The money symbols - We gotta sort this shit out.

What about this:

switch all the symbols from the online list to the profiles.

No symbols on the online list, sort alphabetically by colour for convience (red, greem, oj, blue/pink).

That way we can add new symbols for the Store purchasers and it wont clog up the online list with more icons.
 
Haha, I'm sorry, but this is pretty silly. I understand being proud of donating to NS back in the day, and you should be! You did a great thing. But now you're being selfish, because you don't want to share your icons with the rest of NS, because they're noobs to supporting? Just get rid of it all. Put "Original Donator" in the profile. I agree with the red, green and orange at top, the rest alphabetical.
 
as a fellow non-donator( currently as of right now) comrade, i feel this would also work best and agree with it to the fullest extent, no but seriously this has been the best idea IMHO,
 
I agree with stowebum (sp.?)...Keep all the symbols. In profiles put contributor (orignal donor or whatever) and then for the people who bought from the store...Investor or what ever that may entail.

Then at the top of the list I would suggest all the important people be listed by color. RED-->GREEN-->ORANGE...Then people with money signs...YAY

WOO HOO
 
coins for OG's

cash-money symbols for store people

ORR!!!!!!!!!!!!!

just have everyone pay a $25 a month fee for us using this beautiful site

which one do you like???
 
leave it the way it is, (aka option 2) however if the original donators (mad props to them) want to have a tiered system, fair call, they helped forge the site so they should have a say in what happens to it...
 
I vote that you make new symbols for the new contributers and let us keep ours. Look if you make the new ones cooler, like rasta and other things, everyone would want those and wouldnt care about the old ones. If someone wanted the old ones, you could just explain those were given out to the people that gave to NS when it was young and its part of the history...you cant get those symbols now, but you can get this sick rasta peacock symbol or something like that. I really cant see many people complaining they cant get an old contributer money sign.

 
In my opinion, if you donated (whether it was back in the old days or just now) you shouldn't care if you got a symbol. Thats the wrong reason to donate. It would eliminate this entire problem to simply eliminate the symbol system...

Maybe a little karma boost could be a good token of appreciation.

 
I like the third. Separate symbols for store investing, and it should take a buncha purchases get donator access to say the forum and better "bling". THen allow donations as well. if people are willing to throw skrilla at you why not.
 
i think that it should be a different icon for the store buyers, but it really shouldn't matter what your symbol looks like. Being someone without a symbol and who has not donated, I guess there may be a little bias towards getting an "OG" donation symbol even though I am not an "OG" donator. That being said, separate are completely reasonable and as giving money straight up with nothing in return and buying something in support are still two different things with the same end result for the site. If people are complaining about not getting an "OG", or the "OG" donators complaining about store purchases getting an "OG" symbol, it goes to show that donating has changed from giving money to this great site for improvements, to giving money so you can be apart of an exclusive group. The symbols aren't meant to create an exclusive status for those who have donated, they are to give recognition to the people who have donated.
 
this is probably going to be considered taboo but this is a post I made on may 25 in the donators forum. Obviously some things have changed since then like disregard the last paragraph and IK3 which really doesn't imply here, and my name magically got changed back to coinage but here we go.

I can't wait until everyone has little dollar signs beside there name.

Then when everyone can be considered exclusive we can all be happy. I

know for a fact that i've given more money then higher named symbols

then me and also can break out pm's of kids asking me symbols. Thats

one reason why i'm so happy to be at green for 50 fucking dollars. I

get to feel like I've done more for this site then the kids who are

more worried about the image than the cause. I'm relatively new on this

site too. I think my join date was November 1st 06 and i donated

spring 07. though I have to give it to the guys who donated way before

i knew what newschoolers.com was. There unselfishness made it possible

for me to join this site. Not enough respect is given to these guys

especially when there signage doesn't add up to how important their

donation was

The sign is a symbol of caring for the site. THe sticker free 5

dollars that somebody gave in 5 years ago has gone a lot farther then a

sticker filled 5 dollars has gone today and somehow on the online list

that looks like coined kids who joined last week have contributed just

as much as NS staples. What I would like see is the signs go away. I

bet this would drastically reduce the amount of kids who wanted to be

donators for the sheer recignition though but it would show who

actaully cared through access to international kool KIDZ KLUB (IK3),

an epic place for donators. PRoblem with that is I think NS would have

finiancial issues.

THe thing is, we know who we are and that wouldn't be forgotten if

donators was as active it is now with all the anti contributor shit.. I

recognize all the names i can see on the online list, some are better

than others but i've seen them before. Think about it, I for at least

one respect these names more than I would if I scroll down a lot more

on the list with a few exceptions like lyndon, skierX etc.

Finallyto the point of this of the thread. I think its bullshit to hand

out signage for getting stuff in return. That would be like getting

points for rim in basketball, you get a point and the ball back to

score more, not get the 2 and have to give it up because you've

supposedly done something harder. So where is my ns gear. This is going

to sound like a dick move but i think i deserve them.

Sparknotes:

READ THE 4 5th grade level writing level paragraphs. I make my actaul

point in one of the 2 other threads on this topic. I belive it was the

one written by heath. THe first 3 paragraphs are new stuff though.
 
I'm beginning to lean towards getting rid of all the icons and just having recognition in your profile. You could have the icon in your profile too if it matters that much.

The online list should be sorted red, green, orange then pink and blue alphabetically. This would make the list much tidier instead of the rainbow that it is at the moment.

To be honest, after buying from the store I was kinda looking forward to getting some sort of recognition for that, but now I don't care. Whatever happens some of the 'og' will get upset.

Since ns no longer has the need for donations now its owned by 411 not having the icons in the online list would stop people wanting to donate to get an icon. so theres that problem solved. the original donators would still have recognition in their profile as a contributor or an original contributor, which should be fine for them since many say they didn't donate to get recognition and they still have access to their forum. People who have bought from the shop could have either contributor or supporter in their profile.

This whole thing seems to have become way bigger an issue than it should have. we all need to take a step back and chill.
 
no we would group them together

Example:

Reds up top

Greens after

Oj's

Blues/pinks
 
After reading through all this garbage...I have come to a conclusion whether people care or not.

It is still a contribution to the site considering they are worked into the store prices. Give them green signs unless they spend a lot of money and give them their respected sign. In their profile list them as Investor or what have you.

Leave the original contributors with their current signs. If they purchase in the store their "status" can go up.. Example: if you are green already you can go to silver and so on. Too bad for the Bling donors. What can you do. Then if an original donor gives through the store, in addition to contributor it will also say investor.

This seems to be the only logical way of doing things.

 
i didn't read any of this but get rid of the symbols. having a little gold coin next to my name doesn't really mean anything.
 
Between the options the last one definitely is a no. I know that you said it will suck for you if you make 2 symbols then stop taking donations in the store cause people will be messaging you constantly. i think the original donators should be left with their symbols and then cut off these symbols for life. basically, the moeny symbols should still exist but shouldnt ever be given out again. retire them. for the new contributors give them a tshirt symbol or something. my reasoning behind this is as follows:

1: i like seeing my name no the top of the list and would feel very wierd not seeing it there anymore. its help that spot for years so it would be life changing, i could die.

2: pretty soon everybody on the list is going to have a money symbol next to their name and then its just pointless and overused.

Summary:

2 symbols
 
I can't believe that so many people care so much about their ns "image/status/coolness/eliteness/whatever the hell you want to call it"

I'm with JD, strip everyone of the stupid symbols. Mods stay green, admins stay red, industry folks stay orange, girls stay pink if they so choose, and everyone else stays blue. Alphabetical on the side with admins on top then mods then industry then everyone else mixed.
 
this is such an unnecessary shit storm. My stance is: keep the fucking symbols, and do what some people suggested, and maybe put some notation in the profile separating the two. Easy.

With the donators of the pre-aquisition, most of that money went to a helping a website that had some, but not a ton, of outside support. There are some who donated way long ago when it mattered more. That was a different era, and a different precedent. Kids may want to be of that same... um... trying to avoid the word "status"... cirumstance, but it just can't be, and that is the way of most things that people do; there was a time for some things, and some people just weren't around to partake, simple as that. Personally, let the noobs bitch. Sure, they are the growth, but just because it existed before doesn't mean that they have to be entitled to the same opportunity, because the circumstances are very different.

Getting equivalent recognition because somebody bought a piece of clothing is a bit of a stretch, because they are buying clothes. Hell, I didn't know (but figured a little bit, as most clothing anywhere would do) that some of the cost would go to NS. That's chill, but different from the unsolicited donations of earlier times. But, since it does go towards the site, then why not show a little something for that? Rather than just contrive a bigger shit storm by changing up symbols or removing them all together, keep it nice and simple by keeping the symbols that don't reveal too much, then have a notation somewhere.

That will never solve the issue, since so many people on here can't seem to find any information (their fault) but at least it doesn't add too much fuel to a strange fire.
 
i was more thinking about like until you spend a certain amount u dont have access.

regardless donations should still be allowed. or contributions. or whatever u wanna call it. money with nothing in return
 
What the difference between your 'joe' and and other person that donates 5 or 10 bucks to the site?

The products in the store have a donation built into the price with the purpose of that extra donation money being reinvested within the store in new products. How is that not considered contributing? The more you buy from the store, the higher your donation symbol will be.

Its simple.
 
so therefore the little donation symbols should be for sale in the store, correct?

In other words maybe some people want to help but dont want the stuff or don't like it, etc.
 
word, there should be an option in the shop to "buy" the donation symbol, or to put it another way, just a donate button which gives them a symbol, which aver way makes people happiest.
 
back in the day when there were donator pushes to get new servers and the such, it was a good idea to have the symbols because the more people that noticed them, the more people there were considering donating. it was kind of like peer pressure to keep the site going, in a way, and it worked.

other than that, there is really no reason to have them. i guess on some levels it is e-cool to be able to say "i donated back in the day" but taking away the symbols wouldn't pain me at all.

i have a feeling that the reward most of the donators from pre-411 ns wanted was the site to stay up and keep improving, and we obviously got that. to me, that was the only reason to donate to the site, to keep it up and running.

making major changes to the site just to clarify confusion on the value of some colored dollar signs seems unnecessary to me.
 
I think it's gonna have to be one of those trade-offs the site wants to generate revenue, some people want to donate and some don't, on the whole, more want to donate than not, and those that don't want to donate, you've got to ask yourself, would you rather have a sick T-shirt and give $5 to NS or have no sick T-shirt???
 
funny how the argument/debate has come full circle with your post. This whole thing was born out of the fact that NS does not need the donations anymore, so they were cancelled. Yet people want still to donate for whatever their reason is.. With that in mind, give them that option, that is my thinking. But make it an option. Sell the symbols, for lack of better description, is the best way to go.

The store should be the store. Donations should be donations - no co-mingling.. IMO of course!
 
getting rid or all symbols, in my opinion, might be a bit tricky...i think the result would be a bit chaotic, specifically in the threads of NS. as Pho[tog]rapher said in page 1, i bought an item from the NS store recently, but my feeling is that my money is directly proportional to the item i recieved, and if a portion of it was given to NS for contribution, thats wonderful, and im happy to help, but I dont think that its worth a new symbol.

The symbols as they are now play a huge role in NS, in BST and other threads to be specific. I trust a lot of people on newschoolers, and have bought items from people without money symbols...but the money symbol definitely reinforces a feeling of trust if the seller has one next to their name. Similarly in threads, if I scroll through a big thread, like this in particular, im more likely to stop at a a name that has the penny logo (doesn't look like a cookie to me) or money sign and read what they posted, especially if its nomensteven.
 
Well, that sucks, because there are A LOT of members (i.e. Rowen, Aenigma, SkierX, veteran, drew.) opinions who I respect, more than some of those who do have symbols. So that's kind of a silly way to judge.
 
i completely agree that it is a biased and silly way to judge, but i cant help it, it happens. you figure that someone who donates to this site and has a symbol next to their name must be legit, and it usually is.
 
want icon!!!!!!

but i'd vote for..hmm....lemme think bout that one, i think having new symbols, but keeping the old ones would be good, can't take away from da OGs!

 
There is finally a solution in the works... going to take a bit of re-tooling in the backend but we've got it.

There is going to be two sets of symbols. One for Contributing (the old donating) and one for Store customers.

Each of these sets of symbols will get you access to private forums, though they will be separate.

We will also be accepting contributions again (remember the word donating is reserved for non-profit organizations) so that if you really want a gold coin that badly you'll be able to get them once again. Wait though, as it will be WAY easier if we just process all of it through the store.

You can still also send us a SASE and we'll ship you out free stickers, and yes Papa we'll adjust the prices in the store to reflect that there is no contribution built into the price.

Does this make everyone happy?
 
so that there is another forum that you are not in... silly noob, no milfs allowed! :P

one is for shop talk and one is for uh.... the couple of old gripey people that don't think anyone else should be in that hasn't contributed

It's win win win for everyone. yay!
 
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