skier58284
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12962959:onenerdykid said:
Why only medium? I always used to buckle them as tight as they go when not in use. Is there any harm in doing so?
The Official: "What is wrong with my boots?" Thread
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Why only medium? I always used to buckle them as tight as they go when not in use. Is there any harm in doing so?
onenerdykid
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12963825:Sh4dow said:
As just mentioned, no need to overdo it. A medium tension will ensure that things stay wrapped, which is all you really want to achieve. Any tighter is simply unnecessary and could lead to weird issues developing.
skier58284
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12964125:rozboon said:
12964519:onenerdykid said:
Thanks. I take it that it would be ideal to buckle them equally tight for storage as I do when I wear them?
onenerdykid
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12971165:sammymac said:
If your buckles are fully tightened but you are still getting heel lift, it sounds like your boots might be too big for you.
Try this: remove the liner from the shell, (while wearing a thin ski sock) put your foot in the shell, slide your foot to the front so your toes just barely touch, and measure the distance between your heel and the back of the shell. 1cm = high performance fit, 2cm = normal, 3cm = too big.
If you have 3cm or more, then you are in the wrong size boot for sure and any padding that could be added will only sort of work, rather than solve the problem. Report back with how much space you have and we'll go from there.
tomPietrowski
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12971233:sammymac said:
If this is the case, then really its time to start saving for new boots. If the boot is too big then all you can ever hope to do is add material to try and tighten the fit. However it will be a never endeing battle. As your liner packs you will need more and more foam to try and keep them tight.
Your best bet is probably to start again at this point. Research the best boot fitters around you rather then researching boots. Its the job of teh fitter to select the best boot for you, so the best thing you can do is find the best fitter you can.
tomPietrowski
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12971267:sammymac said:
Well maybe you can sell them? What condition are they in? That way you can get a few bucks for them to put towards new boots.
If you really cant get new boots then a boot fitter can add foam to the liner and posibly the boot board to help reduce teh volume. It will help for a short time but will need redoing fairly regularry as teh liner packs in. If you go this route just be aware that it could get quite costly. adding foam could easily run you 20-40 bucks a time and you may need it doing a few times through the season. So think about your options but really the best bet will be to get some boots in the correct size for the start.
tomPietrowski
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12972832:sammymac said:
Well if they are that new and you are getting movment in teh boots they are certainly too big. The liners wont have fully packed in yet so those boots will get bigger still which will obviously make them feel even looser. Who were they fitted for? does the shop offer any sort of fit garentee? Unlikly as they were not fitted for you but may be worth a try. If not then just remember your boots are your most inportant piece of kit. Spend more on them then anything else. You can ski happily on shitty skis but shitty boots will ruin your skiing.
tomPietrowski
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12972883:sammymac said:
Possibly but you will get more for them if they are barly used. If you ski a season in them you will pack the liners out and partly wear down the soles. You would be better off selling now and getting somthing which fits now. Maybe go to a fitter and explain your not looking to buy straight away but you would like to know your size and what shape boots may work. He may even have somthing on sale which may work for you if not you may be able to find somthing second hand which would fit and see you out the season.
gaper_assasin
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Boot bang/ Shin Bang
I ski in Dalbello voodoos, they're a great boot, real comfy, but i get boot bang so easy, even after a couple of days. i know its caused from landing backseat and loose boot buckles. but i still get it with tight boots and clean landings. anyone know how to stop it?
I ski in Dalbello voodoos, they're a great boot, real comfy, but i get boot bang so easy, even after a couple of days. i know its caused from landing backseat and loose boot buckles. but i still get it with tight boots and clean landings. anyone know how to stop it?
onenerdykid
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12975748:gaper_assasin said:
The first thing you need to do is a shell check. I posted the directions of how to do this on this page, a few posts above. Do this and report back to us with your findings.
If your boot ends up being too big (which is one of the main causes of shin bang) then there is not much you can do...
msg
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I'm going to bump this with a question. So I've picked up a pair of boots real cheap (and pretty old, but barely used...i'm on a tight budget) and they felt great around my foot. snug, no pressure points. 10 times better than the boots that got passed onto me which were too big and packed out. It took me putting on a pair that actually fit nicely to realise that the fit was pretty poor in my current boots (think ankle sliding up the boot, having to crank down the buckles, two of which don't even work properly) so I tracked down a better set
the pair are a lange freestyle BT, from the 2007-08 season I think. they fit great! except for one problem, which is that after about 20 or 30 minutes my pinky toes start going dead, then after an hour and a half or more the numbness creeps across to the second toe in the right foot. I haven't been in them longer than this to know if the numbness continues onward and then over the whole foot.
the custom insoles that were in them actually fit my foot very nicely and seem to hold my foot in place very well, and I don't get arch pains if I clip on the skis and flex around in them.
my understanding from reading this thread is that my instep probably isn't compatible with the boots instep, and this is blocking up blood flow from the top of the foot. OR is it that my pinky is being crushed against the side of the boot? There's no pain when they sit in there to begein with, but I do think there is a little bit of squashing. where do you think the problem arises, and is there anything I can do about it?
I'm also worried that I could potentially do permanent damage if I ski on dead feet/toes all day...is this me being paranoid and something I shouldn't be worried about?
they're also probably far too soft for me, but shit happens and I'll only be using them for 5 days.
the pair are a lange freestyle BT, from the 2007-08 season I think. they fit great! except for one problem, which is that after about 20 or 30 minutes my pinky toes start going dead, then after an hour and a half or more the numbness creeps across to the second toe in the right foot. I haven't been in them longer than this to know if the numbness continues onward and then over the whole foot.
the custom insoles that were in them actually fit my foot very nicely and seem to hold my foot in place very well, and I don't get arch pains if I clip on the skis and flex around in them.
my understanding from reading this thread is that my instep probably isn't compatible with the boots instep, and this is blocking up blood flow from the top of the foot. OR is it that my pinky is being crushed against the side of the boot? There's no pain when they sit in there to begein with, but I do think there is a little bit of squashing. where do you think the problem arises, and is there anything I can do about it?
I'm also worried that I could potentially do permanent damage if I ski on dead feet/toes all day...is this me being paranoid and something I shouldn't be worried about?
they're also probably far too soft for me, but shit happens and I'll only be using them for 5 days.
onenerdykid
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13046517:ayylmao said:
For starters, what I would do is double check the shell fit (there are a couple of explanations of how to do that in here) and let us know how much space is behind your heel (1cm, 2cm or 3cm)
As for the footbeds that are currently in there, I really don't think it is a good idea to use someone else's footbeds, especially if they are truly molded to that other person's feet. If they are trim-to-fits, then there is a possibility they could work for you. But, I would invest into something that works specifically for you. Once you do that, they will work in this boot and your next boot, and probably your next boot after that.
Lastly, I would say there is an 80% chance that the numbness you feel is related to the shell causing pressure on the outside of your foot. Langes from that era tended to be a little tight on the lateral portion of the last and needed some grinding/stretching to fit the majority of feet. However, you should only have grinding/stretching done once you have made sure you are on the proper foundation, meaning your footbed is works specifically for you. Chances are, the proper footbed will solve some (if not all) of your numbness issues.
shin-bang
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ok so i was in a size 28.5 and i should have been in a 26.5 or a 27 so i took shoe footbeds and cut out pieces of a card board box and placed them in the sole and around the toe box. this seemed to help for me but isnt a permanent solution. ps. im buying full tilts this next season lol
onenerdykid
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mid-summer bump
tomPietrowski
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just get this back up again incase people have not seen it
onenerdykid
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13069111:Double_Rainbow said:
Pretty sure their website should let you know what is included. Worst case scenario, your local shop can get a hold of them and find out.
Lemuel
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I'm currently skiing a 27.5 Full Tilt (classic shell). They fit great and I love just about everything about them except they are so stupidly soft. I'm toying with the idea of getting new boots this season because I have over 150 days on them (3 seasons) and they are a bit sloppy. I have a few friends that size down to get a more performance fit. I'm thinking I should do the same. I work at a shop in the winter so I have all the tools to fiddle around with them. I also know how stupid it is to buy boots online, but the Overload 120 is on sale for such a good price.
I just did a shell fit on my FT's and there is at least 2 cm behind my heel (can almost get 2 fingers back there depth wise). I think my foot is shrinking because I skied a 28.5 Rampage for 4 years before the FT's and they were awesome as well.
We had the waymaker 90 in my shop last season and that boot fit very well, but way too soft. From what I can gather the Overload 120 has a similar last? I should probably be smart and wait to try boots on in my shop come November.
I just did a shell fit on my FT's and there is at least 2 cm behind my heel (can almost get 2 fingers back there depth wise). I think my foot is shrinking because I skied a 28.5 Rampage for 4 years before the FT's and they were awesome as well.
We had the waymaker 90 in my shop last season and that boot fit very well, but way too soft. From what I can gather the Overload 120 has a similar last? I should probably be smart and wait to try boots on in my shop come November.
onenerdykid
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13100858:Lemuel said:
If you were thinking the Classic is too soft, the Overload 120 will (most likely) not be too soft for you. But if it does end up being a bit stiff for you, it can be softened to a true 110 with our Flip Chip on the back of the boot.
The last of the Overload uses exactly the same lower last as the Waymaker, but with a completely different cuff which is one of the tallest on the market. So, since you have already had the Waymaker on, the Overload will feel the same in the lower shell but with more support in the cuff. The liner will also be more supportive and customizable than the 90 level you tried on.
tomPietrowski
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13100941:onenerdykid said:
Also just to add I found that length wise although the clog is the same the overlord did feel a little shorter to me then the waymaker. It's because the waymaker has more forward lean. So if you are not sure on length the overlird may giv the sense of a smaller fit.
With reagrds to length. Do a couple of things. Firstly do a true unweighted measurement. Sit and rest your foot on the measurer. Ideally don't use a branoc. I don't like those things really. See if you can find the older wooden salomon ones those are great. Next what footbed do you have te option of? If it's super feet or surefoot you can't go much. But if you have sidas or boot dr an have a good fitter you can keep your foot pretty much at the unweighted size. I don't recomend goubg below your unweighted size as there is usually no need but it's getting the footbed right which will allow you to wear your "correct" size.
Lemuel
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13101040:tomPietrowski said:
Thanks for the replies, I know the two of you are the best sources of info on boots. The options at my shop for footbeds are, of course, surefoot and superfeet. We do have a great fitter at my shop though and he can definitely alleviate any issues if they were to arrive. I'm definitely thinking about purchasing them now.
.MASSHOLE.
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Here is a question for Tom and Nerdykid:
I purchased a pair of Tecnica Cochise Pro Lites last season, PW liners for daily driver liners and kept the Palau for any sort of longer tours. I had both fit with a Superfeet footbeds. Unfortunately, I cannot buckle my lower buckles with these footbeds in without my foot numbing over the 1st? Cuneiform. However, I can ski without a footbed with no problem. Now, we know this now introduces another issue as I have no arch support. If I were to go to a bootfitter, would they be able to make me a custom footbed that still supports my arch but does not raise my foot as high as the Superfeet?
I purchased a pair of Tecnica Cochise Pro Lites last season, PW liners for daily driver liners and kept the Palau for any sort of longer tours. I had both fit with a Superfeet footbeds. Unfortunately, I cannot buckle my lower buckles with these footbeds in without my foot numbing over the 1st? Cuneiform. However, I can ski without a footbed with no problem. Now, we know this now introduces another issue as I have no arch support. If I were to go to a bootfitter, would they be able to make me a custom footbed that still supports my arch but does not raise my foot as high as the Superfeet?
tomPietrowski
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13102723:.MASSHOLE. said:
The issue I believe is coming from the way the footbed is suporting your foot. Surefoot like superfeet only stabilize the rear foot. Because of this it can cause the mid and forefoot to still be unstable. Your foot is probably pronating still causing the mid foot to numb. Tho could be due to the nerves in that area bein compressed. When you take the boots off does th feeling return quickly or can it stay numb for a while. If it returns quickly it is a blood circulation issue if it takes some time it's a nerve. Either way if the foot is going numb it needs repostioning or space created. A sidas footbed may help align your foot better however you woul need to check there is space in the instep. The technica is quite high though so hopefully it will work but a fitter can asses this. The main things will be getting the foot stable and then ensuring there is room in the shell and also ensure the liner is not too tight but hopefully that will not be an issue. Let me know if you have any questions.
onenerdykid
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13113849:steezysprayer said:
If your boot fits you well and is the appropriate flex for your needs (meaning suitable for your weight and ankle flexibilty), then you should not have any issues skiing with it in pow.
However, if your boot is too soft for you and/or the fit is not precise, then you will notice more slop and you needing to work harder to get the ski to react as a result.
Lemuel
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Just got my Overload 120's (27.5) and they fit like a damn dream. So stoked to finally get back into a performance boot that won't fold to the ground. Cuff height is absolutely perfect. Heel stays planted no mater how hard I flex forward. Teeny bit of pressure on my big toes, but that will disappear after the liners wear in a bit. Very snug for a wider last. On my FT's one boot felt super sloppy at all times while the other was perfect (1/2 size different in feet), while these feel great. Replaceable soles are an extra plus too. Boot snugs up very nicely for a 2 buckle. Thank you again Onenerdy and Tom for the advice!
onenerdykid
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13116148:Lemuel said:
Awesome stuff! Glad you're stoked!
PDoyle
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onenerdykid! My Nordica Sportmachine 90 boots are still fitting really well but after 2 years use they're getting worn down, is there anything I can do to keep them going for as long as possible? I was planning on fixing new heel and toe pieces, would you recommend that?
Attached an album of photos of them
http://imgur.com/a/mrfrQ
Am going to order the replacement pieces from here if it's worthwhile
http://www.skiequipmentuk.co.uk/shop/products/Nordica_GTS_Sportmachine_Heels_and_Toes.htm
Attached an album of photos of them
http://imgur.com/a/mrfrQ
Am going to order the replacement pieces from here if it's worthwhile
http://www.skiequipmentuk.co.uk/shop/products/Nordica_GTS_Sportmachine_Heels_and_Toes.htm
tomPietrowski
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^ unfortunately it looks like you have left it too long to replace the heel and toe. Once you wear through the part that can be replaced you get to the shell it's self. If you wear this out there is very little you can do. Unfortunately it is probably time for new boots. I always recomend replacing heel and toe pieces when they get to within 5mm of the shell.
onenerdykid
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Like Tom said, your boots look pretty shot unfortunately. Furthermore, the only way you will know for sure is to buy new grip pads and then have your local shop check the heel and toe height with their boot norm tool.
There is for sure a chance that even after you buy new pads that they could still fail the boot norm test. But it's just one of those things that needs to be checked in order to be verified.
With your next pair of boots, definitely replace your grip pads sooner just so you don't begin to wear down the actual shell.
There is for sure a chance that even after you buy new pads that they could still fail the boot norm test. But it's just one of those things that needs to be checked in order to be verified.
With your next pair of boots, definitely replace your grip pads sooner just so you don't begin to wear down the actual shell.
onenerdykid
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Bump for new gear showing up and people looking to ask questions
neutralzombie
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i've been trying to find boots for a really long time, and even the ones i have felt fine when i got them, but i really hate them. to a point where i can't live apres ski in boots and have to take breaks in between runs. my feet go numb and sometimes getting the feeling back is painful if i leave them on too long. which i know is a bad thing, and i've read about potentials of fucking up my nerves. i can't tell you how many pairs i've tried to find a good fitting boot. i'm short, and i guess have wider feet, so i never looked into men's boots, and i find a lot of women's boots too narrow. mainly i'm wondering what's causing this problem, and i've been told to see a boot fitter, which seems the obvious answer to my problem, and investing into something... but my battle with ski boots sucks.
onenerdykid
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13146988:neutralzombie said:
When companies make women's boots, 99.9% of the time the lower shell is the same as the guy version. Companies change the liner and cuff geometry. The good news about this is that you should be able to find boots in almost every possible width, which means you should be looking into boots from the 102mm/104mm categories.
What boots have you tried? What have you owned? Did you ever get proper footbeds made for them?
onenerdykid
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^that should always be prefaced with for sure you need to see a boot-fitter. Without someone being able to look at your feet, ankles, leg shape, range of motion, you will really be guessing. This for sure, 100% needs to be step #1 for you.
neutralzombie
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13147077:onenerdykid said:
i've heard a lot about getting custom liners too. i have atomic boots, but i can't remember which model, and i also used to rent atomic during my first season switch from snowboarding to skiing, and have tried nordica which the fit i liked best, though never purchased or tried out, gave up on lange and salomon, finding them too narrow, but have also tried dalbello and technica, which i liked less, and probably something else i'm forgetting. i looked more towards all mountain boots, don't really see myself needing full tilts. concessions have always been relative to price range too, but now i think it's a good time to get something that won't feel like it's hindering me.
onenerdykid
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13147149:neutralzombie said:
The right boot will do wonders for your skiing (honestly, you won't even believe how you managed to ski before without them). This is why you should invest the time/drive to find a reputable boot-fitter in your area. If you tell us what area you are in, we could probably even help narrow the search down for you.
A boot-fitter is important because he/she will select the appropriate boot based on your foot shape, ankle flexibility, weight, previous experiences, and party based on what you would like to be doing with said boot. In addition, you should invest into proper, custom footbeds- you will not be able to have a truly well fitting boot without these. They are necessary for making the proper interface between your flexible foot and the rigid ski boot your foot is stuffed into.
As far as boot brands go, each brand makes a multitude of different fits. For example, here at Atomic, we have 95mm (super narrow), 98mm (narrow), 100 (medium) 101 (medium wide), 102 (wide) and every brand follows suit (with sometimes even more options). So to say that you don't fit well with brand X or brand Y, it's almost impossible to claim as there is no single fit associated with any brand these days. You might very hate one Atomic boot, but absolutely love another.
The boot-fitter will work with you to sort through all of the options and find the right match for your subjective biomechanical needs. Because there are so many factors in selecting the right boot, without someone there to assess your needs who also has a good selection of boots, it is pretty much near impossible to do on your own. Just go in with an open mind (meaning no brands or models "pre-selected") and see what works best for you.
neutralzombie
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13147240:onenerdykid said:
yeah i was working more with what was available on the market in my area. i was told to see this guy up at tremblant at a specific shop that the name slips my mind, because "he's the best." that being said i never had a chance because i would only be up on days i could ride with my old job that didn''t make it very easy to have another day freed up to see him. otherwise i live in montreal, but don't drive so that's also a problem.
onenerdykid
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13147275:neutralzombie said:
There are a couple good shops up near Tremblant, but I would make the journey south if you can and go see Ryan at the Skirack in Burlington Vermont. Not having a car makes it a bit tricky for sure, but if you can get there, he and/or the boot-fitting team he has will for sure get you taken care of, no question whatsoever. They fit some of the best skiers in the world and there is no extra charge for the fitting services they provide.
neutralzombie
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13147491:onenerdykid said:
cool, thanks a lot for you help!
suup
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12772992:DIPED_IN_SAUCE said:SPK question: last season I blew a buckle on my SPK's. specifically, the sort of Y shaped bracket that holds the buckle hooks on broke. (see picture) Solomon has excellent customer service and they replaced the boots, but this now means I have an extra pair. anyone had this problem and fixed it? Perhaps made a new bracket out of fibreglass or something like that?
sorry this isn't fit specific.
I had the same problem with mine, did you just email salomon? I have no reciepts or anything
AntEater
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I had some dalbello krypton fusion's fitted last year and ended up buying them as they felt great. Only problem was when I went out skiing I would get intense pain in the insteps of both my feet. My boots are definitely not buckled too tight, as I have them on the lowest, or second lowest buckle. Often I have to take a trip into the lodge and take them off and massage my feet because they hurt so bad. Do you think I could solve this with a different, thinner liner? Or are my insteps too high for those boots? Any help would be appreciated.