Thank you public opinion for fucking up checks and balances

Flo_Rida_2016

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Way to go minority voters and first timers alike. Congratulations. With your rampant public opinion, blind one party support, complete ignorance (i can't emphasize enough how little YOU know about either of the following topics) in the political system and foreign policy, and utter disregard for economical systems, you have signed away our system of checks and balances with a potentially filibuster proof senate, a 200 seat majority in the house, potentially 3 justice seats, and the most liberal president this country has ever suffered short of FDR. Thanks!
 
thats right, after 8 years of the other party controlling all the things you mentioned

suck my dick you whiny little bitch, hopefully 8 years from now your cocky arrogant little self will appreciate what the smarter majority of us did for you
 
if you are in any way inferring that FDR was bad for this country in ANY..any way...GTFO. this si what we need to shift the country back to the center (or OMG....the LEFT..omgogmogmgomgog), 9/11 gave bushie a blank check to do what the fuck he wanted, i.e. fucking up the checks and balances.
i will throw down any kind of money betting that obama kills it once he gets to office....socialist policy is what this country needs right now to right the economy (i.e. WPA, refinancing mortages, etc). this country needs another FDR, and ithink we have one
 
youre so fucking retarded i want to reach through the screen and punch you in the face. not really. but everything you said is retarded. all im gonna bother replying with is, if you are worried about our government being too liberal you definitely dont know whats going on.
 
It's funny to see democrats and republicans fight about elections because it is so meaningless. Our two party government runs like a pendulum the two ends of the pendulum being the Republican Party and the Democratic Party. In 2002 we were at one extreme end of the pendulum, the republicans controlled the whitehouse, the congress, and appointed two justices to the supreme court. Since the Republicans fucked everything (because government will always fuck things up) popular opinion has swung (like a pendulum) to the Democrats. In the next 8 years Obama will cause a good amount of harm to this country, he may not mean to do it, but he will because of the power that has been given to him, power corrupts people. Again the pendulum will shift to the republicans in 2016 or however long it takes to go from one extreme to the other, it may be sooner it may be latter.

In Poe's story "The Pit and the Pendulum" a man is tied to the bottom of a pit with a sharpened pendulum swinging down towards his neck, back and forth, until he is finally decapitated. Thats what this system is doing to our country swinging back and forth (from one evil to another) until it decapitates us.

We must rid ourselves of our oppressors before it is to late.
 
people dont got oh shit i better not vote democrat because there are too many of them already and i need to keep things in check. You vote for who you believe is gonna do what is best for the country...obviously people are upset with the republican control for the past 8 YEARS and want something different
 
Wow, what are you fucking cocksuckers going to say when Obama does a great job?

Probably nothing, cause you will be too busy sucking your dads dick.

I'm so sick of all of this. I'm not even going to try and reason. I

can't change your mind and certainly can't change

mine. So just go fuck yourself. If you don't like Obama move out of

this country, get raped in the ass, fuck a dog, I don't care, just shut

the fuck up your ignorant little prick.
 
FDR formed and gave the president the powers he has today. He invented congressional abdication and basically made our congress, which was originally and historically had been the most powerful entity in our system of government. Traditionally it was the president who reacted to congress, not the other way around. Todays presidency is so powerful, that it can declare itself powers and give congress an agenda. We have shifted from a representative republic to an elected dictator.

Everythin FDR did was struck down by the supreme court as being unconstitutional. thanks to him we now have extremely partisan and powerless courts too.
 
I really hope you're kidding about socialism. Are you one of the people who will be getting more money now that Obama will be taking away from the successful classes? I sure hope you have a good reason if you're not kidding. Welfare was created in a time when people who were willing to work couldn't find a job. It should have been a temporary thing but now lazy americans abuse it and are a major reason why our economy is so bad now. Please someone here tell me americans don't abuse the system so I can laugh at how ignorant you are.
 
LOL
Allright this brings up some a few things I read from the thread creator.Everyone keep in mind, this is the same guy who months ago was making posts on this site like he had all the "inside" knowledge about the U.S economy, basically running around saying that the economy was doing just great and anyone who thought otherwise was an idiot. Keep in mind this was long before congress had to pass the bailout package.
Gives you a little clue about this guys "foresight"
Credibility? Gone.

 
you call me ignorant yet i bet you cant tell me anythin about how obamas policy will be implemented or what it even is. you are just another victim of blind public opinion and as you know nothing on the subject i ask you not to exert your utterly unsubstantiated opinion in my thread.
 
Well I'm not gonna post a big ass post because I don't care enough.

Note: I have not taken any karma from you because it's your opinion and well shit, I don't agree with your obviously but karma has nothing to do with this.
 
obviously i was only trying to prevent the spiraling despair that leads to a boom in one industry or another. Obviously i failed to boost consumer confidence because you people like to believe in public opinion rather than rational though. And i didnt say it was just fine i was merely defining the term recession which it wasnt in at the time.
 
Also after the next 75 days, i am curious to see how Obama will retract his original stance on foreign policy as his briefing begins. Every president alters to one degree or another their foreign policy stance once they shed their classification ignorance and meet with the National Security Council
 
right, and I suppose that's why you would have rather had a ticket in the white house where the vice president doesn't know jack shit, for example, whether africa is a continent or a country
 
Yeah because that's obama's fault. He is already fucking up the country

Oh my bad he isn't even sworn in yet.

 
it was neccessary. he guided us through the great depression. there was no time for party bickering or bullshit, shit had to get done. if he had fucked up, we wouldn't exist.
people were living in shantytowns. its real easy to wax philosoph 60-70 years down the road about the role of power of the american presidency. 1 in 5 homes would have been foreclosed on. the average american was straight up suffering...but oh yea, he totally should have been thinking about the prescident he was setting, and the amoutn of power he was giving to future prezes, who coudl potentially abuse their power (bush, reagan..)...
without FDR, we wouldn't be the most powerful country in the world, we would be nothing, what he did saved us and catapulted us into the #1 spot.
i'd love to argue more, but i forgot how much i hate these political threads. the only thing i have to say is...
na-na-na-na-naaaaaaa-naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa....have a taste of your own medicine...obama's in control now, and (OMG GOSH) he's going to do what he, the rational, intelligent,hard-working symbol of the american dream, wants. not what the lefty congress wants (this is going to be a huuuuuuuuuuuuge source of friction, i.e. carter), not what the righty neocons want (BUSH)...what is going to WORK....
GOBAMA. this is a useles thread...you can't do anything, you're not going to change anyones mind, but have fun. i'm going to go live at alta...see you clowns later
 
yea cause we all know that financial markets fluctuate, solely based on elections
you consistently meet mine, and apparently now your own view of yourself as a failure, just like your pathetic excuse for a presidential ticket this fall
 
You have all been blinded by partisanship, the more you fight each other the easier it is for the evil elite to steal everything we have, our rights, our property, and even our lives. Stop this silly infighting and recognize that its not Bush v. Obama it is You v. the Corporate State Cabal.
 
bro, you can vote for an independant party if you'd like. the options are available to everyone.

but for you comment on power currupting people. do you really believe this is true for everyone? do you really believe that everyone lives without a moral obligation to better their country when they have the opportunity?

we're talking about the next 8 years with a president who is a hardvard law grad, a 12 year political science teacher, has a highly competitive nature, and is willing to seek advice and actually listen to it. i just don't see how people think this guy isn't an amazing person. one thing i am positive about is that this guy knows how to do his homework and get an A at a comptetive level. with someone like that in office, i'm sure i'll be giving him an A at the end of his first semester.

i urge all of you who dislike him to actually read up on the guy. read about his life and his accomplishments. if you still think mccain was the right choice i don't know what to tell you, but to watch closely as this all unfolds.

also, enjoy having someone to hate. these last 8 years have been very easy for hate. someone people might find out that they miss having someone to clown on.
 
seriously jumister, don't go looking for a political argument on NS. way too many people are pulling this bullshit and it's getting pretty old. if you need to make yourself feel smart go hang out with some handicapped kids.
 
yeap... Russia is "poking around"

i also read that the Israel's are telling Obama that negotiating over there is a sign of weakness.

ill go find the article.
 
bhaha dude, seriously, you need to get a life.
i was going to tell yu that whe you said "and then in three years you'll be like OMG what was i thinking posting that" . i decided to be nice.
but for reals, its newschoolers. its a karma system... you need to get out
 
HAHAHAHA

you fucking moron.

if you're gonna blame anything, it should be the two-party system that has masqueraded as a competent form of democracy for the past century.

and how convenient that you make no mention of a GOP controlled Congress and presidency from 2000 to 2004.

you should be banned for:

1) being a douche

2) claiming obama voters know 'nothing'

3) being a tool

4) randomly mentioning foreign policy without ever explaining yourself
 
Actually no:

The New Deal Roosevelt had promised the American people began to take shape immediately after his inauguration in March 1933. Based on the assumption that the power of the federal government was needed to get the country out of the depression, the first days of Roosevelt's administration saw the passage of banking reform laws, emergency relief programs, work relief programs, and agricultural programs. Later, a second New Deal was to evolve; it included union protection programs, the Social Security Act, and programs to aid tenant farmers and migrant workers. Many of the New Deal acts or agencies came to be known by their acronyms. For example, the Works Progress Administration was known as the WPA, while the Civilian Conservation Corps was known as the CCC. Many people remarked that the New Deal programs reminded them of alphabet soup.

By 1939, the New Deal had run its course. In the short term, New Deal programs helped improve the lives of people suffering from the events of the depression. In the long run, New Deal programs set a precedent for the federal government to play a key role in the economic and social affairs of the nation.
 
Obama is not the problem, it's the system that elected him and the system he will lead. Since Andrew Jackson presidents have only wrested more and more power away from the Congress, the States, and the People. When our country was founded our presidents had few powers under the constitution, now they rule by executive orders, veto's , and an ever expanding Executive Branch. Obama is just a man and this nation idolizes, I see people with t-shirts on that have pictures of Obama and underneath it says "Believe". Believe? In a man that is going to be given more power than anyone in history? That's a cult of personality and it is destructive.

McCain would have been four more years of Bush, which is frightening as well.
 
I'm not sure I understand what you are trying to say.

I was saying I didn't take any karma, cause it's just an opinion. Not like karma matters at all anyway, but maybe it did to him, I dunno.

Why do I need to get a life, I just said I had stuff to do so I wasn't going to go into detail about why I voted for Obama, wouldn't that mean I do have a life?

Meh, let's just drop it. I don't have anything against you really, we just strongly disagree about politics, other than that you are a fine member of this site as far as know.
 
Seriously what does that have to do with the election? The DOW has been fucked for weeks, I still don't get what point you are trying to make. No one has said that Obama has an easy task ahead, this is from Nouriel Roubini who is the Professor of Economics at the Stern School of Business at NYU and Chairman of RGE Monitor. I have been following him for months and he has always been right on:

The good news is that America has just elected a president with leadership, vision and great intelligence. President Obama will also choose a first rate economic team: individuals such as Larry Summers and Tim Geithner would be excellent choices for the position of Treasury Secretary. Obama and his team are fully aware of the very difficult economic and financial challenges that the country is facing and will work hard to resolve them.

However, Obama will inherit and economic and financial mess worse than anything the U.S. has faced in decades: the most severe recession in 50 years; the worst financial and banking crisis since the Great Depression; a ballooning fiscal deficit that may be as high as a trillion dollar in 2009 and 2010; a huge current account deficit; a financial system that is in a severe crisis and where deleveraging is still occurring at a very rapid pace, thus causing a worsening of the credit crunch; a household sector where millions of households are insolvent, into negative equity territory and on the verge of losing their homes; a serious risk of deflation as the slack in goods, labor and commodity markets becomes deeper; the risk that we will end in a deflationary liquidity trap as the Fed is fast approaching the zero-bound constraint for the Fed Funds rate; the risk of a severe debt deflation as the real value of nominal liabilities will rise given price deflation while the value of financial assets is still plunging. This is the bitter gift that the Bush administration has bequeathed to Obama and the Democrats.

Given this dismal background, let us consider next in more detail the macro outlook for the U.S. and global economy and its implications for financial markets…

The latest U.S. macro news have been worse than awful: collapsing retail sales and consumption, free fall in capex spending by the corporate sector, sharply falling industrial production, sharply falling employment, housing still in free fall and home prices bound to fall 40% from the peak, collapsing auto sales, forward looking indicators of business (ISM) and consumer confidence dropping to multi-decade lows, sharp surge in corporate defaults, a wrecked banking system and financial system that will have to be partially nationalized. This is the most daunting set of economic and financial challenges that any president has had to face since FDR during the Great Depression. And in the meanwhile in the rest of the world things are as bad: a severe recession in Europe, Japan and other advanced economies; the risk of a hard landing in many emerging markets including China; an almost certain global recession; a severe global financial crisis.

So let us not delude each other: the U.S. and global recession train has left the station; the financial and banking crisis train has left the station. This will be a long and severe and protracted two year recession regardless of the best intentions and good policies of the new U.S. administration. It will take a lot of hard work and sound policies to clean up this mess and reduce the length and severity of this economic contraction.

And in the meanwhile the brief bear market sucker’s rally in the equity market has lost its steam and U.S. and global equities are starting to plunge again. As I argued for the last few weeks this was a bear market rally and markets could not defy the laws of gravity: a slew of ugly and worse than expected macro news, earnings news and financial news was bound to take a toll on equities and other risky assets. And now, after a brief rally markets are starting to plunge again. For 2009 the consensus estimates for earnings are delusional: current consensus estimates are that S&P 500 earnings per share (EPS) will be $90 in 2009 up 15% from 2008. Such estimates are outright silly and delusional. If EPS fall – as most likely – to a level of $60 then with a multiple (P/E ratio) of 12 the S&P500 index could fall to 720, i.e. 20% below current levels; if the P/E falls to 10 – as possible in a severe recession, the S&P could be down to 600 or 35% below current levels. And in a very severe recession one cannot exclude that the EPS could fall as low as $50 in 2009 dragging the S&P500 index to as low as 500. So, even based on fundamentals and valuations, there are significant downside risks to U.S. equities.So the brief sucker’s rally is over and a reality check is now dawning on markets and investors. Expect this financial crisis and economic recession to get much worse in the next 12 months before it gets any better. We are nowhere near a bottom for housing, the U.S, economy, the global economy and financial markets. The worst is ahead of us rather than behind us.

Indeed, as I put in in a note in mid-October:

So risks and vulnerabilities remain and the downside risks to financial markets (worse than expected macro news, earnings news and developments in systemically important parts of the global financial system) will dominate over the next few months the positive news (G7 policies to avoid a systemic meltdown, and other policies that – in due time – may reduce interbank spreads and credit spreads). So beware of those who tell you that we reached a bottom for risky financial assets. The same optimists told you that we reached a bottom and the worst was behind us after the rescue of the creditors of Bear Stearns in March, after the announcement of the possible bailout of Fannie and Freddie in July, after the actual bailout of Fannie and Freddie in September, after the bailout of AIG in mid September, after the TARP legislation was presented, after the latest G7 and EU action. In each case the optimists argued that the latest crisis and rescue policy response was “THE CATHARTIC” event that signaled the bottom of the crisis and the recovery of markets. They were wrong literally at least six times in a row as the crisis- as I consistently predicted here over the last year – became worse and worse.So enough of the excessive optimism that has been proven wrong at least six times in the last eight months alone. A reality check is needed to assess the proper risks and take the appropriate actions. And reality tells us that we barely literally avoided only a week ago a total systemic financial meltdown; that the policy actions are now finally more aggressive and systematic and more appropriate; that it will take a long while for interbank markets and credit markets to mend; that further important policy actions are needed to avoid the meltdown and an even more severe recession; that central banks instead of being the lenders of last resort will be for now the lenders of first and only resort; that even if we avoid a meltdown we will experience a severe US, advanced economy and most likely global recession, the worst in decades; that we are in the middle of a severe global financial and banking crisis, the worst since the Great Depression; and that the flow of macro, earnings and financial news will significantly surprise (as this past week) on the downside with significant further risks to financial markets.

All we can have is hope that Obama is the one to pull us out of this mess, and right now our country has put our faith in him, so lets show some support for our President elect.
 
well at least you're optimistic.

might as well kill yourself now, because the rest of your life is going to be hell. the system is too broken to live in and it will never change. never.

"Change is the law of life. And those who look only to the past or present are certain to miss the future" - JFK.

"It is not the strongest of the species that survive, nor the most intelligent, but the one most responsive to change. " - Darwin

"In order to change, we must be sick and tired of being sick and tired. " - Unknown

the last one hits home with you, have some hope kid. thats what elections are about. we have one day where our voice is completely heard, and now we get to see if we chose the right one. if not, there is always another election, or change.
 
Well, while we're cutting and pasting from the Library of Congress page:

"When Japan attacked the U.S.

Naval base at Pearl Harbor, Hawaii, on December 7, 1941, the United States found itself in

the war it had sought to avoid for more than two years. Mobilizing the economy for world

war finally cured the depression.
Millions of men and women joined the armed forces, and

even larger numbers went to work in well-paying defense jobs. World War Two affected the

world and the United States profoundly; it continues to influence us even today."

You didn't think anybody would actually believe you wrote that, did you?

 
Excuse me. Do you make more than 250k a year? No, you don't, so shut the fuck up with your complaining about Obama's economic policies. YOU'RE GETTING A TAX CUT. Of course Americans abuse the system. But that's a problem with the mentality of the American people, not with the policies in place. No matter what the welfare system is, people will figure out a way to work the system. So how about you quit bitching about Obama taking away from "the successful classes" (of which you are most definitely not a part of, unless we're counting your parents' money) and try and do something about all of the lazy americans you hate so much.
 
First I'm no kid, but I'm no ageist either.

I have hope for real change, change that is real. What will Obama change? He was elected by the Democratic Party, a party that has been around for over 100 years. The only change that is happening is that we won't have Bush in office anymore. Obama will be the one starting wars and spending our nation into a pit of debt instead. Think back to Clinton how many conflicts was he involved in overseas, Bosnia, Kosovo, Somalia. Clinton shot cruise missiles into Iraq killing innocent people and supported sanctions against Iraq that starved thousands upon thousands. Obama has already said he will do the same. He wants to amp up the war in Afghanistan and has taken a hard line on Pakistan and Iran (his speech to the AIPAC).

I'm not sick and tired, I'm motivated for change, but not the for Obama's rhetoric of "change".
 
Absolutely not, sorry for not citing the source. FDR came into office in a very similar situation as right now, Herbert Hoover had the lowest approval rating of a President to date, similar to Bush, FDR won in a landslide and tried to implement new policy to stabilize the economy.

taken from http://iws.ccccd.edu/kwilkison/Online1302home/20th%20Century/DepressionNewDeal.html

World War II ended both the temporary New Deal programs and the Depression they were attempting to cure. Keep in mind that many facets of the New Deal--Social Security, the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation and the Securities and Exchange Commission to name only three--have remained features of American life from the 1930s until the present.

War ended the Depression simply because of increased government spending, an intensified version of what Roosevelt was already doing with the WPA and similar programs.. Responding to the external threats posed by the Axis Powers (Germany, Japan and Italy) Roosevelt and the Congress threw fiscal caution to the wind and spent what was necessary to win the war. In so doing, they also achieved pre-Depression levels of employment and prosperity.

What then is the legacy of the New Deal as a whole? Would it have ended the Depression? The best answer to that is that it went a long way toward alleviating the worst suffering of the Depression while still being captive to the conventional thinking (political, fiscal, racial) of the day. We cannot answer that question of whether it could have ended the Depression based on historical facts. World War II interrupted the process.

I am simply saying that FDR's plan gained headway in a dismal economy. Obama has a very rough road ahead of him and it won't be easy, the two situations are very comparable
 
Why does it matter what class I'm in? I was stating that aiding the laziness of americans isn't going to help anyone. I think if you're successful you shouldn't be taxed more.
 
Jumister, your bitching and moaning is music to my ears. keep whining your cunt off. seriously, i couldn't be happier right now knowing that you're upset and i really mean that. you're just this loud-mouth know-it-all and i'm SO happy to see you just yammering on about things you know almost nothing about. keep it up, your tears make my day, you conservative fuck.
 
obama will barely put a dent into the incomes of the people whom he's taxing. just because there are people taking advantage of welfare doesn't mean that there aren't people benefiting from it.
 
i would almost fully agree with the thread creator because although many of u dems will never admit it, the minority vote and in many cases first time voters are what one the election for obama. this is not racism by any means because its fact. all policies aside, this election was turned into something more about race than it should have been. i would vote for obama anyways but when i see the media swaying this election was ridiculous, and then sheer ignorance of so many obama votes will come back to bite our whole nation.
 
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