can be defeated: President plans to focus on Syria and ousting dictator as he tries to beat back terror group,” Strange when Assad is an enemy of ISIS, which if he was to be ousted would pave way for ISIS control over that region. It would make more sense to help Assad and Russia destroy ISIS in Syria leaving the reduced and concentrated in the killing sand hoc of Iraq. That's been the plan all along. ISIS was used as a pretext to attack Syria and then Iran.

So if the US invades a lot of civilians will die. Their situation is not going to be enhanced by the US attacking, anymore than it was in Iraq.

Ever smell the stench from a rotting corpse? Ever hold the half torn apart body of a wife, child, and brother, friend as the life slips away into total coldness? Well, hundreds of deaths daily are being orchestrated by a very profitable war machine. If they escalate that machine in Syria, it will be thousands, if not tens of thousands.

The point I am trying to make here which is as relevant as it gets, is that the academia / conditioned entertainment individual mentality today and for the last decade is so detached from reality they talk and write as if debating the rules and reasoning of the war topic as if a cribbage game. They mention death and slaughter (potential or actual) as if a review of a new TV series.

All of us need to grab ourselves by the scuff of our own shirts and kick ourselves very hard, often, and with true disdain as to how we have allowed ourselves to be so sound bite conditioned to be in all reality detached from the reality of the death for profit we are all being spoon fed in the tone as if whom will win the spelling bee today.

Safety through conditioned illusion of the reality of a situation will not cut it any more. Ever dream you could fly, or walk through walls, or walk down the highway into oncoming traffic where the cars would not hit you?

Well, dreaming is safe. Illusion is safe. Hard core "reality" can have lethal and unintended consequences for those that allow themselves to be entertained.

Again, reality says: Stand-down regarding attacking Syria.

Arrogance for a show of deadly force at the cost of much blood and lives cannot be allowed or tolerated. This is not entertainment folks, it is the choice between life and death.

The circumstances for any war or lethal military attack should be determined by: THE ANSWER TO THIS ONE QUESTION: If you, your family, and all of your friends were sitting at ground zero, do the circumstances created by others in that location warrant a lethal strike on ground zero?

If the answer is yes TO THAT QUESTION, than bombs away. If no, then stand down and resolve, or assist to resolving if you choose. Resolving the circumstances that moved the question to be asked in the first place.

War is the bully coward’s way of confrontation without the use of effective true intelligence and brilliance applied for mutually beneficial coexistence. War also puts much easy money in the pockets of what can be called noting other than true, well placed human scum.

The choice is all of ours folks of Life or Death. Choose wisely and back your choice up with true applied force to influence what end result flourishes. Those that choose death should in true justice reap what they sow and Ditto for those that choose life.
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Surprised no one quoted this, California Grown and OneNerdKid should read this deeply, this isn't a debate, you wont convince anyone, especially not here, so stop debating. That is the problem, trying to justify your beliefs over some one else's. It is a choice each and every one of us must make in our hearts of Life and death. That simple.
 
Also, there will be another 9/11 like incident in the United States very soon.

Scaremonger, Lindsey Graham in 2013 pushed the fear agenda that Syria and Iran would nuke Charlestown or New York harbor if the United States did not bomb Syria in 2013. Graham was a key mouthpiece who pushed for Syria military intervention. He propagandized fear like a terrorist would, yet this man still seems to be a credible representative of the people?

He wants 10,000 U.S. ground troops in Iraq and Syria. "If we don't do these things soon, what you've seen in Paris is coming to America.” He is quoted saying, “There’s a 9/11 coming after Paris.”

He grand publicly stated that, "the United States would suffer a nuclear attack, if it did not contain Syria’s chemical weapons," which, as we have found out the 2013 chemical attacks were orchestrated by the moderate rebels and not the Assad Regime.

BUT NOW this fucker is at it again. The media time and time again using the same mouthpiece to spread fear and to foster an agenda. Graham states, that the next 9/11 is coming from Syria and Iraq, it is inevitable.”

Terrifying, terrorist, terrorism, trauma, fear, control and play you like a bill. Under the 2012 NDAA passed by the Obama Administration, repeals the Smith Mudct Act and allows the US government to legally utilize propaganda on its citizens. They are bullshitting you with legal lies.
 
13548981:onenerdykid said:
So do you then think Muslims should re-write or edit out certain passages of the Qur'an and Hadiths? While there are very peaceful and kind messages in their religious texts, there are also blatantly violent and oppressive messages too. Religious moderates cling the to former and ignore the latter, but there are obviously people who take the latter at face value because it is the word of God.
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Jihadists have used these passages as justification for murder countless times, yet muslims are still cool with keeping the passages. The fact that they haven't removed these passages is all you need to know that Islam isn't really a religion of peace.
 
13551335:facedownassup said:
hey fuck u cock sucker, don't blame a few muslims all this bullshit going on in the media

not all muslims are terrorists
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You make me very concerned for the state of U.S. public education.
 
The Buddhists in Myanmar have figured it out, allowing Muslims into any country in large numbers is a death sentence. They expand and colonize through violence and heavy breeding. The only response is to counter them head-on with force.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/un-dozens-of-rohingya-muslims-massacred-by-buddhists-in-rakhine-burma/

Europe will eventually have to counter them, or fall into darkness. There can be no peace in Europe with the rate of increase of the Islamic population (through migration and breeding). Civil war is on the horizon, but who will win? Europe, with its leftist 5th column, has lost its spine.
 
13551385:californiagrown said:
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The only people helping ISIS are the open-borders idiots like Angela Merkel, this is nothing short of an attempt to colonize Europe. That helps ISIS, not standing up to the ideology, and the followers of the ideology, that creates violence, rape, and death throughout Europe.

This dude is Taqiyya liar. The common nonsense that we've heard over and over, "Keep being nice to the followers of Islamic sharia or they'll turn into terrorists!"

I say let them show their true colors and then paint targets on them. We can start with Rotherham and Molenbeek.

Japan has it figured out as well:

http://www.jewishpress.com/indepth/opinions/the-land-without-muslims/2013/05/19/0/
 
13551176:CTD said:
Surprised no one quoted this, California Grown and OneNerdKid should read this deeply, this isn't a debate, you wont convince anyone, especially not here, so stop debating. That is the problem, trying to justify your beliefs over some one else's. It is a choice each and every one of us must make in our hearts of Life and death. That simple.
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I do hope you see the irony in making an argument that we shouldn't be arguing. We can all benefit from an exchange of ideas. It does not necessarily mean that I am trying to change californiagrown's opinion on the subject, but I do think he needs to have more information. And if my contributions/opinions make his beliefs stronger and it helps him or any of us find more answers in this world, then so be it. In order to make the right choice in our minds and hearts we should have as much information as possible.
 
13551397:Campeador said:
The only people helping ISIS are the open-borders idiots like Angela Merkel, this is nothing short of an attempt to colonize Europe. That helps ISIS, not standing up to the ideology, and the followers of the ideology, that creates violence, rape, and death throughout Europe.
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One of the main tenants of ISIS ideology is that now that a caliphate has been created, all Muslims must come to the Islamic State- staying in a different country is greatly discouraged and frowned upon. Jihadists that go to Europe and do not return to the Islamic State are seen as dropouts. ISIS ideally wants & seeks to work from within the state and expand outwards, not attack states from the outside (but they of course praise those attacks nonetheless).

Musa Cerantonio (a recruiter in Australia) and Anjem Choudary (a cleric in England) greatly wish to leave their country of residence and go to the Islamic State, but they cannot- they have had their passports repossessed and a travel ban placed on their names. And this is common with a lot of jihadists- they can't get to the Islamic State so they carry out terrorism in their respective countries. Perhaps if we let them travel to the Islamic State it might be beneficial for the country they currently live in since they would never come back...
 
This may turn into war but not for long isis is small compared to russia, france, and the us all waging war on isis but isis doesn't have a government or country with it. If it is a war it won't turn into a world war if russia is on our side. Russia and the US still have WMDs from the cold war they have yet to be taken care of so if a war was the us vs russia it will be the last of us with nuclear winter
 
13551790:Deepskier said:
This may turn into war but not for long isis is small compared to russia, france, and the us all waging war on isis but isis doesn't have a government or country with it. If it is a war it won't turn into a world war if russia is on our side. Russia and the US still have WMDs from the cold war they have yet to be taken care of so if a war was the us vs russia it will be the last of us with nuclear winter
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Are you talking about our nukes? You mean the best detterent to war the world has ever seen? Yeah, anyone who has those will never give them up. There are no, and never have been plans to eliminate the nuclear arsenal, just reduce it to useful levels.

As for the biological and chemical weapons, no major world player will ever use those again- they will lose all support if they do.
 
13548981:onenerdykid said:
So do you then think Muslims should re-write or edit out certain passages of the Qur'an and Hadiths? While there are very peaceful and kind messages in their religious texts, there are also blatantly violent and oppressive messages too. Religious moderates cling the to former and ignore the latter, but there are obviously people who take the latter at face value because it is the word of God.
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I don't care what the fuck they write in their book as long as they stop blowing shit up. This whole mess is out of control and all we have to talk about is if these people accurately represent Islam? I couldn't care less what they represent, human rights are being violated on a global scale and it needs to be stopped. It just so happens that the U.S. has responsibility in the recent growth of ISIS so I feel that we are more than morally obligated to step in.
 
I think you guys read into it weird. Sure you could say that ISIS is a product of western nations, but has anybody thought that ISIS could just be a product of richer Arab nations? Think about this In the past two years OPEC has suddenly opened up its oil supply and the price of crude has dropped below 50$ a barrel. This also coninsided with US and Russia pumping up production. By doing this they crippled domestic oil production which was distroying their business model. So they outbid the U.S. And Russia on oil....keep the area in turmoil (Syria for Russia and Iraq for the U.S.) so that the U.S. and Russia are drawn into perpertual conflict allowing OPEC to profit from massive oil sales. Basically just comes down to money.

Also to fully get rid of ISIS first you need to solve the civil war in Syria first. That is a giant cluster fuck to begin with and with Russia and Iran involved it looks like it isn't getting any simpler.

Then even if you have all those issues resolved you still have you end ISIS with ground troops and deal with their funding ( which as I said before means dealing with OPEC nations who are secretly funding these operations). Also you have to finally deal with the Sunni and Shia grievances in those two nations on top of having to deal with the Kurds wanting their own country at the end of this.

Honestly it isn't the Muslim issue that's the problem its proxy wars by nations with interests that's the problem. It's the oil in the area and who will profit from it that's the problem. You either go in full with troops and wage war there for 20 more years ( on top of the 20 we have been there for already) or you pull out and let all of them deal with their own bullshit once and for all. Either way it's all fucked.
 
13551926:MLB said:
I think you guys read into it weird. Sure you could say that ISIS is a product of western nations, but has anybody thought that ISIS could just be a product of richer Arab nations? Think about this In the past two years OPEC has suddenly opened up its oil supply and the price of crude has dropped below 50$ a barrel. This also coninsided with US and Russia pumping up production. By doing this they crippled domestic oil production which was distroying their business model. So they outbid the U.S. And Russia on oil....keep the area in turmoil (Syria for Russia and Iraq for the U.S.) so that the U.S. and Russia are drawn into perpertual conflict allowing OPEC to profit from massive oil sales. Basically just comes down to money.

Also to fully get rid of ISIS first you need to solve the civil war in Syria first. That is a giant cluster fuck to begin with and with Russia and Iran involved it looks like it isn't getting any simpler.

Then even if you have all those issues resolved you still have you end ISIS with ground troops and deal with their funding ( which as I said before means dealing with OPEC nations who are secretly funding these operations). Also you have to finally deal with the Sunni and Shia grievances in those two nations on top of having to deal with the Kurds wanting their own country at the end of this.

Honestly it isn't the Muslim issue that's the problem its proxy wars by nations with interests that's the problem. It's the oil in the area and who will profit from it that's the problem. You either go in full with troops and wage war there for 20 more years ( on top of the 20 we have been there for already) or you pull out and let all of them deal with their own bullshit once and for all. Either way it's all fucked.
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Finally someone who knows wtf they're talking about in here
 
Everybody has agenda. All you have to do is be open and unbiased all sources of information and just put the puzzle pieces together. The problem is that people all want to push their own agendas ( even on this site). Right wingers basically push the anti-Muslim/anti-immigrant issue, leftists push the opening of boarders and to accept all religions. Then the nut jobs push the "the illuminati are controlling the U.S. into making humanity kill each other so that the lizard overlords can take over earth easier."

Nobody actually wants to take a logical look at this because of agendas. This thread is proof of that.
 
13551926:MLB said:
Honestly it isn't the Muslim issue that's the problem its proxy wars by nations with interests that's the problem. It's the oil in the area and who will profit from it that's the problem. You either go in full with troops and wage war there for 20 more years ( on top of the 20 we have been there for already) or you pull out and let all of them deal with their own bullshit once and for all. Either way it's all fucked.
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When it comes specifically to ISIS, oil isn't their actual interest and waging a physical war against them will only perpetuate the issue. They are literally trying to take the world back to a 7th century existence and in such a world, oil is not the main concern- Islamic ideology is the main concern. And because they are trying to bring an ideology into complete existence, you simply can't bomb it out of existence. You can only defeat it with education and time, and that is probably the scariest thing about it- it will take an absurd amount of time.

I've posted this already but people should know what really motivates ISIS:

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/03/what-isis-really-wants/384980/
 
13551926:MLB said:
I think you guys read into it weird. Sure you could say that ISIS is a product of western nations, but has anybody thought that ISIS could just be a product of richer Arab nations? Think about this In the past two years OPEC has suddenly opened up its oil supply and the price of crude has dropped below 50$ a barrel. This also coninsided with US and Russia pumping up production. By doing this they crippled domestic oil production which was distroying their business model. So they outbid the U.S. And Russia on oil....keep the area in turmoil (Syria for Russia and Iraq for the U.S.) so that the U.S. and Russia are drawn into perpertual conflict allowing OPEC to profit from massive oil sales. Basically just comes down to money.

Also to fully get rid of ISIS first you need to solve the civil war in Syria first. That is a giant cluster fuck to begin with and with Russia and Iran involved it looks like it isn't getting any simpler.

Then even if you have all those issues resolved you still have you end ISIS with ground troops and deal with their funding ( which as I said before means dealing with OPEC nations who are secretly funding these operations). Also you have to finally deal with the Sunni and Shia grievances in those two nations on top of having to deal with the Kurds wanting their own country at the end of this.

Honestly it isn't the Muslim issue that's the problem its proxy wars by nations with interests that's the problem. It's the oil in the area and who will profit from it that's the problem. You either go in full with troops and wage war there for 20 more years ( on top of the 20 we have been there for already) or you pull out and let all of them deal with their own bullshit once and for all. Either way it's all fucked.
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Exactly, I think Putin decided that he had to play ball with the ISIS.

Russia is allied with Syria and he has been outspoken in the past against US action in Libya and elsewhere. So when Obama's supposed redline was crossed in 2013, (Chemical weapons attack, which was not orchestrated by Assad but rather by the free Syrian army), Russia put in a show of force. The people rejected Obama's entreaty to go to war in Syria, so they used proxies, ISIS/ISIL to destabilize the region.

ISIS enabled the US to pursue a campaign and not ostensibly interfere with Russia and China's ally. ISIS has spurned US support for general action in the region, but the action has been focused on overthrowing/ousting Assad, not ISIS.

Russia could have called the US out, and had, but it was falling on deaf ears. So Putin upped his game; can't beat 'em, join 'em. Russia actually started targeting ISIS which severely disrupted the US campaign against Assad.

If Russia defeated, ISIS, then they were defeating America's reason to interfere in the region. So they are now trying to sideswipe the entire ISIS issue by motivating people to go to war with Assad. It’s clear that we intend to go to war and our target, just like with 9/11 and Iraq, are the people who weren't involved.

The US has been fueling the conflict with these proxy armies. The US needs to take control of Syria, just as Russia needs to.

The United States and coalition forces in Syria are losing, Russia and Assad have taken over control of Aleppo.

In regards to the Paris attacks, a lot of people are saying it was a false flag. The French president has decided to go ahead and bomb the Islamic State in Syria, however, they are also bombing the infrastructure of Syria, they’ll be going after Assad in Syria. At the same time Russia’s air campaign aided in the Syrian army offensive and they have taken back Aleppo.

It’s funny because while all this is happening western intelligence agencies are saying that because "we can not break the encryption because of what Edward Snowdon did, the terrorists know how we pick up their chatter." Personally, I don’t think ISIS is going to be planning out their next attack on Facebook or twitter, why even communicate on the internet? There are far more private ways to organize and plan for the next attack.

We know that the coalition forces were losing ground in Syria. We know that Russia’s air campaign started to destroy the islamic state in Syria in a little over three months. This is something the US was suppose to be doing since 2013, however we know that they were not bombing ISIS but rather the infrastructure of Syria.

I’m going to play devils advocate here but maybe they needed some kind of event to distract everyone. They want us to be fearful, scared, nervous, they want us to fear ISIS and rightfully so. The corporate media has said that officials found a Syrian passport on one of the dead terrorists, however, when we look at the perpetrators of the attack we see that two of the attackers were born in the suburbs of France, one in Drancy, three lived in Belgium, and we later find out that the Syrian passport was a forgery. I mean whenever you go and terrorize the public and blow yourself up, always bring your passport. We saw this back in 9/11 when the passports survived the North Tower plane explosion, as well as the Charlie Hebdo. The operatives were also armed with automatic weapons, explosive belts, how could they have entered and attacked these sites, completely unnoticed?

So there’s been a political agenda, the incident inspired intense emotion, French authorities already knew who the terrorists were, and of course the corporate media says that one of the attackers screamed "I’m from ISIS" and then stated the reason for the shooting, “this is for Syria.” I mean come on, it is so transparent that the west is using this tragedy to fuel their foreign and political interests. I mean the French President came right out and said it was the Islamic States before any investigation was conducted, he just knows. Yeah, okay.

48 hours prior to the attacks, a massive cyberattack took down the French mobile data network and blinded police surveillance. Officials stated that “it was a very sophisticated attack.” All of this might have been planned. The US is urging France and Turkey to put special forces down in Syria. Obama, has stated that ground troops would be a grave mistake, but he’s lying. He said we should have at least 10,000 or another 5,000 but no more.

That was my last post ever, bye forever.
 
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13552011:onenerdykid said:
When it comes specifically to ISIS, oil isn't their actual interest and waging a physical war against them will only perpetuate the issue. They are literally trying to take the world back to a 7th century existence and in such a world, oil is not the main concern- Islamic ideology is the main concern. And because they are trying to bring an ideology into complete existence, you simply can't bomb it out of existence. You can only defeat it with education and time, and that is probably the scariest thing about it- it will take an absurd amount of time.

I've posted this already but people should know what really motivates ISIS:

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/03/what-isis-really-wants/384980/
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I totally get ISIS. I do, and I understand what they want. That's not the issue. The issue is that they are the angry pitbull at the end of a chain. The thing is though is that there is a master at the end of chain. That master is the one who gives orders to that pitbull. ISIS is fucking nuts. No doubt about that. The problem is with their financial/strategic backers.

There have been insane fundamentalist Islamic groups before but none have been able to do what ISIS has. They have money/access to money that allows them to access resources that no other group has been able to. Guys like Chechnyan mercenaries and former Iraqi royal guard generals.

My point is that it could have been any group, but that this group might have been brought up for this specific purpose. Their goal doesn't matter much to the backers, just their effect.
 
13551018:FerrisBueller said:
ISIS was funded and created by the undercover agencies hidden within the American government. The United States has an agenda to distract humanity and fuck the world economy through false flag operations guided to benefit the top 1% of the world and sustain their ridiculous lives. Maybe...
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Put your tinfoil hat back on
 
13551663:onenerdykid said:
One of the main tenants of ISIS ideology is that now that a caliphate has been created, all Muslims must come to the Islamic State- staying in a different country is greatly discouraged and frowned upon. Jihadists that go to Europe and do not return to the Islamic State are seen as dropouts. ISIS ideally wants & seeks to work from within the state and expand outwards, not attack states from the outside (but they of course praise those attacks nonetheless).

Musa Cerantonio (a recruiter in Australia) and Anjem Choudary (a cleric in England) greatly wish to leave their country of residence and go to the Islamic State, but they cannot- they have had their passports repossessed and a travel ban placed on their names. And this is common with a lot of jihadists- they can't get to the Islamic State so they carry out terrorism in their respective countries. Perhaps if we let them travel to the Islamic State it might be beneficial for the country they currently live in since they would never come back...
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On the 2nd part, I agree completely, as long as the governments of each country fully revoke their citizenship and strip their passports as soon as they leave.
 
13551335:facedownassup said:
hey fuck u cock sucker, don't blame a few muslims all this bullshit going on in the media

not all muslims are terrorists
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I agree with facedownassup, there I said it
 
I wrote this a few days ago I'll throw it in here.

As a country and as a society we need to reflect on the troubles that lie ahead. We criticize white theocracy, but find it taboo to point blame when blame needs to be pointed. We are then dismissed and told to retract our finger.

Even though it may not be the majority of a group that would commit a honorific act. It is the global spread of these bad ideas that need to be stopped. Violence set aside, when women and homosexuals become eviscerated in society, and death is found appropriate for apostasy. We need to stand up and ban together to stop these ideas from being spread. We need to push the reformers up and have them be the voices so they can be followed. That is how this violence will be stopped, my 02.
 
13551790:Deepskier said:
This may turn into war but not for long isis is small compared to russia, france, and the us all waging war on isis but isis doesn't have a government or country with it. If it is a war it won't turn into a world war if russia is on our side. Russia and the US still have WMDs from the cold war they have yet to be taken care of so if a war was the us vs russia it will be the last of us with nuclear winter
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We're pretty much in a proxy war with Russia- using more Cold War tactics than anything. Cold War II is coming you guys.
 
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