will_powder
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13237470:greene said:
I rode a pair of bolted boots for a season, they were much better stiffness wise!
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I rode a pair of bolted boots for a season, they were much better stiffness wise!
onenerdykid
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13237470:greene said:
13237497:tomPietrowski said:
With the Hawx series of boots, the cuff is already fixed to the shell- there is a male end on the back of the shell that integrates into a female end on the bottom-rear of the cuff (if your boot is transparent you will see it). So, if you add a bolt or two it won't really change things all that much, maybe 5% at the most. But it won't hurt anything either. I just wouldn't expect to feel a huge difference since the cuff is not moving anyway, just the durometer of the plastic is controlling the flex, which is too soft for you.
.MASSHOLE.
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13244902:greene said:
If you can make it to MA, Ski Stop. Maybe try Alpine Haus in CT?
onenerdykid
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13244902:greene said:
Unfortunately I don't... more shops in MA come to mind. How far are you willing to drive? Better yet, where do you go skiing? Perhaps there is a good shop near the mountain you go to.
EvanMeyer
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12735549:CaptainCoke said:
I work in a shop and fit full tilts everyday first off dont buy them they are trash. full tilt shells run in 3 sizes so that means your 28.5 is a 29.5 so no cranking down your buckles wont help, if anything get some kind of padded foam to fill out your toe box.
tfbradley23
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So I've recently purchased a pair of pinnacle 130's and love the the boot but have had a large issue with a large bone spur on the top of my foot. Its right under the middle buckle on my right boot I'm wondering what are the different ways to free up space in that area. I've been to a decent boot fitter and I'm just trying to fund out what can be done. Thanks for you help!
tomPietrowski
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13249421:tfbradley23 said:
There are a few ways you could try to help it. you will want to ensure your foot is not moving around in the shell so you will want good custom footbeds. Once you know the foot is secure you can have the younger modified to give more space to the problem area. Often tounges these days have an oval shape cut out for this problem already but I can't remember if the pinnacle does. Regardless you can have plastic cut away and foam removed to give more space to the problem area. This usually works pretty well. You can't really punch a spot on the instep so hopefully by providing space that should do th trick.
Krotchs_Brother
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Anyone ever experience any problems with bowlegs fitting in boots? I feel like because my legs look like fuckin hyperbolas the boots dont fit right. I feel pressure on the outer part of my shin, tibialis anterior to be exact. Im pretty sure it's because the boots (obviously) dont curve like my shins do.
onenerdykid
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13249530:Grilled.Steeze said:
First things first- always make sure your footbed is properly supporting you and therefore positioning your ankle, knees, legs in proper alignment. If your footbed's alignment is off, then it will not allow you to take the next steps.
Second step- adjust your cuff (provided your boot has lateral cuff alignment, often inaccurately referred to as "canting"). The cuff should be able to be adjusted in a way that allows your leg to sit neutrally, meaning equal distance from the inside of your calf muscle to the inside of the cuff and then equal distance from the outside of your calf muscle to the outside of the cuff.
To do this, remove your liner from the shell and remove your footbed from the liner. Place your footbed in the shell and stand on top of the footbed. From there you will notice which side of the cuff (perhaps both) need adjusting so that there is equal space on each side of your calf. Adjust the cuff alignment accordingly to achieve that, retighten things, and you should be good to go.
If you can achieve both of those things, then your legs should stop hurting.
Krotchs_Brother
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13249573:onenerdykid said:
Awesome man thanks a lot!
onenerdykid
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13250581:greene said:
There are for sure more, but these are just some that come to mind: Ski Stop in Westwood, MA ; The Boot Pro in Ludlow VT; Skirack in Burlington VT; Inner Boot Works in Stowe VT, Race Stock Sports in Waterbury VT... No one is perfect, but all of these shops do an amazing job of listening and properly solving problems.
SKI.ING
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Not quite a boot question, but TomP and Onenerdy, I just fractured my pinky toe and I'll be in a boot for a bit. I'll be listening to the health professionals, but was wondering if you had any tips on when and how I'll be able to cram this thing back in a ski boot? And will I notice a big change in fit of my boot?
tomPietrowski
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13257785:SKI.ING said:
How badly have you brocken it? Really once it's heeled you should not really have any issues. So long as you have a decent fit and your foot is not slidin inside the boot you should be good. Just ensure you have adaquate space for the toes which can be checked by having a shell check done.
Krotchs_Brother
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13249573:onenerdykid said:
Could you explain exactly how the cuff alignment works? I have the B&E Full Tilts, Im wondering how I actually adjust the cuff alignment. I see the screw labeled "cant system" but I dont understand what Im supposed to do with this.. Sorry if this sounds retarded..
onenerdykid
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13259191:Grilled.Steeze said:
If I remember correctly, when you unscrew/loosen the hinge cap on the lateral (outside) side, it can be rotated clockwise or counterclockwise (depending which way you need it to go) and this will change the angle of the cuff. If you take the cap completely off, you should see that the part of the cap that interfaces with the cuff & shell is offset (excenter). As you rotate the cap, the excenter will push the cuff in one direction or another, depending on how you rotate the cap.
I think the medial (inside) side operates a different way, one that uses a flip chip set up but I forget.
Either way, you should be able to position the cuff using these adjustments so that the cuff sits equally spaced around your calf. Obviously, this is hard to do by yourself since you need to be in the boot, and ideally someone else (the boot-fitter) is making the adjustments on the boot.
Krotchs_Brother
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13259468:onenerdykid said:
Thanks dude! My old man helped me out and it honestly makes a world of difference.. They fit 10x better. Thanks again!
brian.keehn055
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12733702:Heshin said:
Boot is probably a tad big - but that's depending on how far you are coming out when you nollie. In a perfect world, your heal shouldn't move at all. It's also tough buying boots because we think we should buy the same size we wear our shoes in. That's not the case though. I wear a 9.5 shoe and a 26.5 boot (8.5). The best way to fit yourself is to remove the liner, slip it on, and make sure your toes are right at the end. Literally, touching the tip of the liner. This does not feel natural, because it's not how we wear sneaks. But once you get into the boot and start skiing, you'll notice that as you lean forwards (natural skiing form) you'll slide further into the heal cup, securing you into the boot, and keeping you safe and secure. I'm in the Salomon Quest Max 130 @26.5 and haven't had any movement at all in the heal. My point - it's doable.
onenerdykid
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13257785:SKI.ING said:
Typically, toes don't get casted up or anything like that. So depending on how badly you broke your toe, you should be able to ski fine... it's just a matter of being able to get in that might cause you a bit of pain.
I broke my 3 outer toes once and could ski even though walking sucked. What did your doctor say?
JibbaTheHutt
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My girlfriend has bought new boots for this season, they're the first set she has owned (always been in rentals). She bought the haws 90w, I'm happy that as a shell they suit her feet, she has a medium to wide last, medium ankle and quite a high volume foot. We had custom sidas footbeds made and I'm happy that they were one correctly, we also did a small grind on the footboard to free up a little more volume in the boot.
She hasn't skied that much in them yet, only 3 days, but she says every time she has had intense aching on the lower calf that pushes her to the point of tears. She is a reasonable skier, happy to ski all reds and sometimes blacks, and she is a medium build, so i don't think the boot is too stiff for her. This pain tends to dissipate after roughly an hour of skiing, but at this point she sometimes doesn't even want to ski because of the pain. She says she has had this in every pair of ski boots she has ever worn, she's always just tried to ski through it but its really put her off skiing which sucks.
is it possible that the boots are just bedding in, surely there shouldn't be intense aching during bedding in.
i haven't touched any of the calf adjustment, is it worth looking t adjusting this? she has medium ankle flexion.
She hasn't skied that much in them yet, only 3 days, but she says every time she has had intense aching on the lower calf that pushes her to the point of tears. She is a reasonable skier, happy to ski all reds and sometimes blacks, and she is a medium build, so i don't think the boot is too stiff for her. This pain tends to dissipate after roughly an hour of skiing, but at this point she sometimes doesn't even want to ski because of the pain. She says she has had this in every pair of ski boots she has ever worn, she's always just tried to ski through it but its really put her off skiing which sucks.
is it possible that the boots are just bedding in, surely there shouldn't be intense aching during bedding in.
i haven't touched any of the calf adjustment, is it worth looking t adjusting this? she has medium ankle flexion.
JibbaTheHutt
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My girlfriend has bought new boots for this season, they're the first set she has owned (always been in rentals). She bought the haws 90w, I'm happy that as a shell they suit her feet, she has a medium to wide last, medium ankle and quite a high volume foot. We had custom sidas footbeds made and I'm happy that they were one correctly, we also did a small grind on the footboard to free up a little more volume in the boot.
She hasn't skied that much in them yet, only 3 days, but she says every time she has had intense aching on the lower calf that pushes her to the point of tears. She is a reasonable skier, happy to ski all reds and sometimes blacks, and she is a medium build, so i don't think the boot is too stiff for her. This pain tends to dissipate after roughly an hour of skiing, but at this point she sometimes doesn't even want to ski because of the pain. She says she has had this in every pair of ski boots she has ever worn, she's always just tried to ski through it but its really put her off skiing which sucks.
is it possible that the boots are just bedding in, surely there shouldn't be intense aching during bedding in.
i haven't touched any of the calf adjustment, is it worth looking t adjusting this? she has medium ankle flexion.
She hasn't skied that much in them yet, only 3 days, but she says every time she has had intense aching on the lower calf that pushes her to the point of tears. She is a reasonable skier, happy to ski all reds and sometimes blacks, and she is a medium build, so i don't think the boot is too stiff for her. This pain tends to dissipate after roughly an hour of skiing, but at this point she sometimes doesn't even want to ski because of the pain. She says she has had this in every pair of ski boots she has ever worn, she's always just tried to ski through it but its really put her off skiing which sucks.
is it possible that the boots are just bedding in, surely there shouldn't be intense aching during bedding in.
i haven't touched any of the calf adjustment, is it worth looking t adjusting this? she has medium ankle flexion.
avenue
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I was planning on buying these boots off a friend so he let me try them out for the day. After about a half hour I felt a burning feeling in both legs/feet but continued on. About an hour after that the pain became much more severe and was very hard for me to continue. After I took them off my ankles were in extreme pain and I couldnt even walk. Was this because the boots were heat molded to his feet or the boot itself. Im getting these for a steal so I really want to figure this out. Will reheatmolding them solve my problem? They're in my size and have a good fit but using them for a decent amount of time has became a problem. Im really hoping that getting them reheatmolded will fix this problem please give me some advice. Thanks
onenerdykid
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13264170:JibbaTheHutt said:
Her problem sounds like a couple of things. For starters, is this the new Hawx 2.0 or the older 1.0 (the old one has black "gills" on the sides of the feet, the new 2.0 will not). If she does have the new Hawx 2.0 90W, then it also has Memory Fit which allows the shell to be placed in a special boot-fitter oven and be formed to her foot & leg shape. This will help a lot if it has not already been done.
Secondly, new boots will take some time to brake in, so for the first 5-10 days it might be not pleasant. However, if she wears the boots around the apartment/house for 20 minutes at a time, it will really help a lot.
And thirdly, it sounds like your girlfriend has either rather larges calves or she is standing too upright/leaning back in the boot. The volume adjuster on all Hawx W boots is in the lowest, most open position and the forward lean is a moderate 15°. The plastic cuff can be heated and stretched for even more volume if needed (but it will require a better-than-average fitter to do that).
onenerdykid
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13264188:avenue said:
If you didn't have a trained boot-fitter assess the shell and make sure it is a good match to your foot & leg, then this boot is probably not going to work for you. And honestly, it doesn't sound like they do. Sure it might be a good deal, but if the fit is wrong for you then you will be in that kind of pain all season long and no deal is worth that.
What you can do is take them into your local shop and ask for a fit consultation. They will charge you a small fee and at least size you and do a shell check. Then you will know for sure.
JibbaTheHutt
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13264265:onenerdykid said:
she's in the hawx 2.0, the shell check was right, we didn't mold the shell, so maybe that will help, she found her feet were starting to go numb today, potentially something to do with not enough volume in the boot?
onenerdykid
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13264280:JibbaTheHutt said:
The nice thing about Memory Fit is that is not just the shell, but cuff & liner as well. I think if you do that, it will help a lot.
But honestly, it's hard/impossible to say with certainty without seeing the foot in the shell. Numb toes are a totally normal thing in a brand new boot that has not been through the heat molding process. It could very well be a break-in issue, a Memory Fit needing to be done, combined with how she stands while skiing.
It sounds like the boot is the right size, a good footbed was made, but going through the Memory Fit process (even with some extra foam pads put on to enlarge the calf area) could help her a lot. From there it's making sure she is skiing in the proper position, which will also help blood flow to her toes.
JibbaTheHutt
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i suppose the fact that she's had a similar pain in all previous boots points towards an issue with technique? might just have to take a few days working really heavily on technique and hope thats it, I'm just a little worried that this problem will persist and she isn't going to want to go skiing.
onenerdykid
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13264347:JibbaTheHutt said:
This could very well be the case. It does happen from time to time that the boot and the boot-fit are spot on, but poor technique can lead to fit issues. With the amazing instructors that are in Mayrhofen, a 1-day private lesson will do wonders for her technique and at the very least improve her skiing.
s-hand
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My boots fit spectacularly in every regard except that I always get significant pain on my inner ankle bones after about 3 hour of wearing them. I have pronating ankles, which i assume causes that bone to push up against the shell of the boot. I have Sidas drop-in footbeds and a pretty significant heel wedge on the inside of the heels (to rotate my foot to a more neutral position). Both of these were recommended by a local bootfitter. Is there anything else I can add/do to reduce the pressure I am feeling? Thanks!
Stose
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I bought a pair of full tilt b and e pro models last week. The shop heated them to my feet. They were fitting with the buckles sitting about half way between the smallest and largest they can be adjusted too. Fast forward two days, I get to my local hill, and even with the boots adjusted as lose as possible they are so insanely right it's painful to ski, and I could barely get the buckled. I think that when they were getting heat molded that they didn't have me leave my foot in long enough and so the boot shrank. Or is it possible something else is gojng wrong?
tomPietrowski
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13265194:s-hand said:
Proper custom footbeds will be the first place to sTart. Trim to fits very rarely work effectively. I would start by getting some good customs which can better hold you close to neutral. From there you could have te shell blown out to give extra space if needed but don't do any stretching until you have the foot locked down inside.
tomPietrowski
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13265957:Stose said:
To be honest it just sounds like a new boot in the correct size. Did they pad your feet at all when they moulded the liner? Did you get any footbeds? If you answer no to either of those questions that may help but without seein the shell fit it hard to give. Any meaningful advice.
onenerdykid
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13265957:Stose said:
Did you pick these boots out because you wanted them, or did a boot-fitter say this was the best boot for your foot shape?
As Tom said, without properly molding the liners and/or without proper footbeds, you could be in the right boot and still have pain like you are describing. Come back to us with more details and we'll try to help.
radish
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I was fitted to some full tilts last year, and I'm finding that they do not hold my heel and ankle in place like they should. When I flex super far forward, my heel slips up, and when I land back seat, the boot puts pressure on my lower shin causing shin bang. I got footbeds, and even shorter cables for the upper two buckles, but the problem persists. I think I need a super low volume boot with a narrow last and the most intense heel hold there is. I will be buying this from a fitter, but there are several shops near me that all carry different boots, so if I can get a brand recommendation, ill start there.
TL;DR super low volume, narrow boot that will hold my womanly ankles in place?
TL;DR super low volume, narrow boot that will hold my womanly ankles in place?
rtl32
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13272883:radish said:
If you don't mind race boots I feel like that realm would open up a lot of options for you, Lange, Atomic, Technica, etc.
You could go with a rossi or fischer boot and get the vaccum fit. I have mad wide toes and a skinny ass heel, with a wide ankle and that did the trick flawlessly with me when no other boot would.
radish
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13272905:rtl32 said:
Thats kinda what I am thinking. I like really stiff boots too, I have the 10 flex tongue in my full tilts and it almost is on the soft side.
A guy in one of the shops said the lange rs 130, or one of the stiffer Rossi boots might work.
Thanks for the response! Still open to suggestions tho!
.MASSHOLE.
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13272938:radish said:
Check out "all mountain" race boots which are basically the same as race boots except they will have rubberized boot boards and such to make it all mountain friendly. Look at the Nordica Patron Pro, Atomic Redster Pro (OneNerdyKid will know more about it), and Lange RX/RS 130. Other stiffer options include Salomon Ghost 130, X PRO 130, X MAX 130, and Rossi Pursuit Sensor3 130.
onenerdykid
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13272883:radish said:
I honestly would not get fixated on a brand- this is a sure way to end up in the wrong boot.
Every major boot brand makes super narrow, low volume boots. Sometimes it is even the same boot between brands (Tecnica/Nordica and Lange/Rossi share lasts & molds with their race products). The point is, there are tons of great options in the 98mm (or narrower) world. Just make sure you go to a shop that is known for properly fitting them. Don't expect these boots to feel like slippers at first. It will probably take some stretching & grinding, but it will definitely become very comfortable when done by the proper boot-fitter.
onenerdykid
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Cue the "I just got boots for Christmas and they hurt my feet for some reason" threads.
Please read through this thread or put your questions here. The boot elves are here to help.
Please read through this thread or put your questions here. The boot elves are here to help.
onenerdykid
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13281046:ABalls said:
For starters, are your boots the right size? You can check this by removing your liner, putting your foot in the shell, sliding your foot to the front of the shell, and measuring the distance behind your heel. 1cm is high performance fit, 2cm is normal, 3cm is too big.
If you have a 1cm or 2cm fit, do you have footbeds? Footbeds are super crucial for supporting your foot and keeping it from moving around. For example, if the transverse arch collapses, your foot will shift laterally and cause your heel to lift. Footbeds at least stop this from happening.
If you have both of these two boxes checked, how stiff or soft are your boots? Especially in comparison to your ankle range of motion? If you have a limited range of ankle mobility and a boot that is too soft for you, then you will always get heel lift on hard switch landings. Standing barefoot on the floor flex forward at your ankles as far as you can before your heel starts to lift. If you can't get your knee past your toes without lifting your heels then you have a super limited range of motion. If you also have a softer flexing boot, it will lead to heel lift.
tomPietrowski
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13281366:ABalls said:
Quite simply yes. I honestly don't think you can get a good fit without using a custom footbed.
onenerdykid
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13281451:tomPietrowski said:
I second this opinion.
onenerdykid
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13286689:s-hand said:
Proper arch support is like the foundation of your house in that it goes under your foot. There are different strategies/theories as to which way is best, for example doing it weighted (standing) or unweighted (sitting) but they all try to reposition your foot for skiing.
The human foot has evolved for walking, not for being stuffed into a plastic cast. Your foot is a flexible structure and will therefore twist and turn inside the boot unless a proper interface (a footbed) is in place. In a ski boot you want to control and minimize movement (pronation/supination) and stop the foot from moving inside the boot. This is why a skiing footbed is different from a running footbed which allows more pronation to happen.
A custom footbed uses your foot's natural contours and the fitter positions each foot according to its own needs that are ideal for skiing. When properly done, they do not make your foot do unnatural things, they just prevent too much movement from happening.
drumbumocdp
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13287047:onenerdykid said:
Have you ever delt with a Surefoot custom footbed? I have mine and love it, just wondering if you know of any other companies doing a good job with the costom boot work.
M.M
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so last year i got fitted for full tilts and used trim to fit foot beds and they fit perfectly, my foot didnt move around and had no shin bang untill about 3/4 of the season, when my foot grew and my boots no longer were fitting very well.
so this season i got fitted for nordica tj's with trim to fit foot beds which have always fit my foot very well in boots and skates and custom foot beds are to expensive for me now.
the fit is not the concern though, they are the best fitting boots ive ever had, no movement, no pressure points, no problems other than after hard riding for about 4 days i get bad shin bang. the only thing i can think of is that they are to stiff for me at 5'11 165. but i need the stiffness for skiing as i am a very aggressive and experienced skier in and out of the park.
i didnt have any shinbang problems with my FT's and they were a 6 flex which i was gonna bump up to an 8 but i ended up getting the nordicas.
what do you think it is?
so this season i got fitted for nordica tj's with trim to fit foot beds which have always fit my foot very well in boots and skates and custom foot beds are to expensive for me now.
the fit is not the concern though, they are the best fitting boots ive ever had, no movement, no pressure points, no problems other than after hard riding for about 4 days i get bad shin bang. the only thing i can think of is that they are to stiff for me at 5'11 165. but i need the stiffness for skiing as i am a very aggressive and experienced skier in and out of the park.
i didnt have any shinbang problems with my FT's and they were a 6 flex which i was gonna bump up to an 8 but i ended up getting the nordicas.
what do you think it is?