"The Male Gaze"

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So I guess this is what feminists new frontline is. Looking at women is now sexist and oppresive. I think the overweight mountain trolls that call themselves feminists are just jealous nobody has ever looked at them.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michaela-pommells/male-gaze_b_2326546.html

"I am a fist-raising radical who loves fighting and speaking out against tyranny and injustice."

"The male gaze is pervasive in our society. Most of the women I speak

with say the most common way they experience sexual objectification is

through the male gaze."

"The problem is not that men look at women; it is because they have the power to look minus the consequences."

 
The only thing I learned from this is that you're a moron:

you think she believes that: "Looking at women is now sexist and oppresive"

she says, and you quote: "The problem is not that men look at women"

Not sure how you missed how directly and completely her statement contradicts what you claim she believes. But yes, hate feminists because you want to hate feminists. Which is funny because i'm sure the reason you hate them in the first place is because some of them hate men because they want to hate men. Contradictions and hypocrisy everywhere.
 
shes such a hypocrite...feminism definitely isn't about male hate...it's about equality. If a woman feels happy and confident dressing like a slut she shouldn't get shit for it.
 
While this article is a misappropriation of the concept, it is a very real thing. It would take even the largest of morons 30 minutes of watching television to realize that women are held up for male pleasure more often than not. The fact that new-age feminists have apparently decided to adopt this term is shitty because now no one will take it seriously anymore, but it's certainly not a new concept.
 
wut? when does she say anything about male hate or not dressing like a slut?

her entire POINT is that women should be able to wear what they want/act like they want without having to attract the male gaze, but that this is not the case currently in our society.
 
Fair. You can't trust anything op says. He's an idiot who probably wakes up in the morning, takes a shower, and THEN sits down on the toilet to take a shit
 
Honestly? This is fucking retarded. She admits both men and women stare at the opposite gender (it should be noted this is something we do instinctively) however it is unjust for men to do it because we don't have to be attractive to be successful? Her reasoning and thoughts are so ridiculously backwards and blatantly moronic that this article should simply be taken as a grande example of moronic writing.

/endrant
 
Do people realize that men (for the most part) are sexually attracted to females? It's part of human instinct. If they dress and act a certain way, some male, somewhere, is going to be attracted to them, its human nature.

And before I get any shit, I JUST wrote a 1,000 word essay on Mulvey and the male gaze for my final. I realize we sexualize and objectify women to a certain extent, especially in popular media, but to some extent it I unavoidable.
 
I appreciate what you're saying, but it is taken to the nth degree in popular media to the point that it's often not even realized how prevalent it is because it just seems like the normal way.
 
Oh I realize. My professor is a certified feminist. Half the essays we right are dealing with feminism in some way, hence my final. Just look at Carls Jr's commercials, perfect example.
 
its hard to not "gaze" at women with the clothes there wear or don't because as they gain more equality they just start to think.....maybe I will wear less
 
i bet if men started wearing "stretchy pants" or yoga pants whatever women would be checking us out more often to. and objectify our civil shit.
 
stop dressing like a sluuut and people wont gawk.....im sure if a muscled toned man walked around sporting a banana hammock he would become an object of the 'female gaze'

and if you really are beautiful enough for people to stop and stare be thankful, people dont just stop and look at sunsets cause its the hip thing to do, its in our nature to be attracted to beauty
 
Nothing current about it. It's entirely instinctual and can be witnessed in any reproductive organism. Stop acting like its some new thing.
 
dictionary definition of current: "happening or existing now"

Nowhere does it say that just because something is current that it didn't happen in the past as well. Similarly, I never said it didn't happen in the past, just that it is also happening now. Next time, please read properly and make sure you are correctly interpreting something before calling someone out on it, you fucking moron.
 
Literally the most basic human instinct is to reproduce. That requires sexual attraction. Feminists picked the most primal human desire to try and combat. They're really making it hard on themselves
 
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New theory: She's not really a feminist, shes just a freak. She's semi-attractive, and wants to piss guys off to the point at which they want to have rough hate sex with her.
 
I am a feminist and I find this article completely absurd. As a male, what am I supposed to take away from this?

"The problem is not that men look at women; it is because they have the power to look minus the consequences. Men have the power to be sought-after regardless of their physical appearance whereas women must meet unrealistic standards to make the cut, so to speak."

This statement is utterly absurd. She doesn't give an example of "consequences," she doesn't back up here message about men being sought after, and she talks about male standards in a completely generalized way and as if we all only want photoshop enhanced Victorias Secret models.

"Feminists" like this chick give the feminist movement a bad image in my opinion.
 
Isn't the whole point of dressing up to attract attention? If people don't want to attract attention, then they just don't wear something so obvious. That goes for men and women.
 
If you think males and females should have equal political, economical, and social rights and opportunities than you are by definition a feminist. The reality of this is twisted by extremists and idiots like this women that are overly concerned with minutiae.
 
no, we don't, you jackass. By "currently" i meant right now; i wasn't saying or implying anything about the past. Your dumbass just read too much into it and you tried to be clever and call me out so you could feel good about yourself when there was nothing to call me out on. As I said, next time, learn to correctly read what is written before trying to get on your high horse and make yourself feel smarter than those around you, numbnuts
 
I've read enough of your inane posts to know that arguing with you has no point. You'll just spew bullshit out of your ass to the point where any type of logical discussion becomes irrelevant. Good night, cock smoker.

 
I don't know, maybe, maybe not, probably depends on the person.

That said, I think the point is that women should be allowed to wear something that they know will attract attention to themselves without being called a "whore" or "slut." The double standard is that if a guy wears no shirt to a party, or a button-down shirt with all the buttons undone, nobody blinks an eye or says anything, if a girl wears something revealing. she gets called a whore, slut, skank, etc.
 
What have i said that is inane or bullshit? You're the one who misunderstood what "currently" means, not me. But hey, go ahead, pin that on me instead of looking at yourself in the mirror and seeing that you're the one who made a mistake and was wrong about this. Or are you really going to say that i'm wrong/lying about what I meant by "currently?" Because, ya know, only a special few are privy to the knowledge that women had far fewer rights/opportunities in the past than they do now, you're totally one of the very few people who knows this.

No, but really, please point to anything i've said in this thread that is even close to inane or bullshit. More likely you're just running away because deep down you know i'm right and you're wrong but don't want to admit it.
 
Ok I'll point to your completely out of touch notion that girls who dress promiscuously to parties are labeled as "sluts'' or "whores". They are referred to as babes, and attract the attention of all males at said party. I think you're getting slut shaming confused with the male gaze
 
This is such a butthurt defensive response. It was 100% clear what your statement was intended to mean, and when someone legitimately pointed out the very real biological and kind of "eternal" undercurrent that is a major contributing factor, you tried to argue semantics. Then, in true internet warrior fashion, you tell him to "read properly".

You can't just up and arbitrarily decide that the phenomenon of men looking at women is the byproduct of a sexist media and "rape culture". Yes, we are inundated with images of scantily clad women, and yes I think there has been a net negative effect on the perception of women's value by constantly boiling them down to their fundamental sexual desirability. I won't argue that, "men are objectified too!", because while true, there's no comparison in terms of raw frequency.

In other words, there are some ideas about gender roles and women that are harmful and perpetuated in popular culture, but that doesn't happen just because. Meaning, men don't "gaze" at women because advertising and film characters brainwash them to do so....advertising and film representations are what they are BECAUSE men gaze at women.

The survival of the species literally hinges on men continuing to be incredibly and viscerally attracted to women....visually. I'm not saying that in order to excuse or justify what can be pretty despicable behavior on the part of men (some men, some of the time, other men, all of the time, a lot of men, basically none of the time), I'm just pointing out what should be obvious yet that seems to always get lost in these critiques.

And, just because I want to say something a little provocative and unpopular:

Where is women's culpability in all of this? Someone has to agree to pose nude, or mostly nude in these ads that a lot of people find degrading. Someone has to agree to sing a song written by a man that has incredibly suggestive lyrics and narrows the female experience to solely pursuing and pining after boys. Someone has to decide to take endless cleavage, ass, and face selfies and spam social media with them and constantly focus on their physical appearance. Someone is buying the products that these ad campaigns pitch.

I know someone will want to argue along the lines of, "Well, if a woman wants to follow her musical passion, or her acting passion, she has to play the game and compromise their integrity or they're blackballed". Well, ok. So then, I guess that would be something of a personal sacrifice due to matters of integrity, principle, or even the greater good. So, if women are collectively and overwhelmingly bothered by these negative and demeaning representations in media and pop culture, isn't there some responsibility to take action and/or refuse to participate in the process?

I don't directly blame women for how they're "sold", because I'm at least smart enough to know that men have controlled the media machine from the gate, but with the dawning awareness of a problem, or a consensus being reached amongst women that this is an ugly reality, when does it at least in part become on women to take action to move in a different direction?
 
You were implying everything about the past using this word. Seriously get your thumb out of your ass and stop trying to save face, it's verging on comical.
 
You are exactly "lying" about what you meant, because your ego demands that you can't give up in an internet war of words. The fact that you called yourself out on it is like a little kid nervously looking at his mom and saying, "You think I'm LYING, mom!? I can't believe you'd think that!".
 
Maybe you go to different parties than I do, but last I checked you can still be called hot and a whore/ slut simultaneously.

You're really going to tell me you've never heard a guy say "let's go find some whores/sluts tonight" and really meaning attractive girls wearing little clothing? Slut shaming and the male gaze are connected, which is to say that guys are able to look at a girl wearing little clothing and makes the assumption she must be a slut, and thus worthless beyond her physical appearnece, while a guy wearing no shirt to a party isn't judged the same way because he is a man, and thus inherently has a certain worth beyond his physical appearance.
 
I don't know what to tell you. I wasn't lying. By "currently" i meant right now; i wasn't trying to imply anything about the past. I swear on my mother's grave I'm telling the truth. If anything, I meant "currently" as in it's not the case right now, but could be in the future.

too drunk to take the time to read your longer post, but i may or may not get to it tomorrow, depending on how cheery i am.
 
Holy straw man argument. They say don't argue with idiots because they'll bring you down to their level and beat you with experience. Exhibit A) every single on of your posts. I'm actually done now, merry Christmas bro
 
I really, really wasn't. I swear again on my mother's grave. Sorry to disappoint you and make you feel bad about yourself.
 
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