Terrorism- WHAT THE FUCK???

Kevo

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Disclaimer- this is probably one of the more politically incorrect things that I've written. The point is not to sound racist, but instead to get others to think about these things in a wider view than they may realize is possible. Yes I realize that these people in the current events are from England, but this whole thing is the demon spawn of the fucked up region that we call the middle east.

Turn on the news and find out for yourself. So some ragheads decided it would be a good idea to blow up some plains. WHAT THE HELL ELSE IS NEW?

TAKE A MOMENT AND THINK OUTSIDE THE CONVENTIONS OF WHAT YOU HAVE BEEN TOLD ON CNN, BBC, MSNBC, OR FOX NEWS. TRY TO THINK ABOUT THIS IN A BROADER, MORE OPEN MINDSET.

What the fuck do these people think they are going to accomplish here? What is their end goal? If some third world camel jockeys blew up 1,2,5,10, or 20 planes, what would it do? It would get the US and many in the western world really pissed and upset for a while. There would vigils, TV news specails (complete with montage), the western leaders will hold press conferences promising to “stand together” and that “we will be unparalleled in our vigilance in bringing these people to justice” (or some other empty statement), a Hollywood rendition profiting off of the whole thing within 5 years, and eventually some sort of memorial. Fuck that. Do they actually think that they can defeat us in some way or change us? Without oil, they are NOTHING on the world stage. WHAT THE HELL DO THEY THINK THEY CAN ACCOMPLISH AS AN END GOAL? To get us out of the middle east? FINE. Lets leave Iraq to degenerate into civil war. We shouldn’t have been there in the first place. Lets pull out of Dubai and Saudi Arabia. But let one thing be clear- No more oil for food. We’ll see how competitive they think they are on the world stage when we control the price of exported grain and the price of a loaf of bread goes up 200 fold in a week.

Lets take a minute to discuss the middle east. In all honesty, their isn't much that the middle east has to offer the rest of the world. Yes, there were some interesting civilizations there a couple thousand years ago, but it is pretty much a giant shithole as of now. They have oil and sand and not nearly enough arable to feed their people (less than 4 percent throughout the region). Without oil for food, they would be pretty much fucked. I think it is time. Lets find a viable alternative to oil and let the middle east rot. NO MORE OIL FOR FOOD, NO MORE AID. The minute the last drip of oil leave that godforsaken sandbox of a region, no one in the world will give a shit about them. They’ll be hung out to dry with their second hand goods and their dates. They can run around chopping each others heads of and honor raping their women while they choke on sand and starve to death. We can sit back with our hydrogen power while we watch them become Africa 2.0

Now, what the fuck do we think we can accomplish from our side? Do we honestly think that this problem will be eliminated in our lifetime or even in the next 200 years? In all honesty, what is our end goal? We are playing at their level, and that is the problem. How many times are we going to let these people nip at our blow up planes and busses and subways in the name of some bullshit religion before we actually do something about it? We don’t need to wipe them off the map- they will do that themselves. We need to sit back and watch them rot. No more political correctness, no more random searches. There haven’t been too many Asian soccer mom or white grandmother terrorists in history, so let them go through security and search a more likely suspect.

And as for England, what the hell do they expect? They have been housing and feeding these people for years now. They haven’t stopped the hate speech in the streets where the radical muslims chant “BOMB BOMB ENGLAND, BOMB BOMB USA. KILL KILL TONY BLAIR. YOU WILL PAY WITH YOUR BLOOD”. I’ll give you a hint England- it is the same fucking people chanting who later try to blow up airplanes and subways. Arrest them one the street while they are all banded together and dump them into the English Channel.

And as for the media- FUCK THE MEDIA. Fear mongering is getting old. Part of this is leading to an institution of fear and control. People are becoming more and more dependant on the government, thinking that they need them more than ever before because they are afraid to get on subways, busses, and trains. Stop watching the news and supporting this. WE DON’T NEED TO BE SO AFRAID. When I was 12, I didn’t have to deal with this shit. There was no threat risk colors, there was no ticker on the bottom of the screen. There was no talk of terrorism everyday on the news. Does anyone remember when there wasn’t a ticker on the bottom of the screen? IT WAS LESS THAN 6 YEARS AGO WHEN THE TICKER STARTED. We don’t need messages of fear rolling across the bottom of the screen while other messages of fear are spoken aloud. This is not the world we deserve for our future, enough is enough.

And finally, one can come up with literally thousands of conspiracy theories about the illuminati controlling us or oil industry corruption being responsible for a lack of alternative fuels. There is only one thing that can start to bring about the beginning of the end of this whole thing- You and I. Let the government know that we don’t think we need them as much as they think we need them. Let the oil companies know that we won’t put up with them holding alternative energy patents any longer, and lets put our energy into finding an alternative to oil so we can get the hell out of the middle east.

 
no, stop this shit right now. That isn't the point of this thread. We did piss people off. I realize this, but read what I said. It had nothing to do with how this whole thing got started, but how to end it. This can't turn into a the US brought in on vs no we didn't arguement.
 
I like it. It's true for the most part. However, I don't agree with the racial profiling search system. That would be totally against what this country is about and what makes this country wrong.

Their goal is simple. They feel everytime an attack takes place in the west it is a victory. Their goal is to seek vengence on the West for what they have suffered. That is their goal.

Other than those, you are right, we should create a OFEC...Orginization of the Food Exporting Countries. We could always just keep subsudizing farmers to produce less of their crops so the supply will drop and skyrocket the cost. A taste of their own medicine?
 
well fuck i agree too. but im pretty sure nothing is going to change anytime soon. at least not until there are enough of us who have grown up with this bullshit and are tired of always being told ot be afraid. and thats why i quit watching the news, you should too itll make you feel way better
 
okay, first off ronaldinho I'm not going to argue with you over this. You oviously don't recognize the problems regarding the US and its international affairs (and you can't forget its own internal problems). There is no use wasting my time when you aren't going to listen to anything I say, you already have an opinion and there is nothing I can do to change that.

Secondly, how do we solve this? Well, I say we end the multinational, multibillion corporations that control the third world countries. They keep the people impoverished, never allowing the economy to grow which haults any aspect of globalization. Why do you think 9/11 happened, it was to show how these global companies (some of which are american) controlled these countries. If these terrorist really wanted to attack america why didnt they blow up the New York Exchange? Wouldn't that do more damage to the US when the NYSE is worth 20 trillion. No, they targeted the World Trade Centre and I put emphasis on "World". They didn't want to show just the US, they wanted eveyone to see. It was pointed at the US because the US is currently the most powerful nation.

But I don't gloabilizing the rest of the world will help, I don't think third world countries are able to. The damage is done and I really don't think there is a solution. There is no way for every nation to be equal, there will always be one or more nations in power.
 
You cant answer my question (I promise i wont argue with you or even reply if you answer the question). What has the USA done? These Islamic Facists hate our way of life and the most of the biggest corporations in the world are the oil companies based out of the Middle East. Third world countries aren't the ones wanting to attack us. Bin Laden set up Al Queda and declared Jihad on America and the west and he came from a very wealthy family in Saudia Arabia.

Also by taking down the WTC it causes more destruction and death that is why the attacked the Towers, because they wanted to kill as many innocent people as possible.
 
I dont want to argue either just answer his question, because i also want to know what the USA has done. I also realize that he and I have one opinion and you have yours.
 
good argument, but you're forgetting one thing. when you think of whats american, the new york skyline, and what stand out on it...what do you think of? the twin towers. i dont agree with your idea of al quaeda targetting the world, because thats just fucking dumb of them. they rely on the rest of the world to obtain their funding for their activities. On 9/11, they were out to terrorize the US, to attack symbols of the united states.

as for kev, i agree. you wanna know why its called stereotyping? because of the years/decades/centuries a pattern of behavior has come out that exemplifies a certain type of person, hence the stereotype, these things arent bloody random. So yes, i agree, if you see an arab/middle eastern man, or woman, be fuckin suspicious. Yes, its cruel, but you know what, like bush says, were at fucking war. and when at war, certain "rights" dissapear.

the world's a bithc, so suck it up. and dont try to nit pick shit out of my post, because this is not very well formulated, and i will probably turn around and rape you in the ass.

thanks, have a nice day!
 
I am starting to actually hate the people over there more and more. Recently, a 15 year old mentally disabled girl in syria was stoned to death (throwing rocks at her, not blowing dro) because she could not have sex with her so called "husband." I know that not everybody over there is corput, and the basis of the islamic religon is really really peaceful, but the exremists that RUN the entire region are really fuckheads.
 
Racial profiling makes perfect sense, name one terrorist attack in the last ten years that has been commited by someone who wasnt a young arab male? you cant becuase there havent been any.
 
i hate to do this, but...

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John Walker Lindh. if he hadnt been captured, would probably have gone on with al quaeda.
 
Nope, Bin Laden set up Al Qaeda to fight off Russian domination. You obviously only know one thing abotu Bin Laden. He came from a wealthy family.

Bin Laden was a resistance fighter since an early age. He set up a Russian resistance group (can't remember spelling and I'm not going to try.) at an early age in Afghanistan. Due to his Native Saudi Arabia allowing the United States to basically reap it of all it's economic use and military power, he asked to be involved in the Saudi Army. He, of course, was laughed at and expelled from Saudi Arabia (the holyiest of holy cities now dominated by American military Mecca and Medina). At this point, Bin Laden is pretty pissed off. He is expelled from his birth land and religious land. That is why he considered it a Jihad and that is why he attacked us on September 11th. Don't fill your blimp with they are jealous of our way of life, that's ignorant American talk.

Oh, and by the way, out of the top 10 largest corporations in the world 3 deal with Oil. The largest being an American company, the other two being British (I think).
 
The guy who had shoe bombs...Rick something...You know the whole reason you have to take off your shoes for security check.

Nice try though. Listen to yourself, racial profiling makes perfect sense...Yeah that's what we thought in WW2 when we put Japanese people in concentration camps. Real good thinking my friend.

 
im not saying we shouldnt racially profile, in fact i think we should. but its not gonna stop everything sadly.
 
There is a difference between the concentration camps the Nazis used and the internment camp that the USA used.
 
Where did I say there wasn't? My point still stands. Racial profiling is wrong and we have learned it from the past.

A concentration camp is a place where people are confined. Not necessarily violently I.E. the Japanese concentration camps.
 
To the original poster... couldn't have said it better myself. We shouldn't have gone to Iraq to begin with, and now we're stuck there with most of the population living in just as much fear and instability as before. Well, there's countless human life and even more countless billions of dollars down the fucking drain.

They want to tear themselves apart? Let them. They can run their own fucking little terorist regime and we'll see how long they last once we stop depending on them for oil. Who cares? It's going to happen anyways as soon as we leave there, so we might as well cut our losses and move out. It's about time we stopped listening to people who can't seem to move past the fact that we have enough of our OWN problems to worry about without spending half of our time and resources in a lost cause.

And seriously England... like the man said, throw those fuckers in a river. Grow some balls, for the love of God.
 
Lets pull out of Dubai and Saudi Arabia. But let one thing be clear- No more oil for food. We’ll see how competitive they think they are on the world stage when we control the price of exported grain and the price of a loaf of bread goes up 200 fold in a week.

i like that idea
 
Clearly, they are doing something right.

That big terrorist plot that has just come up in the past couple days...was discovered and put down,

probably because of this 'distinct definition of suspicious' people.

I just don't understand what they have against everyone else?
 
Its no shittier than before. When I was younger I used to worry about getting nuked by the Russians. Regan was scaring us about an "Evil Empire" and pouring trillions into making an outerspace defence shield (and I thought it was the Evil Empire that was to have built the deathstar). Just as that started to abate, I was being told every other day on the TV about how me and everyone I knew was going to die of AIDS. My parents were even more certain of their imminent nuclear obliteration during the Cuban Missile crises and, had they been Americans, would have faced being sent to 'nam (which is probably better than Iraq- more drugs, easier women and nice beaches). Their parents weathered the worst economic depression of recent history followed by a global war that killed over 20m people (Pearl Harbour alone killed about as many Americans as 9-11). I could probably take this back to when Adam and Eve got kicked out of that sweet garden-villa and left naked to face angry lions and such. The members of this site represent the wealthiest and privledged people of the richest most powerful nation that ever existed and are at the best age of your lives. Just enjoy them, forget about these terrorist fuckers and ski.
 
So let me get this strait...these guys try to attack us because of our military presence in the Middle East. So what was the excuse in 2001? Western influence?

Lets review cause and effect here. 9-11 happens, we soon after invade Afghanistan. This would imply the US will retaliate if attacked. With is in mind, they try to attack us again. What's your guess about what Bush will do? Pull out and go home...or bomb the crap of someone? Man, this one sure is a thoughie.

I think its funny that people believe that these people can be reasoned with. You can't bargain with blood-crazed brainwashed animals.
 
Its funny. I actually think quite the contrary. If globalization is utilized properly, it can bring the world closer together and force multiple nations to work as a singular unit. A prosperous economy does a better job of uniting people than either religion or political ideology. Ideally, the economy should blur national and ethic boundaries.
 
correct me if i'm wrong, but i think you're trying to say that we had no military presence in the middle east before september 11th....not true. remember that OTHER gulf war? we've pretty much had a noticeable military presence in the region since then. really, the iraq war never so much ended, it just kind of quieted down. ground forces left, but american jets patrolled the skies over iraq for 12 years between the first and second invasions, frequently bombing SAM sites and occasionally other facilities. plus there is of course the whole israel thing...they've kinda been there a while too, which doesn't make the arab world like us any more.
 
Change change change. Everyone wants it; needs it, but no one knows how to get it. No one is content with the current situation, just look around, but they do nothing. America in general is too fucking lazy to bring about change. When someone comes around with a little influence and good ideas, they get ignored, because it's easier to sit back and let the president do what he wants. Then there is a reason to bitch and be unhappy when he fucks up. What the fuck can anyone do. Getting the entire country to move in one unified direction towards change would be impossible. Until people start to think for themselves, get off their asses and ride a bike, and question the people that are deemed fit to run this country, there will be no change.
 
those 'rag heads' you're talking about clearly aren't thinking all that you're giving them credit for.

their goal you ask? to send a message, stir some shit up, and get a reaction out of the states.
 
...and when the USA DOES react, they get even more pissed off at the West not leaving them alone... a vicious cycle of their own doing pretty much, one of the many ironies of the middle east. Plus, the stirring of shit does nothing but anger the more powerful country and harm the lesser by a huge factor more than what they did to the former.

Me likey this idea :"OFEC...Orginization of the Food Exporting Countries. We could always

just keep subsudizing farmers to produce less of their crops so the

supply will drop and skyrocket the cost. A taste of their own medicine?"

Also, could someone tell me when it is that the Middle East started their fatwha or however the heck you spell it on the West? At what point did they declare a jihad on us? Was it after the first Gulf War when Saddam attacked Kuwait and we had plenty of reason to stop him? Seriously, when did it start? Because as far as i know, the USA and the rest of the West didn't do shit to them before the first gulf war...
 
hey is it our fault their are thousands of these crazy people that call themselves men who veiw death as an honor and think their religion and "holy books" are telling them the their god wants them to kill everyone who is not muslim? there are no multi watev $$ companies in middle east because other than oil the entire region is a worthless shit hole. dont be so quick to blame our country.
 
Kevo, I think this might be one of the better things you've written. I totally agree with you. Except on the position of the media. I agree that it is partly their fault for spreading this horseshit, but they only play what the people want to hear. I mean people would be pissed if they watched CNN all day and didn't hear about something they played on MSNBC. The people watching CNN would watch another news source. The media as a whole is competing with each constantly. Thats why they do this shit. Is it right? I don't think so either. But they can't be fully responsible. They are businesses trying to make money, and they are doing it legally. They do whatever they can to survive. And if one finally takes a stand, that one will surely get stomped out eventually. Then what? Fewer news sources so the others are morelikely to be bias or play more bullshit? Keep in mind that news sources often keep each other in check.

And always remember the things we learned from the Romans about controling the masses:

[x] Brute Force

[Check] Fear

[Check] Religious Faith

Thank you Karl Rove.

 
I can't help but laugh if you think the Gulf War is at all comparable to our current occupation of Iraq.

Its funny that you even mention the Gulf War, because that had absolutely nothing to do with fundamental Islamic terrarium. It's also worth to note that the current war in Iraq is not directly related to 9-11, Afghanistan was however. Apples and oranges.

The point is it really doesn't matter what we do at this point. If they disapprove of anything, they will attack us. These people are ruthless savages that manage to think that murdering thousands of innocent people acquaints to making the world a better place.
 
The worst part is that Islam is pretty much more peaceful than fucking Buddhism, and these people have twisted it so hard that the religion is now being used to justify wars and the slaughter of countless innocent civilians. We're dealing with a bunch of crazy shitheads and quite honestly, you can't fight crazy shitheads. Pull out, let them kill each other off, and the world will be a better place.
 
What point? If we leave them alone, they'll leave us alone? How original.

In any case, Islam and Buddhism are so fundamentally different is almost black and white. That fact the he said Islam is more "peaceful" that Budisum is completely preposterous and shows that he has no knowledge of either religion.
 
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