The flaws with our naming system

Miomo

Miomo

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One of the flaws with the way we name the off axis tricks is the naming of the Cork 3 and Rodeo. The chart represent the main movement of the feet relative to the center of gravity. For example, a backflip would be an arrow moving negatively along the y-axis.

As you can see, Rodeos are integrated with Corks, and Cork 3s are left all alone. If following the definition of a Cork, a Rodeo is actually a Cork, with the axis of spin eventually being, more or less, directly to the side. That leaves Cork 3s alone, with the axis of spin, at the peak of the trick, along the y-axis and the feet in a y-positive position.

In order to solve this problem, Cork 3s should be moved to where Rodeo 3s are, and all Rodeos (which are the same as corks) moved to the position of Cork 3s.
 
Trying to explain 3 dimensional movements on a 2 dimensional platform doesn't really work.
 
Not that I understand the diagram, but the fact that cork three is not with cork on your chart clearly proves that you have no idea what you are talking about.
 
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@sladeski

The corks you showed in that are on the Cork 3 axis, not the *Cork* axis. If you looked at a double cork, the axis nutates in the exact same way both times, yet in another thread, people are arguing that the second Cork is usually a Rodeo, despite that.
 
I kinda see where you're coming from. It's like corks are more of a spin that turns inverted whereas a rodeo is an inversion that turns to spinning.

BUT I think the terminology is okay as it is now.
 
Disclaimer: This is for anyone who does not understand certain rotations. If you do understand skiing, everything I say will remain quite obvious, and probably sound stupid...so who cares?

If anyone is really confused (as you seem to be), a "cork spin" originally a "d-spin" is essentially a backflip 720. People make their own variations and axis of this which, in reality, is what style is...that is why moguls and aerials are you know...conforming and freeride skiing is not conforming because people figured out how to use grabs and such to make tricks looks better and personalize them. The issue of the cork 3, flatspin, and rodeo is really not that hard to understand, youre making it too complicated. Flat spin: you are spinning flat do get so confused and make it difficult. The names of tricks are generally like that for a reason. The true definition of a flatspin would be spinning on an axis of a pole basically sticking sideways through your body (parallel to your wingspan, this pole would stick straight up out of the table, or knuckle or whatever into the sky). A rodeo is a convoluted definition of a flatspin. It brings us back to the style issue. Everyone does a rodeo differently (style) some are flatter, some spin and flip more, but they all generally the same. You pop sideways from the jump, this is why it is very difficult to do a true rodeo or flatspin on a trampoline (most people do variations of lincoln loops including me for the most part) because there is no jump. If you dont understand that you should ski more and watch more skiing until you do. A cork three can be similar to a rodeo in the way your body is in the air, but it is a fundamentally different trick. You see the similarities when a person does a double flip. A double cork 7 and doble flat can look very similar because there are few ways that are easiest to go into a second flip, and come out of the flip(s) (I can not do any dubs but i have watched enough to know this). The fundamental difference in the cork 3 and the flatspin is your edges. the way you take off and land. They are basically the opposite. If you dont understand that go skiing until you do, and if you dont understand after that, youre a kook, get over it...This is convoluted and stupid, i dont know why i tried to explain this because it will confuse half of you and the other half will think i'm and idiot. But who cares, go skiing and stop worrying about what the trick is called because it doesn't matter in the scheme of things. Y'all get to caught up in what shit is called and not what it looks like and how much fun people are having.

Have a great day i hope you go skiing soon
 
Sure, but that's only because a rodeo has less spins/flip. Usually, a rodeo 5,7, etc. is just a rodeo 3 with extra spin at the end. Think about a true rodeo 9, with the spinning and flipping evenly distributed throughout the trick. That is what most people would call a cork 9.
 
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