The skis I want do not exist

Misfitmonkey

Misfitmonkey

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been looking for a super soft ski that is very rockerd, and is just super fun in the park. Im talking Stupid soft, lean backwards a little and fall over soft. The closest ski i have found so far to this criteria are my 2019 or 2020 surface royales (this is pre redesign. they made um stiffer WHY? and less rockered) I have tried out other skis that people say are super soft ie: vishnus, lines, fatypus/icelantic, 1000 skis, misfits skis, and have not found a ski that is to my liking. Reccomendations would be greatly appreciated, but I know that most likely i am looking for a ski that does not exist, as everyone on here says that vishnus are the softest ski, and they do not even compare to my old surface skis in terms of flex, and are way stiffer than what I would like. Yes I know soft skis break easier, and are bad for all mountain, but my local is microscopic, and I have no real need for a all mountain ski, as I only really ski park, more specifically railsl. Yall probobly gonna say some things like hit the gym or you must not weigh much, which is partially the case (135lbs) but even as a little kid at mabye 100 pounds I could butter my adult model surface skis. I can do butter on stiffer skis ie: my armada Thanos dogs. Im not saying that vishnus or any of the other skis mentioned are stiff, thety are def soft skis, just not soft enough for me. I just want to go back to some stupid soft skis

If yall know of anything like im describing let me know, skis these days gotta loosen up and quit being so stiff
 
You answered yourself in the post dude. Might be time to consider a calorie surplus, weight and strength is literally everything when it comes to what you are describing. Ever wonder why Colby Stevenson can almost effortlessly butter a pair of poachers?

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14584545:Steezarmada said:
You answered yourself in the post dude. Might be time to consider a calorie surplus, weight and strength is literally everything when it comes to what you are describing. Ever wonder why Colby Stevenson can almost effortlessly butter a pair of poachers?

**This post was edited on Jan 26th 2024 at 10:14:46pm

**This post was edited on Jan 26th 2024 at 10:14:57pm
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yes, but no matter how much I weight or how strong I am, skis will still have different flexes to them. Being strong might mean you can butter a stiff ski easier, but that doesn't change the fact that it is a stiff ski.
 
I had some chronics that were like that a few years back, sometimes you gotta break a ski in a bit, everything loosens up a bit after ~30 days of constant butters
 
14584564:Misfitmonkey said:
yes, but no matter how much I weight or how strong I am, skis will still have different flexes to them. Being strong might mean you can butter a stiff ski easier, but that doesn't change the fact that it is a stiff ski.
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It will feel much softer tho. if wets still are too stiff for you, being one of the softest skis out there, soft enough for everyone else, dont tou think you could be the problem? Just saying ?‍♂️ im 170lbs and i can manipulate the flex of my ARV 96's relatively easily. If i got wets or blends i would probably break them.
 
14584572:Vish-shoe said:
The skis you want are Bdog Edgeless
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My friend has a pair and loves them, just cant take them anywhere but the park. I guess you cant do that anyway when you get that soft of a ski lol
 
I can flex my arv 96s pretty easily too

But it still doesn't mean it's a soft ski

14584611:Steezarmada said:
It will feel much softer tho. if wets still are too stiff for you, being one of the softest skis out there, soft enough for everyone else, dont tou think you could be the problem? Just saying ?‍♂️ im 170lbs and i can manipulate the flex of my ARV 96's relatively easily. If i got wets or blends i would probably break them.
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14584668:Misfitmonkey said:
I can flex my arv 96s pretty easily too

But it still doesn't mean it's a soft ski
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Keep missing the point of what im saying. You weigh as much as a middle schooler, you are going to ski like one. I understand that skis do not "become softer" the more you weigh, but trust me, they sure do "feel softer" and you are much more able to treat them like a soft ski. So trust me, bulk up to 155, then buy some wets. Then when you lean backwards (as you described) you will be more likely to fall over because of how soft they are because there is simply more weight shifting toward the back of the ski.

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I also am a fan of truly soft skis. I would say closest thing to my 2020 royales (white with the girls faces on them?) are my J Vacations. But I felt both had a decent break in period needed

Also feel like my 189 wets are pretty stiff, haven’t had enough time on my bdog edgeless to know, do have some arv JJ116UL’s waiting to mount they seem soft
 
14584754:skietedavidson said:
I also am a fan of truly soft skis. I would say closest thing to my 2020 royales (white with the girls faces on them?) are my J Vacations. But I felt both had a decent break in period needed

Also feel like my 189 wets are pretty stiff, haven’t had enough time on my bdog edgeless to know, do have some arv JJ116UL’s waiting to mount they seem soft
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Yes the surface graphic with the faces are the softest skis I have. Think my friend has some old j skis vacations I'll have to test them.
 
topic:Misfitmonkey said:
been looking for a super soft ski that is very rockerd, and is just super fun in the park. Im talking Stupid soft, lean backwards a little and fall over soft. The closest ski i have found so far to this criteria are my 2019 or 2020 surface royales (this is pre redesign. they made um stiffer WHY? and less rockered) I have tried out other skis that people say are super soft ie: vishnus, lines, fatypus/icelantic, 1000 skis, misfits skis, and have not found a ski that is to my liking. Reccomendations would be greatly appreciated, but I know that most likely i am looking for a ski that does not exist, as everyone on here says that vishnus are the softest ski, and they do not even compare to my old surface skis in terms of flex, and are way stiffer than what I would like. Yes I know soft skis break easier, and are bad for all mountain, but my local is microscopic, and I have no real need for a all mountain ski, as I only really ski park, more specifically railsl. Yall probobly gonna say some things like hit the gym or you must not weigh much, which is partially the case (135lbs) but even as a little kid at mabye 100 pounds I could butter my adult model surface skis. I can do butter on stiffer skis ie: my armada Thanos dogs. Im not saying that vishnus or any of the other skis mentioned are stiff, thety are def soft skis, just not soft enough for me. I just want to go back to some stupid soft skis

If yall know of anything like im describing let me know, skis these days gotta loosen up and quit being so stiff
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189 wet
 
14585071:hi_vis360 said:
Skill issue
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I think he is exaggerating, stiff as a 2x4 compared to other similar, maybe? My 189 wets are definitely "stiffer"/more rounded flex than my 186 vacations, 180 royales, 180 bdog e/l. The illusion of wets "being noodles" is so off

Sometimes I jokingly wonder if my wet topsheets were somehow printed on wet plus
 
You need to be looking at new boots. Try a 140 race boot with a booster strap over the shell and a booster strap over the liner and you can butter anything…and break a tib fib real quick
 
14585555:skietedavidson said:
I think he is exaggerating, stiff as a 2x4 compared to other similar, maybe? My 189 wets are definitely "stiffer"/more rounded flex than my 186 vacations, 180 royales, 180 bdog e/l. The illusion of wets "being noodles" is so off

Sometimes I jokingly wonder if my wet topsheets were somehow printed on wet plus
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Wets are stiff underfoot which is probs the difference between them and those other skis. All I know is that I legit can’t properly carve a turn on my 189 wets cause they are so soft that when you lean forward you just butter. If you can’t butter wets you absolutely suck at buttering or have boots that are way too big or something
 
Soothski is a nice little database of measured ski properties. Unfortunately the dataset is biased towards more normie skis, but there are some park skis there from the big brands. Have a poke around if you’re bored.

Here is a graph it generated of the average bending stiffness vs. torsional stiffness (twisting along the length of the ski). Looking at the 22 and 23 chronic you can see how much stiffer the new, beefier version got. They also report the bending stiffness at different parts of the ski as just numbers.

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I mean u gotta break vishnus in, if u ride them for a season they will be to your liking probably.

or just find a set of Wets that are already ridden and a couple seasons old

otherwise the blend is probably valid even tho the durability is ass. They have that certified yogurt hinge technology
 
14586001:CowboySkibop said:
I mean u gotta break vishnus in, if u ride them for a season they will be to your liking probably.

or just find a set of Wets that are already ridden and a couple seasons old

otherwise the blend is probably valid even tho the durability is ass. They have that certified yogurt hinge technology
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I feel like Blend is the only notorious soft ski that hasn't been mentioned

OP, have you tried Blends??
 
14584862:Misfitmonkey said:
stiff as a 2x4 ?
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dont know where in the world you got that idea from, if you really think wets are stiff as a 2x4 then either you have brand new wets or youve never skied them in the first place.
 
14586068:crf741 said:
dont know where in the world you got that idea from, if you really think wets are stiff as a 2x4 then either you have brand new wets or youve never skied them in the first place.
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He says he is 135lbs, that will deff take a lot longer to break in wets esp in 189 length
 
14586135:skietedavidson said:
He says he is 135lbs, that will deff take a lot longer to break in wets esp in 189 length
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im 135 and 5'9 and they took probably 5 days of skiing to break in
 
14586311:crf741 said:
im 135 and 5'9 and they took probably 5 days of skiing to break in
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Curious what topsheet/year? I'm 180 6'4 and I would not consider my wets "broken in" yet still after 15+ days on them. They will still ollie over the moon if I wanted to
 
14586330:skietedavidson said:
Curious what topsheet/year? I'm 180 6'4 and I would not consider my wets "broken in" yet still after 15+ days on them. They will still ollie over the moon if I wanted to
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14586331:skietedavidson said:
Also, why the f are you 135lb 5'9 guys on 189s
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i tried a pair of the limited edition? neon light ones size 183

guy said he had ten plus days on them
 
14586330:skietedavidson said:
Curious what topsheet/year? I'm 180 6'4 and I would not consider my wets "broken in" yet still after 15+ days on them. They will still ollie over the moon if I wanted to
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23-24 gas puddles, i do a lot of nollies and butters so it could just be me idk
 
14586330:skietedavidson said:
Curious what topsheet/year? I'm 180 6'4 and I would not consider my wets "broken in" yet still after 15+ days on them. They will still ollie over the moon if I wanted to
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23-24 gas puddles, i do a lot of nollies and butters so it could just be me idk

(why did this post twice my bad)

**This post was edited on Feb 3rd 2024 at 11:26:08pm
 
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