The Holocaust

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how do you explain an authentic german document to Eichmann reporting over 1,000,000 Jews exterminated in just one camp? Falsified?
 
i love how you are well versed in the conspiracy theories about everything. 9/11, the Holocaust, what else you got? Elvis, Roswell anythin else?
 
Ok, and what about Hitler's open anti-antisemitism, his decision to exterminate the Jewish plague on the world, the raiding of synagogues and the paraphernalia put into the synagogue of Prague as a museum for the "extinct Jewish race" when all was said and done?

What about the genocide of the gypsies, homosexuals and other minority ethnic groups?

"Not genocide" to intern even 100 000 jews by force and let them die? Even in the most ignorant assumptions it's still genocide.
 
Another document. Straight from the Nuremberg trials. This is the translated version.

Subject: Report to the Führer about fight against gangs

Report No. 51

Southern Russia, Ukraine, Bialystok

Successes in fight against gangs from 1st October until 1st December 1942

1.) Bandits:

a) Casualties in fights (x)

August September October November total

227 381 427 302 1337

b) Prisoners executed immediately

125 282 87 243 737

c) Prisoners executed after thorough interrogation

2100 1400 1596 2731 7828

2.) Bandit accomplices and suspects

a) arrested

1342 3078 8337 3795 16553

b) executed

1198 3020 6333 3706 14257

c) Jews executed

31246 165282 95735 70948 363211

3.) Turncoats thanks to German propaganda

21 14 42 63 140

(x) The number of casualties are to be considered much higher,

because the Russians carry off their fallen or bury them immediately.

This does not prove the existance of mass exterminations in the millions but it sure does help stoke the fire.
 
This telegram just notes the number of arrivals at the camps. Nowhere does it mention anything about "extermination".
 
OK, so say hypothetically you're an SS officer in charge of one of these camps...it's 1945, the Soviets are breathing down your neck, the end is damn near and you know it...you know there are war crime trials coming...what is the first thing you destroy?

 
The Hoefle Telegram has been put under the microscope and has been identified as a document that shows deaths, not arrivals. Cited by numerous sources.

Letter and 14 day report year-end report

Camp i.d. to 31.12.1942 1942 total

L ? Lublin 12761 24733

B ? Belzec 0 434508

S ? Sobibor 515 101370

T ? Treblinka 10335 713555 (*)

total: 23611 1274166
 
ice pointa you bring up a lot of good points on uncited evidence, however from what i have seen it just seems that the holocaust definitely happened and thats that.
 
obviously I believe the holocaust happened,... i dont get skeptics about this. how can you deny all these facts?

and my granny is a survivor from the holocaust, same with my oma but shes dead now, she survived the holocaust but moved to canada then died ... my opa went to a concentration camp. . and never came back... so.., there ya go...
 
No, that article just lables anyone who thinks the holocaust might not have happened an antisemite. Then it says theres lots of evidence, but doesn't actually offer anything.

They don't prove that gas chambers were used to kill people instead of clean clothes. What about those plate glass windows? Why did we never find all those "mass graves". If Austwich was designed to be a death camp, why was it constructed on swampy ground, where burn pits cannot even be dug, even though thats what supposedly happened. They don't even mention that the "confessions" were extracted under torture and for pleas for leniency.
 
You failed to read the section in which someone analyzed chemical samples from both the chambers. The levels of cyanide and whatever that delicing chemical was called were in high enough concentrations to kill not only lice but also humans.
 
It has been noted that the Soviets had falsified numerous documents and photo's, those have been sorted and disbanded. Most info has been taken from the Allied side and internet German Bureaucratic investigations. The numbers from the allied side may have "possibly" been inflated but the pictures do not lie.
 
Nope, "Zugang" simply means arrivals. There is nothing to suggest they're talking about deaths instead of arrivals.
 
My last statement is this, estimated population counts from third party organizations put the Jewish number at about 6 million less after 1945, the previous numbers worked from were taken from 1938. The initial estimated population of the Jews was also put around the same number by the Nazis.
 
That's my mistake, I read a couple that classifed that documents at death but many more cites have it translated as arrivals not deaths.
 
It takes a higher concentration of zyclon-b to kill an insect than to kill a human, so yes, that makes sense.
 
yeah i dont even know why u guys are bagging on icepointa. he even said he believes that it happened, but it was just blowed out of proportion. hes just trying to show both sides of the argument.
 
well those pictures of hundreds of people on top of each other wasnt a giant jewish orgy so idk how much more proof of a mass graves you need.
 


you know who else denies the hollocoust? Nazis

why don't you send them a card, maybe even join up.
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"Ok guys, now i know you're all tired from making it look like the camps have been by bombs, so why don't you all lie down on the ground and don't move so we can take this picture, and pretend like we killed you all"

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(April 12, 1945: Nordhausen Concentration Camp,

where 20,000 inmates were believed to have died)

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(Bergen-Belsen Death Camp at liberation by the British Army)

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(A British Army bulldozer pushes bodies into a mass grave at Belsen. 19 April 1945)

No way, you tell me the gas chambers had glass window panes on them, easy for ventilation eh?

now why would you want to be able to ventilate a gas chamber? I don't know, maybe becaues after they killed everybody in the room they needed to be able to air it out before trying to clear out the bodies?

What's that you say? It takes more pesticide to kill an insect than a human? How is it logically possible then for the nazis to be using it to 'clean' prisoners? Correct me if i'm wrong but according to what you said, higher concentrations of pesticde are nessisary to kill the insect vs killing the human. How could they have killed a single insect without killing the people with the bugs on them?

honestly read Wiesel, read actual accounts of those who experianced the holocaust, sure you can easily make up fake numbers, but i tell you it's got to be impossible to make up emotions such that exist in accounts of the holocaust.

 
usually people who still follow nazism still do not believe that the holocaust happened because well there basically calling them self bad, which they are by following nazism, what my main point is NAZIS NEED TO FUCK OFF
 
would you not punch me in the face if i was at your grandparents 50th weding aniverseray and started my toast to them with "your grandmother is a filthy whore, and your grandfather is a scumbag-good-for-nothing hound dog"

sure you have a basic right to say anything you want, but if you say something offensive and rude, people have a right to call you out on it, sometimes if you say something you really shouldn't say, you're going to get punched in the face, and you'd deserve it.

 
...i know icepointa is only trying to show one side of the story and he believes it happened....but, i am jewish, both sets of my grandparents on my mother's and father's side are camp survivors... and yes, they have the tattoos...only my grandmother on my father's side has spoken about it openly and in private with me...horrific...I can't write about it because it brings back memories of her stories...every day i marvel at how she maintains her sanity with those memories still lodged in her mind...but i'll tell you this...it happened...and happened in a very big, and very real way...the numbers are not exaggerated...and the gas chambers did exist...my grandmother watched her sister walk into one and never come out....its truly just completely disrespectful to even think for a second that it didn't happen or that it was exaggerated.
 
wow this is pretty interesting

i know for a fact that the motherfuckiing russians did genocide, those fucked up motherfuckers
 
there are survivors, pictures, and videos.

we watched a video in junior high of thousands of bodies being bulldozed into the ground.

thats evidence enough...

not to mention the camps that still stand? of course they are not in use, but they exist!
 
So jumister what you're saying is that I should judge someone on their political beliefs and that I shouldn't associate with this guy because he's a nazi, correct? Ok well lets say i'm far conservative, should I not hang around liberals and individuals on the other end of the spectrum just because of what they politically believe in? There's plenty of people out there who believe 9/11 was an inside job, should I talk to my friends and ask what they think? If they say it was an inside job i'll probably never talk to them again even though they're my friends. Well wait a minute a few people I know don't believe Global warming is happening I'm probably not going to hang out with them today either, what a bunch of dumbfucks.

Now the Holocaust is on a different level then what I described above but I still wouldn't judge anyones character on what they believe happened.
 
So your telling me that pictures of mass graves don't prove anything, then I guess you think that the genocide in Bosnia didn't happen either because you don't believe that the pictures are real. Your telling me that your ignorant enough to believe that this whole thing didn't really happen.

There have been testimonies from people who have been in the holocaust stating exactly what happened and I'm pretty sure I would believe that, also I haven't seen one document proving that there were less than 6 million killed.
 
Exactly, trying telling me those didn't happen. My Dad was born in a refugee camp in Yugoslavia when the genocide in Bosnia was going on, my grandma and grandpa lived through that so anyone who tries to tell or prove to me that it didn't happen i automatically won't believe you.

The fact is these genocides happened, the majority of the world believes that it happened, only few are skeptic and they are just blind as to what really went on.
 
IcePointa is just one of those people who likes to spark an argument just for the fact of disagreeing with someone or in this case society. Deep down he knows the holocaust happened and a few million jews died because of it because everyone knows it happened. How can eye witnesses not be facts....it must be a huge coincident that all the jews that survived the camps and all the nazis that admitted it all have the same story.
 
The kid is a douchbag bandwagon yuppy if he's a nazi but 'still cool'. he knows the shit happened but just heard the theory and grabbed onto it to be different.
 
I don't believe it happened. I'm 100% sure it happened. I went to a concentration camp called Terezin, it's a few miles away from Prague. This concentration camp wasn't a good place, that's a thing I can tell you. We saw the place were the fire squad's shot people, it was horrifying to see it, you know that there a lot of people killed there. Also really small rooms to put hundreds of people in, the Nazi's did this just to irritate the people at the concentration camps. It's disgusting how people still say that the Holocaust is fake!
 
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