don't really know what you guys are talkign about... my flannel fits perfectly, and is really good quality so far. Its an XXL, and goes about half down my thigh, or less. However, I got the tenebaum thermal too in XXL, its realllyy big. about 1 inch above my knee, and i'm 5'11". I like it though. of course i'm not gonna wear it to school because that would look retarded, but i tried it on with my pants and it looks sweet