trust me, it was. and im not taking any of these brainfarts who say im lying seriously because i dont lie about my skills, ever. i did in my profile but that isnt lying, thats being retarded because i know that everyone lies in their profiles. ive read some corny ones like jpauclair's...crazy tricks like 360's, who can do those??? they are not possible. i can do 270 off of some rails, nose butters on rollers and im learning flat ground nose butters. i can do certain rails now that i had never tried before because, well, im a pussy usually. i can do 360 off of one box and then i spin the rest to 450 on the ground kinda. so, no, i cant really do what you would consider a "450" off a rail. good day!