The Cons of Being Pro: The Inner Worlds of Professional Athletes

Yossarian

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I'm not sure whether this counts as SG or NSG as it is written by Ryan Leech an ex-pro mountain biker, but I thought it was pretty interesting and thought NS would enjoy it. Given the focus on pros and becoming pros a lot of people have on here.

beamsandstruts.com/articles/item/919-the-cons-of-being-pro-the-inner-worlds-of-professional-athletes

Mods: if it's in the wrong place apologies.

 
My mate Jack is a professional kiteboarder for Naish (NBD) and says the best thing about being pro is all the bitches he pulls (espesh the under-20s). Just putting it out there.
 
not even joking, one of my good friends friends from school who i know, is a pro kite boarder. Just graduated and travels all over the world. He says he gets so many girls haha.
 
Threads. I've always wondered how shitty it would be to show up to a shoot and you're really out of it that day or you think the features are sketchy but you have to do it.
 
Skimmed and looked like a good article. Will give it a full read later on.

Also threads for potential that orange names will chirp in their stories
 
There was an interview with JP Walker in transworld a few years back that had something about being pro. JP said that the more pro you get, the less you ride. If you want to get lots of riding in, then become a liftie. I thought it was interesting. But that also depends on what people view as alot of riding.
 
being a wanna be pro and having a job that allows u to live a better life than 2 year pro ski career is way more suitable, specially when pulling the finest tail in breck, aspen, mammoth, tahoe, whistler, les duex alpes, isnt a problem....sleigh on, and stay in school :)
 
i think i can honestly say that i wouldnt want to go pro if i could. I live in whistler, cook during the nights, and then probably get more skiing in than the pros do in a year, seeing as im up almost everyday, and im not always spending time doing things like filming or travelling. Like i cannot stand being filmed in pow. I like getting footage obviously, but i just dont have the patience to stand around waiting for a shot to get set up, when theres still pow to be skied.
 
This. i have spent the last 2 seasons in Whistler and the season before that in Japan and I don't think I have a single shot of me skiing pow
 
amen. this winter i skied 7 days and worked 7 nights a week. at the same time though it was super nice to have days off from shredding when my body needed it. having played football at a fairly high level i remember the point where it stopped being fun because of injuries/pain but still had no choice but to play anyway... i hope i never see that place with my skiing :\
 
i am by no means a "professional" skier, so my view on it might differ from others because i have a real job so skiing remains my "release". but i'm not a stranger to the filming aspect of it so i guess i can provide a little light.

i've actually, in my travels, never filmed with anyone who hits something because they feel like they have to get the shot. every time i've gone filming its because myself and those i've been around have wanted to get the shot. maybe i've just gotten lucky in who i've filmed with, but i've heard stories of people feeling like they have to and it isn't pretty. i've also gotten lucky in my sponsors and pretty low-profile (being on the lowest rung of film skiers definitely helps), none of them have ever told me that i needed to do something, with the exception of one photo shoot. at said photo shoot, i did get the "jump monkey jump" feeling leech speaks of, and i personally won't ever do anything like that again.

as long as you go into all of it with a good head on your shoulders and be true to whatever the fuck YOU want to do, you'll be fine. perfect example is pwhite, that kid has blown up the past couple years and to this day he does whatever the fuck he wants, nothing anyone tells him to. he's the kind of skier that people should look up to.

my philosophy through my short lived filming career has been the same from the start: if skiing ever starts to feel like a job to me, i will say fuck it and quit filming on the spot.

i know it's probably different for more high profile skiers, so threads to hear their take.
 
awesome computer wont let me quote the bit that a i wanted to so ill do nit myself : " if skiing ever starts to feel like a job to me, i will say fuck it and quit filming on the spot."

Quoting that bit because it's the only part of that response that i can relate to. I made sking my job by choice ( i teach kiddies how to ski, making me, be definition, a pro skier, hehe) because i thought that would be really fun and most importantly, it pretty much guarantees me 9 months on snow a year, which was super important for me at the time having come from Sydney where i got between 3 and 5 days skiing in a year from the age of 4 till 17, skipped a few trips in that time too due to there being no snow.

For a lot of people the idea of being an instructor is horrible for obvious reasons, skiing with kids and training are what most people tell me were the major put offs, and yes, there are definitely days where im in the rain, or its a pow day and im stuck on the bunny hill with some 5 year olds who seem to think that I am wasting their time, and i totally wanted to shoot myself.

And there are also times when its 7am and instead of sleeping im on the the bunny hill, with a trainer, and its raining, and we are practicing our fucking snow plough stops, those times also suck. But there are also times when I remember that i literally get paid to ski almost everyday of the season. And times when im not teaching 5 year old who cant ski parallel, but infact, 19 year olds who fucking rip, and getting paid to ski pow definitely does not suck. Not to mention free season passes, discounts at all the mountain owned shops and access to pro deals.

Another + is having access to trainers who can break down your technical skiing to the tiniest things and help you improve, which is fucking awesome, looking back to my first year working at a resort and then looking at how i can ski now, fucking mind blowing.

I also see alot of people who I have worked with and have stopped doing it for a variety of reasons, mostly due to the lack of money earned and the first couple of years which tend to be brutal (screaming kids for every lesson of your season) but for me just being able to ski is enough, and each year that goes by i love it more and more, and being away from snow (a couple of months in Sydney a year) fucking sucks, simply because i can't ski. I now ski more days in a year, than i used to attend school - fucking winning. /end rant

TL;DR: im a ski instructor i think teaching kiddies how to ski makes me pro brah
 
where do you work that you get to teach for 9 months? are they hiring??

also, teaching kids to ski doesn't make you a "pro-skier" by any stretch of the imagination. when people refer to pros they are talking about people that get paid to film, compete, and endorse products that are related to skiing. teaching kids doesn't involve any of these things. i suppose an argument could be made for examiners though since they help to create standards and are pretty much the authority on "technical" skiing. but they are all douchebags anyway so who really cares??
 
skiing everyday for a living = proskier? Maybe not the most common use of the word but he skies 9 months of the year, lets say he's a professional ski bum.
 
Whistler for 6 months and Thredbo for 3 months.

and LOL, i see you didn't pick up on my sarcasm, its just funny that by definition I am technically a pro skier, the business cards that Whistler give us actually say "Ski Proffesional" on them. and clearly you have never met a trainer, most of them are really chill guys, having a passion for technique on a groomer doesn't make your a douchebag :p
 
I think that there is a danger that looms for all of us in terms of losing ourselves to the greed of our own ego. I think our generation, a generation that has become embedded in internet culture with Facebook, Twitter, Newschoolers, Instagram, texting, Iphones, etc, are especially susceptible to getting sucked into greed for attention.

It is human nature to feel great about yourself when your getting noticed or getting attention. It feels great to know that people respect you and look up to you. You begin to base your image and ideals of yourself based on what someone else thinks of you. You let others validify your own existence. It is an act of basing your happiness and ideals of youself on what others think of you. With that in mind, you become extremely tied to others ideals of yourself instead of your own ideals. For example, if a pro skier wins a big competition, the girls will give him love, the crowd will give him love thus inflating the ego. An athletes ideals of himself become tied to what others think. THIS IS A HUGE PROBLEM. Why is this a problem? Its because life fluctuates. We have shitty times of our lives, we have great times, and we have mediocre times. So what happens when an athlete falls from glory? They are no longer getting the attention or social reinforcement from the crowd. As a result, sadness and depression hit. They are not longer great. But that is all merely a perception.

With that said, what really matters is that you stay true to yourself and love yourself no matter what the crowd thinks or no matter what you may go through in your life. Do not attach yourself to what others think. Do not let your ego feed off of what others tell you about yourself. You know yourself from day one. Once you start letting others give you your idea of youself, you give away all your power. You are letting others decide what you are and this is a horrible problem.

I'm not saying there is a huge problem with pro-athletes and that you shouldn't strive for greatness in your life. And its also not bad to get praise for you work. But what you have to realize is all that shit is second nature. What you should focus on in your life is what you love to do. If you love to ski, go ski, go get creative and enjoy the time you spend skiing. But as soon as you begin to let others determine what kind of skier you are, the beauty of the sport is ruined. All that matters is that you enjoy whatever your pursuits may be. Don't let others tell you whether or not your good enough, or that your worthy because its not about them. Its only about you in the moment. Once you begin to let others define yourself, you give your power away and you become much more susceptible to what the crowd thinks of you.

I think the biggest issue our generation faces is that Social Media really amplifies the problem of letting others define ourselves. Social Media is all about give and take. From my personal experience on social media sites, I think that I can speak for all of us when I say that you feel better about yourself when you're getting a lot of notifications, love, and attention on these sites. Some of you probably don't get any notifications and you take it personally. No one is watching me, I'm not getting attention and then you become sad. With social media, we begin to base our ideas of ourselves by our online track record. I'm not saying that these sites are purely evil because I know that they are also a great way to stay in touch with friends. However, don't succumb to letting Facebok or whatever other site define what you think of yourself. Once you begin to let others define your perception of yourself, your going to experience problems in your psyche. There is no need for attention from others in terms of validation whether or not your worthy. Your ego runs off of attention. When you're getting attention it feels great, when you're not, you feel unworthy of yourself and become sad. This kind of thinking is shit brained. As I said, it is really important for your own peace of mind to define your own life and never let others define it for you.

I think the biggest issue a lot of pro athletes/famous people experience is the issue of whether or not they define themselves or let others define themselves. If you define yourself, there is beauty to life because you live on your own terms and don't let others validate your existence. However, once you let others define you, your life is going to be a roller coaster ride of chaos. Your going to let what others think of you define your life. I think both these ideas are evident in the pro athletes of today. I can think of plenty of skiers that solely ski for themselves and the happiness the sport brings to them. I can also think of many skiers that let others define them in their pursuits. What side of the fence do you fall on?

Sorry for the rant, but this has been a thought that I have been thinking a lot about lately. I think this is the biggest issue we all face in our lives. We should also strive for greatness in our lives, while being humble about it. Its not about the fame, the money, or any other abstract idea. All it is about is the experience you have through your life and the joy it brings you. Here is a great read about the ego that has really inspired me lately:

http://deoxy.org/egofalse.htm

I hope this isn't overboard! Great thread though, good to see something intellectual in the forums.
 
Here's another way to think about it.

Do you play the guitar because it brings joy to your own life and its a great form of self-expression. Do you get lost in the music and dance with the notes you strum?

Or do you play the guitar to become the next Jimmy Page, Bob Dylan, etc?

It all is about where you priorites fall. One of my favorite quotes is "Succes comes to those who are to busy to be looking for it"
 
I don't understand how PSIA examiners would be worse than other examiners? in what way are they douchebags?

A lot of people mistake trainers training to help them for being critical arseholes but thats just becuase they cant take constructive criticism without having a bitch. If they tell you to stop being a useless jib rat and learn forward in your boots, they are not being arseholes, they are trying to improve you..

the only reason they might seem rude is because they are dealing with fellow instructors, not clients, so they dont have to put on the customers service smile. I have literally had examiners stop mid run to tell us a fucked up joke because it "suddenly pooped into my head and made me laugh"
 
As much as I agree with this (and everything else you wrote), the nature of sponsorship intrinsically promotes the idea of vanity: hide your personality and be an blank shell that sells stuff. Some companies are cool and aren't like that (fortunately), but it's embarrassing to see skiers "act" as soon as the camera is rolling. And as soon as someone has the balls to be themselves, they are criticized for not being politically correct, or for "seeming insert-adjective-here."
 
threads. this is super interesting and im hoping for more input from the orange. And i am a ski instructor as well and the days when a kid understands skiing and loves it make up for every little shit who cries. To see a kid turn passionate about skiing in even the worst conditions is enough to make me want to continue doing the thing i love most. Skiing.
 
Skiing is his profession, as in what he makes a living from. Therefor, professional skier. A lot of people the kids on this site consider pros, like Logan have other jobs to get money, and skiing is only a subsidizer to their income.

Professional is not a level of skill, its a job description.
 
I am by no means a pro, actually I'm a fifteen year old kid who loves to ski and has no ambition to be a "pro skier" (whatever that means). I think of a pro skier as someone who enters contests to win and get paid and/or receive a prize. I believe that when a person competes for a prize other than the joy of skiing it does not allow a person to unleash their creativity nor does it allow them to completely show/feel their true love for the sport. I used to ski competitively and i noticed that i felt pressured when i competed and it took away much of the joy that i got from the sport as when i skied for "fun". I realize that many people find much joy in competing and may disagree with me, but i felt compelled to share my views on competing for a prize/ "professional skiing".
 
Theres Cons to everything, Im still down for going pro. Working hard over here n this guy' trying to kill the buzz. Interesting essay.
 
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