The best thing you can do to support ski film companies.

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DrewLederer

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The best thing you can do to support ski film companies is

buy your DVDs from the companies' website! When your order directly from the

film company's website you cut out all the middlemen and allow the company to

make a few extra bucks, which means we have more money to make bigger and

better films. On behalf of the entire ski film industry please support us by

ordering direct!

Drew Lederer

PBP

 
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not as much as you think. PBP makes more, theyve established more sponsor deals and other things that bring in revenue. On top of that they arent even a truly skiing only company like level 1, they produce windsurfing movies among other things.
 
Dvd sales must just be icing on the cake compared to the money sponsors dump into them. If you look at it the movies are around really only to sell you product.
 
now I feel like a patron saint for pre-ordering pbp's and level 1's movies directly from their respective sites. word.
 
yezzur! in return maybe the industry could throw in some riders with different styles into their movies (max hill, ian wade) hahaha but stoked on the films this year
 
Depends on where the event is taking place, how many people show up. It is great to throw an event like that, but it costs a decent amount of money. I know the product give aways are sponsors and so forth, but they give away a lot of dvd copies, it costs to send people from the film out, it costs to rent the venue (usually), it costs for the equiptment... yeah...
The TGR premiers ended up costing around $2000 to put on at an actual venue (not just a club event) with a good deal and then TGR had to pay to have their crew and blah blah blah... 200 people at 20 each is less than 2000 profit. But then again, they get the exposure and what not and people get the word out and blah blah blah.
If your interest is giving them money, buy movie. If it is giving them more fans, get 2 friends to pay the $20 with you to go and then that's $40 they wouldn't have had at all.

But again, depends on the venue and blah blah blah.
 
Its hard to do that when you live in countries such as New Zealand where shipping is too expensive and shops take a season to get thim.
 
This may benefit the film companies more, but it hurts the industry retailers who are trying to also make a living within the industry.
 
How do your distributors feel about things like this? I used to be a sales agent for a distributor and believe me this isn't cool.

What if a ski company came out and said, "Don't buy from your local shop. Support us instead and we'll make a better ski next year."?

By saying shit like this you're basically telling your distributors and retailers that you don't give a shit about them. Plus saying this on a website that sells your films...WTF? To think, I actually busted my ass to get a DVD booking order placed before I left the shop I used to work at.

Really classless!
 
This is a very fascinating issue... because its the same for more than just movies. The local shops forever have been a cornerstone of the ski industry. They're the ones who can fit your boots properly, suggest skis, repair your equipment, etc.

However, having a physical shop costs more. The entire movement of buying online has local shop owners losing business to cut-rate gigantic online stores.

Some would say that this is just the natural shift in business... but some would argue who the hell is going to fit your boots if there's no more local shops?

Sadly in order to manage relationships with the thousands of shops out there in many different countries, you're forced to go with distributors. I mean imagine how hard it would be to get your product into hundreds of stores in the US, Canada, Europe, Japan, NZ, AUS, ETC.? Pretty darn difficult.

So thats why (in my opinion) you end up with these gigantic distribution companies. They're the ones that can get your product out into the shops, where the local kid who works there can say "Man, you should buy this movie, its sick."

Of course, Newschoolers has its own store, and we too sell DVD's - though admittedly that business is nowhere of what it once was... so in a way I understand that everyone is fighting for scraps of a collapsing industry.

I mean look at what has happened to the world of music. Its in shambles! The entire business model has collapsed... Personally I think its great that the massive record labels have gotten totally fucked over, but its sad that cool local record shops have gone the way of the dodo.

Not sure where I rest on the issue, but at the very least I know that there's a lot more to it than simply "support the film company" or "screw the distributor".

I can totally understand from the film company's perspective as well wanting to sell movies direct... however, that makes me not want to bother stocking movies as a store. So what hurt the film company more, the fact that I don't want to sell videos and the reach is less, or the fact that they did manage to sell more direct?

Of course speaking more hypothetically for that last point, but you get the gist of what I'm saying.

Where do you as a newschoolers member usually purchase things you buy? Support the local shop, or buy online at a discount?

 
It completely depends on what I'm buying. DVDs are from the direct site or newschoolers. Boots, larry the bootfitter, skis, I will try to do a store, but if the deal is too good online I do online. Clothes, either used or post season deals at the shops.

But, just an idea, why don't the premiers have the dvds available for sale? It would save on shipping for the customer and save the companies time. I would love to be able to buy the movies at the premier personally.
 
I can say that I am not buying from PBP anymore. With the budget they have its bullshit that they cant come up with something more original and creative than they do. fuck they cant even come up with original music and have to steal MOVIE NAMES from AM companies. Fucking weak.
 
I thought I would just mention that I go see the premiers live an usually buy 1-2 dvd/bluray's a year from these companies in hopes to support a better movie next year.
That said, I think there is some benefit to seeing some of these movies online on file sharing sites. Especially for some of the smaller production companies having a ripped copy online gives them a free way to distribute their material and get it out to many, many more people who most likely would not have purchased or seen the movie live. By getting their content out to more people, assuming their movies is good, they will hopefully draw more crowds the following year.
Wide spread piracy that replaces sales is obviously wrong and I think at the least we as fans should spend the $10-15 to see the movies live, and if you really liked it or value the company then buy it on Bluray or dvd. In the end I think many people will find a portion of their ski movie library pirated but I think the positives of the availability of the material on the internet will outweigh the negatives. I mean personally this philosophy got my to buy my first Level 1 dvd...
Just my thoughts though...
 
Precisely.

It's a fine line to walk and is in no way black and white. And it's a difficult line to balance on and maintain your moral convictions.
 
I buy BRAND NEW skis from BC.com, since they just fired a good friend of mine after like 4 years of working there, i am going to return my 3 year old skis to get this years.

And my local shops in alta, have plenty of business to keep going. I think shops should be allowed to sell new gear at cheaper prices to keep up with the market, remember most shops are at the mercy of the manufacturer as to what they can sell for what price. I think local shops with a physical address in a ski town should be able to sell for less than online dealers and that would bring some business back to the shops.

If all my local shops go out of business, ill just buy full tilts that are around my size, and stuff pantyhoes in them to make them fit!
 
A lot of people who fit boots at shops are turds. My bootfitter is incredibly talented and works out of his own shop, he doesn't sell boots, he just fits them.
When all the brick and motar shops go belly up (and what good riddance that will be) you'll see more guys doing this and the talent level will go way up all across the field.
Its also more economical:
My current boots (Atomic RTCS 140) have an MSRP of 850.
They were for sale for the amazing late season discount of 750 at my local store, cost included boot fitting.
I grabbed mine off of SAC for 280
Spent 160 on boot fitting.
Saved ~385 dollars and got a professional world cup quality fit.
 
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