Terrorism in Manchester

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At Least 19 Killed in Possible Suicide Blast at Manchester Arena Concert Featuring Ariana Grande

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http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/d...xplosions-heard-u-k-concert-featuring-n763286

Next we'll find out it was done by a muslim (or multiple), followed by the "no known motive / mentally unstable" narrative, and concluding with the "nothing to do with islam / diversity is strength" lies.

Rinse, cycle, repeat.
 
13819096:Campeador said:
What are you even saying?
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topic:Campeador said:
Next we'll find out it was done by a muslim (or multiple), followed by the "no known motive / mentally unstable" narrative, and concluding with the "nothing to do with islam / diversity is strength" lies.

Rinse, cycle, repeat.
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Idk, maybe the "all Muslims are out to kill us" concept you're pushing.
 
13819098:theabortionator said:
Idk, maybe the "all Muslims are out to kill us" concept you're pushing.
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If someone rocks up to a concert for kids with a backpack containing a nail bomb with the intention to take out as many people as possible its fucking terrorism from anyone's perspective, I don't care what religion you are you dumb fuck

there are now 22 dead, mostly young children from my home town so shut the fuck up with your bullshit
 
13819098:theabortionator said:
Idk, maybe the "all Muslims are out to kill us" concept you're pushing.
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Enough of them for it to be a serious problem, and for us to question why so many of them commit acts of terrorism.

They're just killing infidels like their pedophile prophet told them to. Those who are more fervent followers seem to take an especially sadistic pleasure out of hurting and killing women and children.

I wonder why?

My theory is that the koran normalizes and outright promotes acts of evil. Observing Sharia islam societies seems to support this theory.

These are not people you ever want to be letting into any free country.
 
13819118:Campeador said:
Enough of them for it to be a serious problem, and for us to question why so many of them commit acts of terrorism.

They're just killing infidels like their pedophile prophet told them to. Those who are more fervent followers seem to take an especially sadistic pleasure out of hurting and killing women and children.

I wonder why?

My theory is that the koran normalizes and outright promotes acts of evil. Observing Sharia islam societies seems to support this theory.

These are not people you ever want to be letting into any free country.
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But our drones are extra special super correct Jesus drones dropping the word of the right God so we're clearly much more evolved. Bang bang go Trump, increase military spending to kill the man in the mirror!
 
13819126:K-Dot. said:
But our drones are extra special super correct Jesus drones dropping the word of the right God so we're clearly much more evolved. Bang bang go Trump, increase military spending to kill the man in the mirror!
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You never seemed to have an issue when Obama made extensive use of the drone program.

More of the tired old left-wing narrative, "we bring terrorism on ourselves".

Go to hell.
 
13819167:Campeador said:
You never seemed to have an issue when Obama made extensive use of the drone program.

More of the tired old left-wing narrative, "we bring terrorism on ourselves".

Go to hell.
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Lol what? Of course I had major issues with Obama sending drones over there.

Your obsession with binaries is fascinating
 
Case study in why no Western nation should ever accept muslim "refugees":

The suicide bomber who killed 22 people and injured dozens more at the Manchester Arena has been named as 22-year-old Salman Abedi, according to US officials.

Born in Manchester in 1994, the second youngest of four children his parents were Libyan refugees who came to the UK to escape the Gaddafi regime.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/23/salman-abedi-named-manchester-suicide-bomber-know/

It's already begun, the left-wing, transnational progressivists, will increasingly try to paint islamic terrorism as a "normal part of life", and a necessary price for "diverse multiculturalism".
 
13819176:Campeador said:
Born in Manchester in 1994
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So the bomber wasn't a refugee but rather someone BORN IN THE COUNTRY YOU FUCKING IDIOT.

Maybe, just maybe this whole war against Islam and all Muslims/immigrants are bad rhetoric are making certain people feel isolated and angry against their own country-men?
 
13819177:skierman said:
So the bomber wasn't a refugee but rather someone BORN IN THE COUNTRY YOU FUCKING IDIOT.

Maybe, just maybe this whole war against Islam and all Muslims/immigrants are bad rhetoric are making certain people feel isolated and angry against their own country-men?
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Whether the "refugees" themselves, or their progeny, a price is always paid. The fact that the supposedly "integrated" children of "refugees" turn into suicide bombers clearly shows that there is zero assimilation taking place.

You were too fucking stupid to see my point.

Also, you would know a thing or two about feeling isolated and angry with own countrymen, you're a ginger. Why else would you fuckers become islamic jihadis in such high numbers?

The far-Left "it's our own fault!" narrative is getting very old. Furthermore, it seems that the countries who are the most "inclusive" of islam are the ones that are suffering the most.

Budapest is now one of Europe's safest cities. A shining example of law and order, combined with pride in the nation-state and one's own culture, two things that are anathema to the globalist Left.

Now, how about the cities that have welcomed in the most muslims? All disasters.

Brussels? Disaster.

London? Disaster.

Manchester? Disaster.

Rochester? Disaster.

Malmo? Disaster.

Rinkeby? Disaster.

Cologne? Disaster.

Paris? Disaster.

Calais? Disaster.

Dearborn? Disaster.

Hamtramck? Disaster.

I've probably missed quite a few, but are you seeing a trend here?
 
The idea of British citizens joining ISIS even though they may have never even set foot in the middle East is probably the most unsettling part about this. However, I think there is an aspect of ISIS just being the flavor of the month for random crazy people that want to harm others. It's not like this guy was apart of some radical Syrian militia. Its the same with Orlando and the Boston Marathon- those fucks didn't even know Islam very well, the one dude was gay and the others smoked weed all the time. The actual ISIS would behead those guys in 2 seconds if they found themselves in Iraq one day. ISIS still takes credit even if they didn't do shit to help them. What a mess.
 
13819169:K-Dot. said:
Lol what? Of course I had major issues with Obama sending drones over there.
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Care to prove it?

And, just so we're clear, with knowledge of the location of a terrorist training camp or settlement, say an Al-Qaeda outpost in Yemen, you would be against military action using military drones?

If so, why or why not?
 
13819190:Campeador said:
Care to prove it?
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Yeah, so this one time I was hanging out with my friend and he was like "hey man, you heard about drones killing people" and I was like "yeah man" and he was like "yeah Obama should stop that right" and I was like "yeah for sure man that's wack".

Lol FOH
 
13819188:Campeador said:
Whether the "refugees" themselves, or their progeny, a price is always paid. The fact that the supposedly "integrated" children of "refugees" turn into suicide bombers clearly shows that there is zero assimilation taking place.

You were too fucking stupid to see my point.
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"Case study in why no Western nation should ever accept muslim "refugees":"

You're too fucking stupid to see your own point.

But yeah, you make complete sense because technically almost every terror attack in the U.S. was done by the offspring of a refugee or immigrant. Amazing logic.
 
13819190:Campeador said:
Care to prove it?

And, just so we're clear, with knowledge of the location of a terrorist training camp or settlement, say an Al-Qaeda outpost in Yemen, you would be against military action using military drones?

If so, why or why not?
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The risk is that it may not be a terrorist training camp, or maybe there's a bunch of women and children there that all die as well as a few goat herders with AKs and pickup trucks that have no ability to directly harm the US. I view today's drone strikes the way I view the last generations arming the mujahedeen in Afganistan, it seems like the best option at the time but the unintended consequences 30 years down the line come back to bite us in the ass. But I mean it's basically drone strikes or nothing because the public would flip the fuck out if we sent ground troops back to the Middle East in large numbers.
 
13819200:skierman said:
"Case study in why no Western nation should ever accept muslim "refugees":"

You're too fucking stupid to see your own point.

But yeah, you make complete sense because technically almost every terror attack in the U.S. was done by the offspring of a refugee or immigrant. Amazing logic.
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Are you even the original ginger skierman? Or are you just some guy pretending to be him?

When did you become such a white bread liberal?
 
13819198:K-Dot. said:
Yeah, so this one time I was hanging out with my friend and he was like "hey man, you heard about drones killing people" and I was like "yeah man" and he was like "yeah Obama should stop that right" and I was like "yeah for sure man that's wack".

Lol FOH
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Right, you've never mentioned anything of the sort in any political thread for the last eight years.

Doesn't seem like it bothered you all that much.
 
13819228:Casey said:
The risk is that it may not be a terrorist training camp, or maybe there's a bunch of women and children there that all die as well as a few goat herders with AKs and pickup trucks that have no ability to directly harm the US. I view today's drone strikes the way I view the last generations arming the mujahedeen in Afganistan, it seems like the best option at the time but the unintended consequences 30 years down the line come back to bite us in the ass. But I mean it's basically drone strikes or nothing because the public would flip the fuck out if we sent ground troops back to the Middle East in large numbers.
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Instead of taking out a few terrorists and their families, we got to watch the twin towers fall. Those unintended consequences were felt just three years later.

“I nearly got him. And I could have killed him, but I would have had to destroy a little town called Kandahar in Afghanistan and kill 300 innocent women and children, and then I would have been no better than him.

“And so I didn’t do it.”

- Bill Clinton
http://abcnews.go.com/US/bill-clinton-hours-911-attacks-killed-osama-bin/story?id=24801422
 
13819248:Campeador said:
Instead of taking out a few terrorists and their families, we got to watch the twin towers fall. Those unintended consequences were felt just three years later.

“I nearly got him. And I could have killed him, but I would have had to destroy a little town called Kandahar in Afghanistan and kill 300 innocent women and children, and then I would have been no better than him.

“And so I didn’t do it.”

- Bill Clinton
http://abcnews.go.com/US/bill-clinton-hours-911-attacks-killed-osama-bin/story?id=24801422
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That's a fair point, but we could play what if from any point beginning at the dawn of time until now. My point is that there is inherent blowback in drone strikes, so as long as we are bombing people we are creating a future need to bomb people and it never ends. It's like trying to get rid of a mosquito bite by scratching it.
 
Holy shit. Some of the videos aren't pretty damn scary. This attack really hit me compared to the others for some reason.

Really wish everyone could find happiness and live in peace.

Remember that we all need to be kind to each other and do the right things in our lives.
 
13819262:.lencon said:
Holy shit. Some of the videos aren't pretty damn scary. This attack really hit me compared to the others for some reason.

Really wish everyone could find happiness and live in peace.

Remember that we all need to be kind to each other and do the right things in our lives.
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I think most the people on this site can grasp that. The problem is most jihadist probably aren't on newschoolers. Quite the kerfuffle.

I think the reason this one bothers me so much (aside from the obvious reasons) is that it truly feels like we are at a point of no return. There's just no answer to this problem. People above are going back and forth and they're both right. We're safer if we keep potential threats out, and that's hopeless and not dealing with the real problem and goes against everything we were founded on. So now that we've had that out, what next?

Two thumbs down for this whole situation. It's all just sad..
 
13819261:Casey said:
That's a fair point, but we could play what if from any point beginning at the dawn of time until now. My point is that there is inherent blowback in drone strikes, so as long as we are bombing people we are creating a future need to bomb people and it never ends. It's like trying to get rid of a mosquito bite by scratching it.
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I'm not sure I agree with your analogy.

I would say it's more like beating back the spread of cancer with chemotherapy and radiation. It's an ugly process, and the cancer is always at risk of coming back (sometimes worse), but what is the alternative? Do nothing?

Muslims are like unstable cells that can become cancerous at any time.

Just as an example, anywhere from a quarter to a third of muslims in the UK sympathize with the 7/7 bombers (a terrorist attack I experienced firsthand, my first introduction to the "religion of peace").

How do you deal with enemies within your own borders who swear allegiance to a violent foreign ideology? Those who actively plot your death or sympathize with those who do?

The laws need to be amended somehow to target these fuckers, otherwise it's only a matter of time before people start taking the law into their own hands.

That will truly be the point of no return. Bloodshed that will eclipse anything seen in the 20th century.
 
13819244:Campeador said:
Are you even the original ginger skierman? Or are you just some guy pretending to be him?

When did you become such a white bread liberal?
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Let me translate that for everyone else...

"I'm a fucking idiot that got called out on my bullshit logic and I have no response so I'll deflect instead"
 
13819405:skierman said:
Let me translate that for everyone else...

"I'm a fucking idiot that got called out on my bullshit logic and I have no response so I'll deflect instead"
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And...

It turns out the "refugee" father is a terrorist as well.

How about that?

You also failed to address any of my other points. Mainly because you can't. It must be frustrating having your islamic friends constantly complicating your narrative.
 
"I will not simply allow my people to be slaughtered for the sake of human rights; that's bullshit."

"My orders are shoot to kill."

- Rodrigo Duterte

The correct approach to islam on the other side of the globe.
 
13819095:theabortionator said:
Do we really need everything to be "terrorism" to get our rocks off watching the news?
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What the fuck is this called then? I swear that every time you post I think your IQ has somehow dropped another 10 points.
 
13819709:freestyler540 said:
Im getting really sick of the racism on NS and the alt right logic.
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Then don't pay attention to the 5% of posts that are racist, you fucking snowflake.
 
13819977:freestyler540 said:
your a troll, no one can be this stupid in RL
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From the guy who still can't tell the difference between you're and your. Once I understand, but for you it's a trend.

I assume you do most of your communication using emojis.

Answer the question, what race is islam?
 
13819994:Campeador said:
From the guy who still can't tell the difference between you're and your. Once I understand, but for you it's a trend.

I assume you do most of your communication using emojis.

Answer the question, what race is islam?
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Nice come back Troll.
 
13819998:freestyler540 said:
oh, am I pissing you off? great! I know now how to fight a troll.
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Not exactly, I would just legitimately like to know.

This answer is always so elusive, and yet the urge to cry "racist!" from brainwashed kids like you seems like a first instinct.

Perhaps you should stop to think some more.
 
13820001:Campeador said:
Not exactly, I would just legitimately like to know.

This answer is always so elusive, and yet the urge to cry "racist!" from brainwashed kids like you seems like a first instinct.

Perhaps you should stop to think some more.
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No, you are trying to feed yourself by being racist to try to get a response.

You are trolling
 
Mom....Dad...stop fighting.

Here's the impossible problem.

Attacks like this are becoming more and more frequent. How do we stifle this as a global society?
 
13820113:Dustin. said:
Mom....Dad...stop fighting.

Here's the impossible problem.

Attacks like this are becoming more and more frequent. How do we stifle this as a global society?
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The million dollar question. Some people will say integration, others will say extermination. Neither has proven to work yet.

It's likely got to come from Muslims themselves. They're the ones who can stop it better than any Westerner/Christian/Jew/whatever can because they have the common bond. Unfortunately, those who do try often end up dead or flee the country.

It's not going to change over night, it's going to take generations.
 
13820148:.MASSHOLE. said:
The million dollar question. Some people will say integration, others will say extermination. Neither has proven to work yet.

It's likely got to come from Muslims themselves. They're the ones who can stop it better than any Westerner/Christian/Jew/whatever can because they have the common bond. Unfortunately, those who do try often end up dead or flee the country.

It's not going to change over night, it's going to take generations.
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True, and though this is infinitely complex, it's always going to be hard to discuss the merits of either integration or extermination while attacks like this continue and while the coalition remains engaged in war in the Levant. As long as the Middle East remains so divided, I think it will continue. You can't have Jordan defending it's borders with what it has while the rich Saudis right next door just build a wall and enjoy their money/protect their rich extremists.

On a positive note, ISIL is getting crushed in this war. Since it's 99% an air campaign, it takes a long time and a lot of money. But in the last year alone they've lost thousands of square miles of terrain and several Iraqi and Syrian cities have been liberated.

Musing now....I think it will get more interesting as solar powered products become cheaper (to pick one example). We could hit a tipping point in a decade where solar/electric become more reasonable investments for the residential consumer, and when that happens demand for oil could plummet very quickly. I've watched ISIL dig wells in the Syrian desert every day for months, and I've lived in nations who bathe in their oil money with the luxury to not GAF about the turmoil around them. I wonder how things will change if the money tree begins to die there and they are forced to globalize, and I wonder if this will help stifle the easy cash flow for extremists who have easy access to these sources.

Lots of thoughts to spur some conversation, I realize many of them are only slightly related. The unfortunate reality is that this attack in the UK by a Muslim extremists has inevitably sparked discussion on the obvious source of this mentality. It's more and more prevalent, and it kills me that this is the world we live in.

Wow, skiing is cool...
 
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