Terrorist Bombs in London
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It's rather interesting to see how different a lot of you guys are reacting to this compared with when it happened to you and the twin towers.
For a start, most of you are so self-righteous and ignorant that you couldn't begin to understand this. Eg, why would this be about London winning the Olympic bid? No one gives a fuck about the Olympics, especially not any group responsible for these attacks. And whoever said that aid for Africa was achieved through the Live 8 concerts, dude, go home, the concerts didn't achieve anything but to entertain Western countries such as our own. Most African nations and the people in them don't know what Live 8 is, let alone who any of the performers were. That's why they hastely put together the South Africa concert (which around 4,000 people went to). And the proceeds from the concerts aren't going to a thing, they need real help, they need food, fresh water, peacekeepers, teachers, and don't say that money will buy all these things because it won't and it certainly hasn't in the past - but most of you will be too young to remember anyway.
Interesting again, that around 40 people died in London yesterday and we'll see nothing else but replays and interviews on TV non-stop for the next two weeks. And yet 30,000 people die every single day on another continent from genocide, hunger, poverty and another mans greed and yet no one gives a fuck. Bush and Blair invade Iraq to 'liberate' the population and yet they stand by as Mugabe rapes and pillages Zimbabwe.
Fuck this world man, I'm gonna go live under the sea...
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For a start, most of you are so self-righteous and ignorant that you couldn't begin to understand this. Eg, why would this be about London winning the Olympic bid? No one gives a fuck about the Olympics, especially not any group responsible for these attacks. And whoever said that aid for Africa was achieved through the Live 8 concerts, dude, go home, the concerts didn't achieve anything but to entertain Western countries such as our own. Most African nations and the people in them don't know what Live 8 is, let alone who any of the performers were. That's why they hastely put together the South Africa concert (which around 4,000 people went to). And the proceeds from the concerts aren't going to a thing, they need real help, they need food, fresh water, peacekeepers, teachers, and don't say that money will buy all these things because it won't and it certainly hasn't in the past - but most of you will be too young to remember anyway.
Interesting again, that around 40 people died in London yesterday and we'll see nothing else but replays and interviews on TV non-stop for the next two weeks. And yet 30,000 people die every single day on another continent from genocide, hunger, poverty and another mans greed and yet no one gives a fuck. Bush and Blair invade Iraq to 'liberate' the population and yet they stand by as Mugabe rapes and pillages Zimbabwe.
Fuck this world man, I'm gonna go live under the sea...
~~Phunkin Phatt Phreerider~~
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i heard it was headed by some arab dude. i am suprised that tthe British wern't suspisious of the IRA. they get bombed all the time by those dudes. why couldn't they just let the Irish have their potatoes.
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how do you know he isnt trying to?
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I agree with what your saying tim, but Live 8, and make poverty history isnt about raising money to fight poverty.
I hate how you cant have a good discussion on newschoolers without it turning into a bitchfight. Some people just need to grow up.
I hate how you cant have a good discussion on newschoolers without it turning into a bitchfight. Some people just need to grow up.
Tim, I'm with you 100% there. Why the fuck don't we, the USA, help places that fucking need it? I've said all along that terrorism is a small problem in the world, and NOT one that should be focused on by our politicians. You said it exactly, a few thousand a year (that's a high estimate) die from terrorism, yet 30,000+ a day die from PREVENTABLE diseases. How much fucking clearer does it have to be?
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im sorry i turned it into a bitch fight, but his "holier than thou" attitude pissed the fuck out of me.
Sure, Terrorism is a minor problem, but its the one that affects us, directly. I hate to be selfish, but its human nature. Back to what i said to phattytim or whatever his name is, if your so grand, and the US and such pisses you off so much, why dont you go join the peace corps and make a difference? oh, thats right, you'd rather get on with your own life, hyppocrite.
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Sure, Terrorism is a minor problem, but its the one that affects us, directly. I hate to be selfish, but its human nature. Back to what i said to phattytim or whatever his name is, if your so grand, and the US and such pisses you off so much, why dont you go join the peace corps and make a difference? oh, thats right, you'd rather get on with your own life, hyppocrite.
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Well im sorry for sounding "holier than thou", i didnt mean to. And for you calling me a hypocrite, you cant say that without knowing me, im actually spending my whole summer helping street kids from the kibera slum in kenya, so i am trying to do my little bit to help fight poverty. So stop assuming things about me when you dont actually know me.
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ok i just read your thread properly, haha
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Melvs, Quinny, PhattTim: Keep on Fighting the good fight, I don't have the time right now.
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I think the only people with a 'holier than thou' attitude are the muppets that supposedly "rule" our planet. The very idea of a 'G8' summit glorifies themselves and tries to put them in a position of power over other nations. Quite simply, and I'm not saying this about any of you cats in here, most of you are alright, America and Britain do think they are better than everyone else. More powerful maybe, richer, yes, better? Not by any means.
The balance of power is extremely unjust, richer nations are getting richer, poorer nations are falling harder and faster than ever. It's sad but who cares? Apparently no one. It's all well and good to have a G8 summit but what will come from it? They've been having these meetings for years but I don't see no change, I don't see poverty being faught, I don't see dictators being overthrown, I don't see aid being put where it shoudl be, people helped or national debt being cancelled. The only country that's cancelled debt is China, China for crying out loud!! They just erased 2 billion dollars worth of national debt owing to them. China has enough worries of it's own internally and yet they do that, now that's nice. And our big, flash, McDonalds scoffing Western leaders can't even do that,
Pretty sad state of affairs really...
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The balance of power is extremely unjust, richer nations are getting richer, poorer nations are falling harder and faster than ever. It's sad but who cares? Apparently no one. It's all well and good to have a G8 summit but what will come from it? They've been having these meetings for years but I don't see no change, I don't see poverty being faught, I don't see dictators being overthrown, I don't see aid being put where it shoudl be, people helped or national debt being cancelled. The only country that's cancelled debt is China, China for crying out loud!! They just erased 2 billion dollars worth of national debt owing to them. China has enough worries of it's own internally and yet they do that, now that's nice. And our big, flash, McDonalds scoffing Western leaders can't even do that,
Pretty sad state of affairs really...
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With 6 billion people in the world I find it hard that the 100 percent will ever be fully content withstanding the fact that our population is only rising quickly. The real things Africans need is birth control and a more sane method of reproduction. Feeding hungry people will only make more and more hungry people. In 100 year Africas population will be 16 times greater, are western cultures making them fuck like Rabbits?
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Several reasons the IRA have been ruled out:
1. They are petty much defunct.
2. When the IRA attacked public places, they commonly issued an advanced warnings.
3. IRA targets tended to be government buildings and establishments.
4. The groups claiming responsibility for these attacks are Islamic (and wrote their claim in the Arab language). I don't know about you, but I doubt the IRA has any desire to learn Arabic.
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1. They are petty much defunct.
2. When the IRA attacked public places, they commonly issued an advanced warnings.
3. IRA targets tended to be government buildings and establishments.
4. The groups claiming responsibility for these attacks are Islamic (and wrote their claim in the Arab language). I don't know about you, but I doubt the IRA has any desire to learn Arabic.
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Are you really that dumb?
Maybe it wasn't the IRA but do you honestly think that just because they've always done something in a certain way that they always will? Maybe they didn't want to claim responsibility either, think of that smartass?
Go back to school douchebag...
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Maybe it wasn't the IRA but do you honestly think that just because they've always done something in a certain way that they always will? Maybe they didn't want to claim responsibility either, think of that smartass?
Go back to school douchebag...
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Those are strong words. Sounds like you are looking for a fight.
I actually would bet money that its not the IRA. What do they have to gain bombing now? I hope you've been following current events for the last 20 years, because its been a long frickin time since the IRA have done anything.
That logic you used has some merit, but it spans a canyon much to big for reason. To to carry that logic further, lets include France for the hell of it, or how about the Scottish.
I think there is little to support the possibility of the IRA. Its called reasonable doubt and deduction. Detectives and annalists do it all the time. Use your head. Its an opinion to boot. You can take it and do what you want with it.
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Its funny that the post wasn't even directed at you, and you come in blazing your insult guns. Name calling right off the bat. Your a big real man PhattTim.
Long-Sorty-Short...Take a mother fucking chill pill. I don't know what you are playing at, but don't be so pissy.
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I actually would bet money that its not the IRA. What do they have to gain bombing now? I hope you've been following current events for the last 20 years, because its been a long frickin time since the IRA have done anything.
That logic you used has some merit, but it spans a canyon much to big for reason. To to carry that logic further, lets include France for the hell of it, or how about the Scottish.
I think there is little to support the possibility of the IRA. Its called reasonable doubt and deduction. Detectives and annalists do it all the time. Use your head. Its an opinion to boot. You can take it and do what you want with it.
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Its funny that the post wasn't even directed at you, and you come in blazing your insult guns. Name calling right off the bat. Your a big real man PhattTim.
Long-Sorty-Short...Take a mother fucking chill pill. I don't know what you are playing at, but don't be so pissy.
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Not hating, just bored shitless,
and you're probably right, it's more than likely that it isn't the IRA but I think they are most definitely not defunct, merely dormant. And as you mentioned before, they typically tend not to deliberatly harm innocent citizens in favour of more targetted attacks.
It would be an interesting situation to consider, however. As you said, what do they have to gain from it but just think for a second of the implications of it. The IRA shuts down London's transport system, sure. The blame will instantly go to 'terrorists', of course. So here you go with a nice little attack, that's uncharacteristic of your group and the blame rests heavily on someone else, interesting...
I also struggle to see the links that are being drawn between these attacks and Iraq or Al Queda. It's a little bizzarre as there really is very minimal ties between the two. Al Queda and Saddam/Iraq, 2 very different issues. An Al Queda associated group has claimed responsibility but like the IRA, what do they have to gain from it? Aside from mindlessly causing shit. 9/11 was very bold and carried a strong message. There is no message here. However, an extremest group from Iraq, sure, you can understand that, get your troops out or we blow up your pretty red buses.
In short, I don't think the powers at be really have clue what's going on...
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and you're probably right, it's more than likely that it isn't the IRA but I think they are most definitely not defunct, merely dormant. And as you mentioned before, they typically tend not to deliberatly harm innocent citizens in favour of more targetted attacks.
It would be an interesting situation to consider, however. As you said, what do they have to gain from it but just think for a second of the implications of it. The IRA shuts down London's transport system, sure. The blame will instantly go to 'terrorists', of course. So here you go with a nice little attack, that's uncharacteristic of your group and the blame rests heavily on someone else, interesting...
I also struggle to see the links that are being drawn between these attacks and Iraq or Al Queda. It's a little bizzarre as there really is very minimal ties between the two. Al Queda and Saddam/Iraq, 2 very different issues. An Al Queda associated group has claimed responsibility but like the IRA, what do they have to gain from it? Aside from mindlessly causing shit. 9/11 was very bold and carried a strong message. There is no message here. However, an extremest group from Iraq, sure, you can understand that, get your troops out or we blow up your pretty red buses.
In short, I don't think the powers at be really have clue what's going on...
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seriously one the best threads since a long time, im really glad to see how many people can respond to this, it shows that u do care and atleast u are open minded,
personally i think the attacks were to scare people through out the world, it does not matter what group did it, the main purpose of this attack was to cause terror, hence the fact it was terrorism.
no matter what terrorism lies within everyone, that is why the war on terrorism is complete bullshit, there is no end to it, u begin with one life being lost and it then causes revenge on the person who did it, there is no end to the fact, it is like a domino effect that keeps going on forever, one attack will effect the other attack to happen whether it is a nation who attacks in response to a terrorist attack or it is a group of people who are extreme in what they believe in, terrorism is just a word, the subject around it is far more heavier and bigger than we can imagine.
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personally i think the attacks were to scare people through out the world, it does not matter what group did it, the main purpose of this attack was to cause terror, hence the fact it was terrorism.
no matter what terrorism lies within everyone, that is why the war on terrorism is complete bullshit, there is no end to it, u begin with one life being lost and it then causes revenge on the person who did it, there is no end to the fact, it is like a domino effect that keeps going on forever, one attack will effect the other attack to happen whether it is a nation who attacks in response to a terrorist attack or it is a group of people who are extreme in what they believe in, terrorism is just a word, the subject around it is far more heavier and bigger than we can imagine.
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I disagree that 'terrorism lies within everyone'. In a sense maybe, but fundamentally, no. Emotion lies within everyone, the 'potential' for terrorism lies within everyone but not as an executable actio it doesn't, mainly because some people choose to use, or actually have, an ounce of self control.
The need for revenge would probably lie within most people, the decision to actually manifest that idea as an action doesn't have to become apparent but certainly has the potential to. For example, someone kills someone else's family, every single person, in a brutal, horrible murder. The victim who survives will of course have a natural, burning desire to cause harm to the person that did this to them, but they do have a choice whether they do or not.
Unfortunatley, the world is so full of greed and hatred that we could never live in a society without this sort of thing. Makes me a sad panda...
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The need for revenge would probably lie within most people, the decision to actually manifest that idea as an action doesn't have to become apparent but certainly has the potential to. For example, someone kills someone else's family, every single person, in a brutal, horrible murder. The victim who survives will of course have a natural, burning desire to cause harm to the person that did this to them, but they do have a choice whether they do or not.
Unfortunatley, the world is so full of greed and hatred that we could never live in a society without this sort of thing. Makes me a sad panda...
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AGAIN, WHERE THE FUCK DOES NATELEE HOLLOWAY FIT INTO ALL THIS??????????????????????????
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I pretty much agree with that. Keep in mind though Al Queda is brought to mind because their recent (last 5 years) on the worlds stage. That attack itself seems to bear characteristics of Al Queda attacks as well, which is to primarily harm innocent civilians. Also, the group that claims responsibility for the attack call themselves the “Al Queda Jihad of Europe� (or something like that).
Even though there is limited connection between Al Queda and Saddom itself, that is somewhat beside the point. Al Queda is using the US presence in Iraq to “fuel the fie.� They are by no means neutral on the Iraqi conflict. It’s one more excuse for them to continue to murder people. That’s is where the connection comes from.
Al Queda wants to continue to prove itself as a functioning threat and to keep GB and the US out of the Middle East. I think that is their likely angle.
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Even though there is limited connection between Al Queda and Saddom itself, that is somewhat beside the point. Al Queda is using the US presence in Iraq to “fuel the fie.� They are by no means neutral on the Iraqi conflict. It’s one more excuse for them to continue to murder people. That’s is where the connection comes from.
Al Queda wants to continue to prove itself as a functioning threat and to keep GB and the US out of the Middle East. I think that is their likely angle.
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I don't know what to think, but to the people who say that the coutries, most notably the US and england deserve what they got do not know what they are saying. Yes both countries have leaders who might have made bad decisions invading Iraq and doing more bad than good, but for the terrorists to wreak havoc on the public isn't the right thing to do. I also don't believe that racial screening should come into the picture because everyone is so diverse, there are the muslims who condone what their fellow muslim brethren are doing, and then there are the extremist and that is what they are extremist muslims who whole heartedly believe the quaran is telling them to fight the powers that be and kill. I believe that racial profiling would just lead to more issues and attacks from different culture and just fuel the fire sort of how african americans hate police. I wish that on newschoolers we could all be mature, and have an intelligent coversation without all of the name calling and shit, but I don't think this will ever happen. I think we all need to realize that everyone has their own opinions and accept them and discuss/debate these opinions instead of harassing each other.
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"Yes both countries have leaders who might have made bad decisions invading Iraq and doing more bad than good"
Firstly Tony Blair had to join George Bush to keep the alliance between the US and the UK strong. So he he was put into a position by Bush that didnt give him a free choice.
I think Tony Blair made a good decision on joining Bush in invading Iraq, he kinda talked a little sense into Bush and I think if he hadnt, the effects of the war would have been worse.
So i think only the US has a leader who made a bad decision invading Iraq
Firstly Tony Blair had to join George Bush to keep the alliance between the US and the UK strong. So he he was put into a position by Bush that didnt give him a free choice.
I think Tony Blair made a good decision on joining Bush in invading Iraq, he kinda talked a little sense into Bush and I think if he hadnt, the effects of the war would have been worse.
So i think only the US has a leader who made a bad decision invading Iraq
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i believe iraq was seen as needing help BUT thats just their "output" reason. i think the reason is b/c its a strategic point for this "war on terror". it puts us directly over there, so there is a strong presence. al queda declared war on the us in 99 and they never said that the war was over or anything. i think the government saw their chance to get in the middle east where all the muslim extremeists originate from.
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Or blair could have done like france and germany and just say hey bush fuck you. I think that if what you say is true blair is worse than bush in the sense that at least bush has the balls to do what others don't see fit, but blair is just a follower and not a leader, Don't get me wrong I don't like bush, but I don't think that Blair is that much better of a leader than bush.
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I think Blair could be looked at as a follower, but that doesnt make him a bad leader, he did what is best for the UK by keeping the alliance with the US as strong as it was, as well as limiting the effects of the war. I think there would have been a lot more casualties in Iraq if Blair hadnt joined. Plus the fact that Blair helped bush out, means that the UK have a bit more power in the sense that when it comes to trying to persuade Bush to cut down on emmissions and other stuff like that, he may just listen. Hey its just my opinion, but i think Blair is a good leader, and a much better leader than Bush will ever be.
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^ Did you not just read what i said? he makes decisions that are for the best for the country, and he toned Bush down and made the effects of the war not so big. Both of these things makes him a good leader. and not a sheep who just does everything bush says, he also doesnt just think about the good of his country but of the world, eg. trying to tackle global warming, unlike Bush. Anyway, Bush doesnt act on what he believes in or at least on what he says, he didnt go into to Iraq to liberate it, he went in to get oil. Look at N korea, Burma and Zimbabwe, i dont see Bush going in there to "liberate" them.
I love it... one of the most intelligent members ever to grace newschoolers with his presence makes a triumphant and inspired return, and is greeted with "dumbfuck", "shithead" and other classic NS repartees. Just shows you the state of affairs on this website haven’t really improved in the last 2 weeks.
I was accosted this morning by some NSer on MSN, an event which encouraged me to make some sort of a post on here, even if it’s just one. And hey, Tim did... So, I’ll toss something into the ring too. I said I’d post if there was some reason to, anyway, and lo and behold, this thread! Anyone remember when these things were actually fairly common in NSG? Ah, internet nostalgia...Time for a cut and paste hack job, as one of my posts was once referred to.
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Let’s also have senatorial inquiries into hollywood personages who might be supporting the terrorist philosophy; witch hunts and the like. Oh Senator McCarthy, where are ye when we need ye most? The biggest problem with racial profiling is that it’s notoriously unreliable. Dumb kids like you and kingshit see some 6 foot 4 guy with a beard and a turban walking through the airport and go, “Oh shit, he might blow me up�... in fact he’s possibly the lowest potential threat in the building. Firstly, an organized attacker will take precautions not to appear to be an attacker. That’s just common sense, but to take that further, a muslim attacker will ALWAYS be cleanshaven, washed, and perfumed, because they prefer to be clean and pure for what could very well be their final days. Essentially the practice of racial profiling is only useful to assuage the fears of the ignorant that the “towel heads� are having their bags searched, so it’s safe to get on the airplane... in reality it might even be counterproductive if it shifts attention away from more likely perpetrators.
“Oh yeah Melvs lets just be ignorant as your post and close our eyes and pretend that it's only the "extremists" who do it. Hmmmm let me think who the extremists are... hmmm... this is going to be a hard answer... oh yeah TOWEL HEADS! Now I understand that not all extremists are towel heads but guess what I bet 95% of them are�
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Ok, it is only the extremists who do it, first of all... show me a moderate muslim who occasionally steps out to rig himself up a car bomb, you idiot. Secondly, 99% of extremists are men, but I don’t see any suggestion that all men should submit to cavity searches. You can come up with statistics favouring certain denominations of the population for anything... “Oh, there was a convenience store robbery in a large metropolitan center, go round up some black people for questioning because 70 some odd percent of those small-time crooks tend to be black apparently�... but it sets a fairly disturbing precedent.
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Digging yourself quite the hole, here... are you seriously suggesting that Al Qaeda gets together on weekends to break out their European history textbooks? No, this is anot a matter of Islam vs. Christianity, it’s a matter of indoctrination (on both sides, but I’m talking about the Muslim world here) whereby they’ve been taught their entire lives that the west is evil because they exploit and destroy. Are they right? Who the hell cares, they’re still blowing nice innocent Americans up and need to die. I’m not debating that point. But when you make a Holy Biblical Crusade out of this relationship you’re making an ass of yourself and setting up a dangerous mindset. Worse still, you’re subscribing to absolutes... does a historical relationship play a role in the attitudes that extremists have towards the west? Absolutely. Is it the underlying premise on which their entire belief structure is based? That’s up for debate. Is it “all we need to know�? Ridiculous, there are ALWAYS multiple causes and multiple explanations and your attempt to boil this down into an oversimplification exposes you as a simpleton yourself... not that that was a tough conclusion to reach given the rest of the crap you’ve posted in here.
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-Stowebum
It seems to me that some of you have a real problem with anyone who IS muslim... aren’t we westerners supposed to be the “enlightened, rational ones�? So much for THAT theory.
“ Cutting peoples heads off and praising Allah is fighting for freedom from the western world? Blowing up innocent people in other countries is also fighting for freedom.�
-Kingshit
Uh, yes, it’s one method. A really crazy method, but a method nonetheless. And if you’re against blowing up innocent people in other countries, you might want to break out the good stationary and whip up a letter to the White House, because apparently they didn’t get that memo yet.
“ immona blow upany motherfucka who wants to blow me up before they can do it. what we should do is start an empire like rome and take over the entire middle east cause thier culture doesnt work. its completly based on war and suppresion of women because thats its history. fuck them i say we take it for ourselves and set up beaches and shit. latin america hasnt bombed nyhting since the europeans took that over and that was the fucking 15hundreds�
-PeterTosh
We’ll call this exhibit A as to why ski companies make a point of telling their riders not to post anything even mildly inflammatory on this website. 9W, put a farkin’ leash on this kid already.
“It's our fault trying to give people in our country equal rights, treating women with respect and not like they are dogs. Allowing people to do what they want with their lifes and not being dictated upon them.�
-Kingshit
Yeah, I bet it’s that that’s really steaming their clams over there... not all the bombing, economic hegemon activity and subtle manipulation over the last, say, 50 years, because that’s peanuts to those people. They just can’t stand that our women don’t have cloths on their faces. You’re a genius, I’m nominating you for a Nobel as we speak.
“ How can you even compare the two? Holy shit you people are fucked in the head.�
-Kingshit
Dead innocent people are dead innocent people? It’s not like one of ours is worth 10 of theirs... is it?
“Off hand I think it could very well be a Muslim fundamentalist group. But there is indeed a possibility of another party. That’s just my gut feeling and none of us will be certain who did it for a while.�
-Quinny
Probably is. They need to die, too, just to be clear here. I have no issue with the asumption that this is an Al Qaeda linked group; usually when AQ takes responsibility for something it ends up being linked to them somehow.
“ Open your eyes. The cesspool of al Qaida is not fighting the US...they are fighting the ENTIRE WESTERN WORLD. The United Kingdom is as much apart of the world as the United States. GB is a primarily Christian country too. Many other nations have suffered terrorist attacks. Read a damn history book.�
-Quinny
I think what you should be telling him to read is Huntington... I highly suggest everyone do so, I know I sure got a laugh out of it. At any rate, these people are not “fighting the western world�, that again is an oversimplification. There are many motives for each individual attack and the diverse groups responsible for these sorts of actions should not be referred to as if they’re a unified body bent on destroying us all. They are in fact massively fragmented and more often at odds with each other than with us, so suggesting that an “Us versus them� mentality is the way to go here is really pretty foolish. The relationship is much more complicated.
“ Terrorists are the lowest forms of life on this planet. They don’t fucking discriminate who they kill. Whether it’s the Iraqi insurgents, Timothy McVeigh, or that piece of shit bin Laden. They’ll murderer innocent people for their sick little voices to be heard. It doesn’t matter if their American, politicians, solders, or even their own fucking people. Life has no value to these animals. They deserve no treatment that is considered just for human beings. They are worth less than that.�
-Quinny
That rings like propaganda in my ears, for one simple reason: there’s a lot of truth to it. It’s still extremely manipulative, though... we shouldn’t be encouraging a perspective of hate even for groups that deserve it because rabid mob-mentalities are the inevitable result of that strategy. Terrorists are individually subject to an analysis much as any criminal or psychopath is and shouldn’t be classified as animals in the way you’re implying, because they’re not all “beasts with no respect for life whose sole motive is destruction.� ... they have a (pretty screwed up) thought process, logical reasoning, and susceptibility to persuasion and manipulation by authority figures just as we do. These people are a threat and need to be stopped, but the way we depict them can either help us in achieving that or represent an extremely dangerous element in our efforts to stop them.
“ Anybody who even thinks of sympathizing with them are also scum, and as far as I’m concord, can rot with them.�
-Quinny again
This kind of scares me because it’s a precursor to lumping everyone who looks at terrorism from a non-absolute, non-oversimplified viewpoint as “sympathizers�. Don’t get me wrong, I still say kill them all, I just think your way of looking at this is horribly wrong and a bit frightening.
“ fuck off asshole�
“ you have no right to call anyone ignorant and shit when ur from fuckin new zealand when the only thing news worthy is a firefighter rescued a cat out of a fuckin tree�
“ hahaha- yeah fat tim you fuckin asshole you just got owned�
-Stowebum
He’s smarter than you are. Much, much smarter. I can’t really effectively express how stupid you look right now. If that causes you discomfort, go cry about it, but don’t ever post again.
“ Sure, Terrorism is a minor problem, but its the one that affects us, directly. I hate to be selfish, but its human nature.�
-Tweaks_rock_me
I have to disagree with you, I’m of the opinion that any decent person is in some way altruistic and if you can get over certain arbitrary bonds you may feel towards people of the same level of wealth and education as you are you’d probably feel as much sympathy for the poverty stricken African people as you do for anyone else. That’s the real holier than thou attitude here, the assumption that it’s “just human nature� not to care about dying people in the third world. Perspective is a very important thing to maintain.
“With 6 billion people in the world I find it hard that the 100 percent will ever be fully content withstanding the fact that our population is only rising quickly. The real things Africans need is birth control and a more sane method of reproduction. Feeding hungry people will only make more and more hungry people. In 100 year Africas population will be 16 times greater, are western cultures making them fuck like Rabbits?�
-Ski-hobo
Touche, but this is hardly a reason to discard them... as a matter of fact much of the problem is a societal tendency towards the assumptions that a) I’m not going to live that long anyway, who cares about aids, b) Using protection is a socially unacceptable practice and I feel ashamed, and c) all this birth control stuff is too troublesome and expensive because it costs money i could be spending on food and it isn’t readily available to me. A, B, and C can be influenced should emphasis and a whoooooole lot of money be put into them. It’s just not a priority right now because it doesn’t have the immediate public effect of a couple of buildings falling down, understandably enough. If it ever did we could do something about it and hopefully the population crisis simultaneously. It would just take a ridiculous amount of resources that no one’s willing to commit right now. Possibly ever.
“ ^ Shows what kind of man Tony Blair is I guess by not doing what he truly believes in. Instead like you said he is just a puppet who gets pressured into things. Great leader you got there. “
-Kingshit
If a leader “does what he believes in� to the extent that those beliefs cause more harm than good to his nation and people, I’d be inclined to call him a worse leader. It’d be like a bus driver who very firmly and authoritatively drives himself and his passengers off a clliff. In fact, many leaders are forced by global pressures to take actions that they don’t believe in... that’s just life.
Great thread, would read again, A+++++++++
I’m out again. Keep the thread going, it really is one of the better ones in a while.
I was accosted this morning by some NSer on MSN, an event which encouraged me to make some sort of a post on here, even if it’s just one. And hey, Tim did... So, I’ll toss something into the ring too. I said I’d post if there was some reason to, anyway, and lo and behold, this thread! Anyone remember when these things were actually fairly common in NSG? Ah, internet nostalgia...Time for a cut and paste hack job, as one of my posts was once referred to.
“the world needs to watch those of the Muslim faith, fuck the concept of racial profiling being unacceptable. Its what we need in these times.�
-cjgncjgn*$
Let’s also have senatorial inquiries into hollywood personages who might be supporting the terrorist philosophy; witch hunts and the like. Oh Senator McCarthy, where are ye when we need ye most? The biggest problem with racial profiling is that it’s notoriously unreliable. Dumb kids like you and kingshit see some 6 foot 4 guy with a beard and a turban walking through the airport and go, “Oh shit, he might blow me up�... in fact he’s possibly the lowest potential threat in the building. Firstly, an organized attacker will take precautions not to appear to be an attacker. That’s just common sense, but to take that further, a muslim attacker will ALWAYS be cleanshaven, washed, and perfumed, because they prefer to be clean and pure for what could very well be their final days. Essentially the practice of racial profiling is only useful to assuage the fears of the ignorant that the “towel heads� are having their bags searched, so it’s safe to get on the airplane... in reality it might even be counterproductive if it shifts attention away from more likely perpetrators.
“Oh yeah Melvs lets just be ignorant as your post and close our eyes and pretend that it's only the "extremists" who do it. Hmmmm let me think who the extremists are... hmmm... this is going to be a hard answer... oh yeah TOWEL HEADS! Now I understand that not all extremists are towel heads but guess what I bet 95% of them are�
-Kingshit
Ok, it is only the extremists who do it, first of all... show me a moderate muslim who occasionally steps out to rig himself up a car bomb, you idiot. Secondly, 99% of extremists are men, but I don’t see any suggestion that all men should submit to cavity searches. You can come up with statistics favouring certain denominations of the population for anything... “Oh, there was a convenience store robbery in a large metropolitan center, go round up some black people for questioning because 70 some odd percent of those small-time crooks tend to be black apparently�... but it sets a fairly disturbing precedent.
“ Yeah twix_182 since you and Melvs know your history so well.. Where and when did it all start? It all started many many many years ago Jews vs. Muslims or Christianity Vs. Islam. If you can not understand where this is going then you are complete moron.�
-Kingshit
Digging yourself quite the hole, here... are you seriously suggesting that Al Qaeda gets together on weekends to break out their European history textbooks? No, this is anot a matter of Islam vs. Christianity, it’s a matter of indoctrination (on both sides, but I’m talking about the Muslim world here) whereby they’ve been taught their entire lives that the west is evil because they exploit and destroy. Are they right? Who the hell cares, they’re still blowing nice innocent Americans up and need to die. I’m not debating that point. But when you make a Holy Biblical Crusade out of this relationship you’re making an ass of yourself and setting up a dangerous mindset. Worse still, you’re subscribing to absolutes... does a historical relationship play a role in the attitudes that extremists have towards the west? Absolutely. Is it the underlying premise on which their entire belief structure is based? That’s up for debate. Is it “all we need to know�? Ridiculous, there are ALWAYS multiple causes and multiple explanations and your attempt to boil this down into an oversimplification exposes you as a simpleton yourself... not that that was a tough conclusion to reach given the rest of the crap you’ve posted in here.
“ im not racist or whatever, but it seems muslims have a real problem with everyone who is not muslim.�
-Stowebum
It seems to me that some of you have a real problem with anyone who IS muslim... aren’t we westerners supposed to be the “enlightened, rational ones�? So much for THAT theory.
“ Cutting peoples heads off and praising Allah is fighting for freedom from the western world? Blowing up innocent people in other countries is also fighting for freedom.�
-Kingshit
Uh, yes, it’s one method. A really crazy method, but a method nonetheless. And if you’re against blowing up innocent people in other countries, you might want to break out the good stationary and whip up a letter to the White House, because apparently they didn’t get that memo yet.
“ immona blow upany motherfucka who wants to blow me up before they can do it. what we should do is start an empire like rome and take over the entire middle east cause thier culture doesnt work. its completly based on war and suppresion of women because thats its history. fuck them i say we take it for ourselves and set up beaches and shit. latin america hasnt bombed nyhting since the europeans took that over and that was the fucking 15hundreds�
-PeterTosh
We’ll call this exhibit A as to why ski companies make a point of telling their riders not to post anything even mildly inflammatory on this website. 9W, put a farkin’ leash on this kid already.
“It's our fault trying to give people in our country equal rights, treating women with respect and not like they are dogs. Allowing people to do what they want with their lifes and not being dictated upon them.�
-Kingshit
Yeah, I bet it’s that that’s really steaming their clams over there... not all the bombing, economic hegemon activity and subtle manipulation over the last, say, 50 years, because that’s peanuts to those people. They just can’t stand that our women don’t have cloths on their faces. You’re a genius, I’m nominating you for a Nobel as we speak.
“ How can you even compare the two? Holy shit you people are fucked in the head.�
-Kingshit
Dead innocent people are dead innocent people? It’s not like one of ours is worth 10 of theirs... is it?
“Off hand I think it could very well be a Muslim fundamentalist group. But there is indeed a possibility of another party. That’s just my gut feeling and none of us will be certain who did it for a while.�
-Quinny
Probably is. They need to die, too, just to be clear here. I have no issue with the asumption that this is an Al Qaeda linked group; usually when AQ takes responsibility for something it ends up being linked to them somehow.
“ Open your eyes. The cesspool of al Qaida is not fighting the US...they are fighting the ENTIRE WESTERN WORLD. The United Kingdom is as much apart of the world as the United States. GB is a primarily Christian country too. Many other nations have suffered terrorist attacks. Read a damn history book.�
-Quinny
I think what you should be telling him to read is Huntington... I highly suggest everyone do so, I know I sure got a laugh out of it. At any rate, these people are not “fighting the western world�, that again is an oversimplification. There are many motives for each individual attack and the diverse groups responsible for these sorts of actions should not be referred to as if they’re a unified body bent on destroying us all. They are in fact massively fragmented and more often at odds with each other than with us, so suggesting that an “Us versus them� mentality is the way to go here is really pretty foolish. The relationship is much more complicated.
“ Terrorists are the lowest forms of life on this planet. They don’t fucking discriminate who they kill. Whether it’s the Iraqi insurgents, Timothy McVeigh, or that piece of shit bin Laden. They’ll murderer innocent people for their sick little voices to be heard. It doesn’t matter if their American, politicians, solders, or even their own fucking people. Life has no value to these animals. They deserve no treatment that is considered just for human beings. They are worth less than that.�
-Quinny
That rings like propaganda in my ears, for one simple reason: there’s a lot of truth to it. It’s still extremely manipulative, though... we shouldn’t be encouraging a perspective of hate even for groups that deserve it because rabid mob-mentalities are the inevitable result of that strategy. Terrorists are individually subject to an analysis much as any criminal or psychopath is and shouldn’t be classified as animals in the way you’re implying, because they’re not all “beasts with no respect for life whose sole motive is destruction.� ... they have a (pretty screwed up) thought process, logical reasoning, and susceptibility to persuasion and manipulation by authority figures just as we do. These people are a threat and need to be stopped, but the way we depict them can either help us in achieving that or represent an extremely dangerous element in our efforts to stop them.
“ Anybody who even thinks of sympathizing with them are also scum, and as far as I’m concord, can rot with them.�
-Quinny again
This kind of scares me because it’s a precursor to lumping everyone who looks at terrorism from a non-absolute, non-oversimplified viewpoint as “sympathizers�. Don’t get me wrong, I still say kill them all, I just think your way of looking at this is horribly wrong and a bit frightening.
“ fuck off asshole�
“ you have no right to call anyone ignorant and shit when ur from fuckin new zealand when the only thing news worthy is a firefighter rescued a cat out of a fuckin tree�
“ hahaha- yeah fat tim you fuckin asshole you just got owned�
-Stowebum
He’s smarter than you are. Much, much smarter. I can’t really effectively express how stupid you look right now. If that causes you discomfort, go cry about it, but don’t ever post again.
“ Sure, Terrorism is a minor problem, but its the one that affects us, directly. I hate to be selfish, but its human nature.�
-Tweaks_rock_me
I have to disagree with you, I’m of the opinion that any decent person is in some way altruistic and if you can get over certain arbitrary bonds you may feel towards people of the same level of wealth and education as you are you’d probably feel as much sympathy for the poverty stricken African people as you do for anyone else. That’s the real holier than thou attitude here, the assumption that it’s “just human nature� not to care about dying people in the third world. Perspective is a very important thing to maintain.
“With 6 billion people in the world I find it hard that the 100 percent will ever be fully content withstanding the fact that our population is only rising quickly. The real things Africans need is birth control and a more sane method of reproduction. Feeding hungry people will only make more and more hungry people. In 100 year Africas population will be 16 times greater, are western cultures making them fuck like Rabbits?�
-Ski-hobo
Touche, but this is hardly a reason to discard them... as a matter of fact much of the problem is a societal tendency towards the assumptions that a) I’m not going to live that long anyway, who cares about aids, b) Using protection is a socially unacceptable practice and I feel ashamed, and c) all this birth control stuff is too troublesome and expensive because it costs money i could be spending on food and it isn’t readily available to me. A, B, and C can be influenced should emphasis and a whoooooole lot of money be put into them. It’s just not a priority right now because it doesn’t have the immediate public effect of a couple of buildings falling down, understandably enough. If it ever did we could do something about it and hopefully the population crisis simultaneously. It would just take a ridiculous amount of resources that no one’s willing to commit right now. Possibly ever.
“ ^ Shows what kind of man Tony Blair is I guess by not doing what he truly believes in. Instead like you said he is just a puppet who gets pressured into things. Great leader you got there. “
-Kingshit
If a leader “does what he believes in� to the extent that those beliefs cause more harm than good to his nation and people, I’d be inclined to call him a worse leader. It’d be like a bus driver who very firmly and authoritatively drives himself and his passengers off a clliff. In fact, many leaders are forced by global pressures to take actions that they don’t believe in... that’s just life.
Great thread, would read again, A+++++++++
I’m out again. Keep the thread going, it really is one of the better ones in a while.
ViperSki
Active member
i was wondering if you were ever going to make an appearance JD, thank you for that post, im pretty sure it just made my day. now prepare for the appropriate NS responses of "fuck you" and "those words are to big for me to understand." They are going to be said even though you dont care and everyone intelligent person knows you dont care what people say about you
I seek the means... to fight injustice. To turn fear... against those who prey on the fearful.
I seek the means... to fight injustice. To turn fear... against those who prey on the fearful.
hemlockjibber8
Active member
people were mentioning UK and thier religions. did you know, in the most recent poll taken there. under "other" for religion people put JEDI. it turns out that JEDI is actually the third largest religion in the UK. ahead of muslim and many other large religions. I wonder why they coudlnt sense the bombing were about to happen
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and there's rockstar Schmuck'
'the graphics should be completely flat black on his pro model... that would be intense.' -Jc_Dunn
LORD OF THE PARK 2006.....
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re's business Schmuck
and there's rockstar Schmuck'
'the graphics should be completely flat black on his pro model... that would be intense.' -Jc_Dunn
LORD OF THE PARK 2006.....
-AR_Seven-
Member
^That's a re-exaggeration of an old story, it's not even close to the third largest religion. The actual story is that in 2002 so many people put down Jedi Knight that it had to be made into a category for classifying the results.
jonsimpson
Member
JD_May, thankyou.
skier_jules
Member
my best friend left london the day before that happened. wicked huh
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skier_jules
Member
wow. captain random??? -scott wright
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JoeTheRipper
Active member
wow a lot of people just got owned
"if you feel like going for an hour vacation to sea world then go for the one on the right cuz god damn shes the size of a fucken whale"-lat
J-crew represent
"if you feel like going for an hour vacation to sea world then go for the one on the right cuz god damn shes the size of a fucken whale"-lat
J-crew represent