i use those and they are rediculously nice boots. the hotform liners are definetely the best heat moldable liner on the market. they are also heat moldable for many, many times so just fine a tecnica store, bring them in, and have them remolded to your foot once you buy them. if anyone is looking for a larger size of these, i have some 29.0's available soon used for half a season. (not tryin to hijack your thread) if interested, pm me.