Tax System Explained in Beer

derpina

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Suppose that every day, ten men go out for beer and the bill for all ten comes to $100...If they paid their bill the way we pay our taxes, it would go something like this..

The first four men (the poorest) would pay nothing.

The fifth would pay $1.

The sixth would pay $3.

The seventh would pay $7.

The eighth would pay $12.

The ninth would pay $18.

The tenth man (the richest) would pay $59.

So, that's what they decided to do.

The ten men drank in the bar every day and seemed quite happy with the arrangement, until one day, the owner threw them a curve ball."Since you are all such good customers," he said, "I'm going to reduce the cost of your daily beer by $20." Drinks for the ten men would now cost just $80.

The group still wanted to pay their bill the way we pay our taxes. So the first four men were unaffected. They would still drink for free. But what about the other six men? The paying customers? How could they divide the $20 windfall so that everyone would get his fair share?

They realized that $20 divided by six is $3.33. But if they subtracted that from everybody's share, then the fifth man and the sixth man would each end up being paid to drink his beer.

So, the bar owner suggested that it would be fair to reduce each man's bill by a higher percentage. They decided to follow the principle of the tax system they had been using, and he proceeded to work out the amounts he suggested that each should now pay.

And so the fifth man, like the first four, now paid nothing (100% saving).

The sixth now paid $2 instead of $3 (33% saving).

The seventh now paid $5 instead of $7 (28% saving).

The eighth now paid $9 instead of $12 (25% saving).

The ninth now paid $14 instead of $18 (22% saving).

The tenth now paid $49 instead of $59 (16% saving).

Each of the six was better off than before. And the first four continued to drink for free. But, once outside the bar, the men began to compare their savings.

"I only got a dollar out of the $20 saving," declared the sixth man. He pointed to the tenth man, " but he got $10!"

"Yeah, that's right," exclaimed the fifth man. "I only saved a dollar too. It's unfair that he got ten times more benefit than me!"

"That's true!" shouted the seventh man. "Why should he get $10 back, when I got only $2? The wealthy get all the breaks!"

"Wait a minute," yelled the first four men in unison, "we didn't get anything at all. This new tax system exploits the poor!"

The nine men surrounded the tenth and beat him up.

The next night the tenth man didn't show up for drinks, so the nine sat down and had their beers without him. But when it came time to pay the bill, they discovered something important. They didn't have enough money between all of them for even half of the bill!

And that, boys and girls, journalists and government ministers, is how our tax system works. The people who already pay the highest taxes will naturally get the most benefit from a tax reduction. Tax them too much, attack them for being wealthy, and they just may not show up anymore. In fact, they might start drinking overseas, where the atmosphere is somewhat friendlier.

David R. Kamerschen, Ph.D.

Professor of Economics.

*For those who understand, no explanation is needed.*

*For those who do not understand, no explanation is possible*
 
First of all, SORRY I'M NOT AN NS FREAK DAN (to skiminnesota) haha.

Everyone IS taxed the same percentage of their income... until a certain point where they are considered too poor to. The reason for the explanation was to stand up for the wealthy because of all the complaints that they get the biggest benefit (duh, they also pay the most). I completely agree with you 100% that it's fair, and that the poor shouldn't get any breaks when they didn't pay in the first place. They still break even.
 
taxes would be a disproportionate burden on the poor then.

what say you now?

besides, 30% is actually pretty high, wouldnt be a tax cut for that many americans, and ide be willing to wager that for over half of Americans their taxes wouldnt go down, they would go up.
 
Yeah I read your signature wrong. But yeah I thought you were Dan Pitts. You don't know me so feel free to call me out on a repost. HAHA!
 
i do know where Dan Pitts lives, does that count for anything?

haha

i was just messin with ya on the repost.

although, to be technically correct, it was a repost :)
 
okay this is the last time i explain this on this god forsaken site.

if your federal income tax rate is, say, 35%, you ARE NOT BEING TAXED 35% OF YOUR INCOME.

you are taxed the same amount as everyone else is on your first ~$9000 of income, 10%. on the next ~25000 youre taxed 15%, on the next ~45000 youre taxed 25%, and so on. it's called a fucking marginal tax rate.

when you say that your tax rate is 35%, it means 1) you make more than $373,000 and 2) ONLY THE MONEY ABOVE THE FIRST 373,000 IS TAXED AT 35%.

no offense, but if you dont know this and/or don't understand why we don't have a flat tax, then you really are in no position to be arguing with anyone about the tax system in our country. fuck.
 
see that's the thing, i am NOT an economics buff or anything. ive taken like..1 or 2 econ classes (and hated them). this shit should be common knowledge but when the extent of your information backing your opinion is a pisspoor analogy and your drunk dad's rants, it's not. seriously, come on people, how can you be even trying to argue on this subject when you think we have a flat tax? it's just absurd
 
somewhat related analogy/story.. probably has already been posted on this site but whatever.
A woman in a hot air balloon realized she was lost.
She lowered her altitude and spotted a man in a boat below.

She shouted to him, "Excuse me, can you help me?
I promised a friend I would meet him an hour ago, but I don't know
where I am."

The man consulted his portable GPS and replied, "You're in a hot
Air balloon, approximately 30 feet above a ground elevation of 2346 feet
above sea level. You are at 31 degrees, 14.97 minutes north latitude
and 100 degrees, 49.09 minutes west longitude."

She rolled her eyes and said, "You must be a Republican."

"I am," replied the man. "How did you know?"

"Well," answered the balloonist, "everything you told me is
technically correct, but I have no idea what to do with your
information, and I'm still lost. Frankly, you've not been much help to me."

The man smiled and responded, "You must be a Democrat."

"I am," replied the balloonist. "How did you know?"

"Well," said the man, "you don't know where you are or where you're
going. You've risen to where you are, due to a large quantity of hot
air. You made a promise that you have no idea how to keep, and you expect me to solve your problem. You're in exactly the same position you were in before we met, but, somehow, now it is my fault.
 
chain mail analogies/partisan wit= lowest form of politics. i dont care what side it's for, that shit is for peope without the proper equipment to think for themselves
 
yeah sorry to be a dick about this, someone should be hitting me up with a youmad.jpg any second now, but it's just so frustrating to see this shit so much and then replies like "oh yeah that makes sense, it made it so simple for me"
 
this story is suggesting the richest 10% of society pays 59% of the taxes.

But what about this?

The richest 1%of society owns about 59% of the wealth.

So in terms of the story, the top richest guy has MORE than 59 times the amount of wealth as the bottom 4, but, he gets taxed for less than what he really has.
 
this. anyone who doesn't understand it should leave, just fuckin' leave.

and flat taxes are a terrib....you know what, no, I'm not doing this shit
 
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You sir are an ignorant fuck. have you never heard of tax brackets? Everyone is NOT taxed the same. Your taxes increase in percentage as your income increases. I'm too lazy to type this up but read RubberSoul's reply and then never post on a political/tax thread ever again
"okay this is the last time i explain this on this god forsaken site.
if your federal income tax rate is, say, 35%, you ARE NOT BEING TAXED 35% OF YOUR INCOME.

you are taxed the same amount as everyone else is on your first ~$9000 of income, 10%. on the next ~25000 youre taxed 15%, on the next ~45000 youre taxed 25%, and so on. it's called a fucking marginal tax rate.

when you say that your tax rate is 35%, it means 1) you make more than $373,000 and 2) ONLY THE MONEY ABOVE THE FIRST 373,000 IS TAXED AT 35%.

no offense, but if you dont know this and/or don't understand why we don't have a flat tax, then you really are in no position to be arguing with anyone about the tax system in our country. fuck."
-RubberSoul
 
i like this simple explanation of our tax system and i have to say its messed up...simple logic and reason tells us that when tax breaks occur the wealthiest benefit the most, but because they benefit more from these tax breaks other people get pissed off.
 
nice try bro, why don't you just admit you have no clue what youre talking about?

i already said somone should hit me with a YOU MAD picture. i'm sorry, idiots spreading misinformation to other idiots just grinds my gears. call me a stickler
 
Economist Stephen Moore disagrees with you.

2. What income group pays the most federal income taxes today?

The latest data show that a big portion of the federal income tax burden is shoul dered by a small group of the very richest Americans. The wealthiest 1 percent of the population earn 19 per cent of the income but pay 37 percent of the income tax. The top 10 percent pay 68 percent of the tab. Meanwhile, the bottom 50 percent—those below the median income level—now earn 13 percent of the income but pay just 3 percent of the taxes. These are proportions of the income tax alone and don’t include payroll taxes for Social Security and Medicare.

http://www.american.com/archive/2007/november-december-magazine-contents/guess-who-really-pays-the-taxes
 
life is so hard for the super-elite... it's a real drag that the last part of their billions of dollars is taxed hard.

i bet you'd way rather be poor so that you don't have to pay as much tax. the poor have it so easy!

you just told me the bottom 50 percent makes 13 percent of the income, while the top 1 percent makes 19% of the income. now you tell me which is getting the better deal.. try to tell me that the MARGINAL tax rates offset this enough to put the rich in a pitiable position.

the idea of getting "punished" for making more money is absurd for so many reasons, as is the idea that the rich are mistreated enough to make it likely that they will leave this country as a whole. as long as their absurd amounts of money keep buying special treatment from the government, you can bet your sweet ass theyre not going ANYWHERE
 
also as long as i'm being a dick here, OP the last 4 lines of your original post are HILARIOUS. but like.. dark humor
 
my post simply corrected an egregious error that was made. the rich pay far more than the person i quoted gave them credit for.

if you dont buy the FACT that tax rates play an effect on the choices people make, i dont know what i, or anyone else for that matter, can do to enlighten you.

punished or not doesnt come into play, its a matter of moral fortitude, do we as human being have claim to the fruits of others work?

as far as rich people leaving, go see what Donald Trump has to say about that. or hell, just look at what Google does to profit shift income through countries with a lower tax rate. think money laundering on a grand scale, and its legal.

taxes manipulate. thats the cold hard truth.
 
ahhhhhhhhhhhhh wfoiwhgoiehrg

MAKE MORE TAX BRACKETS

people need to stop using the term "the rich" to refer to people who make over $250,000 a year, the top tax bracket is $373,000 and even this is not "rich", people complain about the "rich" then use examples of billionaires and multi-millionaires to justify raising taxes on said "rich" when really they are affecting people who work overtime and own small businesses and put in 60-80 hour weeks. make a fucking tax bracket for over $1 mil, over $5 mil, over $10 mil, etc...

/end yelling
 
okay. but no one's arguing that taxes dont affect people's actions. but the OP's piece of shit analogy ended with an insinuation that if we don't "fix" this "problem," people may start "drinking overseas" on a large scale and that is a very common claim made by people (PRETTY sure youve said that at one point on here. maybe not though)

the fact that donald trump said something about this means nothing to me if you can't paraphrase his reasoning in a coherent and convincing way. i'm not saying whatever he said is necessarily wrong but just because a big name said something means NOTHING (this is economics we're talking about here, big names are wrong all the time. simply taking someone's word for it is asinine) unless, as i said, you can convey his argument in a way that makes sense.

as for the google reference, once again obviously people's actions are affected all the time by taxes, especially corporations, but to try to run with this and argue that the rich aren't taken care of very well in this country (and thus we need to make it better for them) doesnt hold one bit of water. i mean, hell, taxes as a whole are like 10-20% lower in the US than most other legit nations.

 
The OP wasn't wrong though, the thread just turned into an argument/explanation of the progressive tax system.

In the beer story they aren't talking about tax bracket percentages they're talking about the tax burden.
 
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