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JD, I truly appreciated that post.
"I think what you should be telling him to read is Huntington... I highly suggest everyone do so, I know I sure got a laugh out of it. At any rate, these people are not “fighting the western world�, that again is an oversimplification. There are many motives for each individual attack and the diverse groups responsible for these sorts of actions should not be referred to as if they’re a unified body bent on destroying us all. They are in fact massively fragmented and more often at odds with each other than with us, so suggesting that an “Us versus them� mentality is the way to go here is really pretty foolish. The relationship is much more complicated."
I'll agree that the "fighting the entire western world" thing was an oversimplification. Al Queda by its very nature can't be a singular organized group. The fact that the organization has "Sleeper cells" suggests everything but an organized core with directly linked branches. Cells receive training methods for that "core" and gets directions to attack targets, and that's pretty much where the similarities stop. Each cell has an agenda of its own in some way. However, they do share similarities in one way or another, which is why they attach themselves to AQ in the first place.
"That rings like propaganda in my ears, for one simple reason: there’s a lot of truth to it. It’s still extremely manipulative, though... we shouldn’t be encouraging a perspective of hate even for groups that deserve it because rabid mob-mentalities are the inevitable result of that strategy. Terrorists are individually subject to an analysis much as any criminal or psychopath is and shouldn’t be classified as animals in the way you’re implying, because they’re not all “beasts with no respect for life whose sole motive is destruction.� ... they have a (pretty screwed up) thought process, logical reasoning, and susceptibility to persuasion and manipulation by authority figures just as we do. These people are a threat and need to be stopped, but the way we depict them can either help us in achieving that or represent an extremely dangerous element in our efforts to stop them..."
"...This kind of scares me because it's a precursor to lumping everyone who looks at terrorism from a non-absolute, non-oversimplified viewpoint as “sympathizers�. Don’t get me wrong, I still say kill them all, I just think your way of looking at this is horribly wrong and a bit frightening."
Just personal feelings. I've been all over the world and seen many different kinds of people and cultures. I have grown to have little respect for people like this. As a whole, many people are helpful and poses a good nature, whether its in Scotland or Laos. I understand that they have a thought process, logical reasoning, etc., just like any other human being. But the fact that they can "rationally" come to the conclusion of attempting to kill as many innocent people as possible "justifiably" simply sickens me. I don't care what kind of life or background they come from. Many even think little of killing themselves in the process. This is testimony that their regard for life is lower. They believe even with the pain and suffering they cause, that an afterlife will sort out the good people from the bad. That does not make it fair to any but themselves. There is no proof of what the afterlife is like, or even the fact that there is one. I don't care if its some grunt insurgent or Osama himself, they are the lowest order of humans on earth. Their outlook on life is minimal. I call them animals because they show me little to call them anything greater. There is also little to show that they are willing to change their discussing course in life. Hence my degree of distaste for sympathizers. Sympathy shows an extent of support, regardless of how small or large. Call it as scary as you like, but it is my personal opinion.
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Q: How many NS.com members does it take to answer a simple question?
A: 10. One to answer, three to say 'How fucking stupid are you?', three to say 'This has already been asked a thousand times', and three to say 'Who the fuck cares anyway?'
-kamikaze
**Proud member of the d-loc fanclub**
"I think what you should be telling him to read is Huntington... I highly suggest everyone do so, I know I sure got a laugh out of it. At any rate, these people are not “fighting the western world�, that again is an oversimplification. There are many motives for each individual attack and the diverse groups responsible for these sorts of actions should not be referred to as if they’re a unified body bent on destroying us all. They are in fact massively fragmented and more often at odds with each other than with us, so suggesting that an “Us versus them� mentality is the way to go here is really pretty foolish. The relationship is much more complicated."
I'll agree that the "fighting the entire western world" thing was an oversimplification. Al Queda by its very nature can't be a singular organized group. The fact that the organization has "Sleeper cells" suggests everything but an organized core with directly linked branches. Cells receive training methods for that "core" and gets directions to attack targets, and that's pretty much where the similarities stop. Each cell has an agenda of its own in some way. However, they do share similarities in one way or another, which is why they attach themselves to AQ in the first place.
"That rings like propaganda in my ears, for one simple reason: there’s a lot of truth to it. It’s still extremely manipulative, though... we shouldn’t be encouraging a perspective of hate even for groups that deserve it because rabid mob-mentalities are the inevitable result of that strategy. Terrorists are individually subject to an analysis much as any criminal or psychopath is and shouldn’t be classified as animals in the way you’re implying, because they’re not all “beasts with no respect for life whose sole motive is destruction.� ... they have a (pretty screwed up) thought process, logical reasoning, and susceptibility to persuasion and manipulation by authority figures just as we do. These people are a threat and need to be stopped, but the way we depict them can either help us in achieving that or represent an extremely dangerous element in our efforts to stop them..."
"...This kind of scares me because it's a precursor to lumping everyone who looks at terrorism from a non-absolute, non-oversimplified viewpoint as “sympathizers�. Don’t get me wrong, I still say kill them all, I just think your way of looking at this is horribly wrong and a bit frightening."
Just personal feelings. I've been all over the world and seen many different kinds of people and cultures. I have grown to have little respect for people like this. As a whole, many people are helpful and poses a good nature, whether its in Scotland or Laos. I understand that they have a thought process, logical reasoning, etc., just like any other human being. But the fact that they can "rationally" come to the conclusion of attempting to kill as many innocent people as possible "justifiably" simply sickens me. I don't care what kind of life or background they come from. Many even think little of killing themselves in the process. This is testimony that their regard for life is lower. They believe even with the pain and suffering they cause, that an afterlife will sort out the good people from the bad. That does not make it fair to any but themselves. There is no proof of what the afterlife is like, or even the fact that there is one. I don't care if its some grunt insurgent or Osama himself, they are the lowest order of humans on earth. Their outlook on life is minimal. I call them animals because they show me little to call them anything greater. There is also little to show that they are willing to change their discussing course in life. Hence my degree of distaste for sympathizers. Sympathy shows an extent of support, regardless of how small or large. Call it as scary as you like, but it is my personal opinion.
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Q: How many NS.com members does it take to answer a simple question?
A: 10. One to answer, three to say 'How fucking stupid are you?', three to say 'This has already been asked a thousand times', and three to say 'Who the fuck cares anyway?'
-kamikaze
**Proud member of the d-loc fanclub**
