Talisker wants to put a tram from Canyons to Solitude.

WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS?

LINK: https://www.facebook.com/notes/andrew-mclean/the-canyons-tram-and-ted-wilson/289342514415351

After an email and a follow up phone call from Ted Wilson, I have decided to delete the previous posting as Ted said he felt it was a personal attack on him and betrayed our friendship. The gist of the post was that Talisker, an ultra high-end developer in the Park City area whom Ted works for as an environmental liaison, is planning on putting a tram from the top of their Dream Catcher chairlift up to and over the scenic Wasatch Crest trail, across 1.8 miles of public Forest Service land and terminate it at the Solitude ski resort. This is an incredibly controversial plan and made more so as it is being pitched as a solution to the traffic congestion in Big Cottonwood Canyon. It is also controversial as Ted has a long history of being a champion of the beleaguered Wasatch and his support for this lift is seen as a betrayal of these values. Ted says it is not and there is a “method to his madness.” Time will tell.

I’m generally bad with dates, but know that I first met Ted on April 3rd, 1993. I remember this date as I met him in a hospital emergency room where is nephew, Roman Latta, was in critical condition after being caught and buried in an avalanche while skiing with me and some other friends earlier that day. I had known Roman for only an hour or two in total before the accident happened, and from the Alaska plates on his Jeep, I thought he was from out of town. As I walked into the emergency room, I was floored to see it packed with people and soon learned that Roman was from Salt Lake City and a large group of family and friends were there to support him, including Uncle Ted. It was a sobering lesson and put a very human face on avalanches for me.

The Central Wasatch Mountains is a tiny little range and after skiing here for a few years, there is often only one or two degrees of separation between people. Due to it being right near a major city and having weird drinking laws, I don’t think it has nearly the cohesive community of places like Jackson Hole or Tahoe, but it is very common to have lots of casual friends, or know of people through immediate friends. This is both good and bad. It is good as skiing buddies are the best friends on earth and everyone has a mutual love of a common interest – skiing (or boarding). It is bad as inevitably in a small range like this, conflicts arise and you find yourself on opposite sides of a fierce debate with someone you know as a friend or have skied with. To complicate this issue, tons of skiers/riders work for the ski industry as guides, instructors, patroller, etc., and they are bound by their employer not to criticize them. Being a free agent with no ties to a ski resort or government agency, people often feed me inside scoops on upcoming controversial developments to help spread the alarm, which I am happy to do, although it often alienates friends.

This is unfortunate, but I also feel very strongly about preserving the Wasatch Mountains, so it comes with the territory. However, many people are not in the position to voice their opinions, which is how many of these controversial projects get rammed through. Public meetings are held and the same ten people speak out against them, while in the background far more people are grumbling about it under their breath. Since moving back to Utah twenty years ago I have seen a vast explosion of development, and that is nothing compared to what the people who have lived here continuously since the 1960′s have seen. It seems obvious to me that if development isn’t reined in the Wasatch will soon become yet another over-priced, over-groomed, over-hyped run of the mill mega resort. The sad part of this is that for many people, this moment can’t come soon enough.

 
Is Talisker trying to buy Solitude? That seems like quite the weird mix to me, other than Solitude's semi-posh village. But the dynamics seems pretty weird to me too. One would need to buy a Canyons lift ticket/season's pass to get into BCC? Doesn't seem like it would see much winter use to me, almost more of a summer site seeing ride than anything else.

I honestly can't see this happening, but you never know with Talisker i suppose.
 
I've always thought about shit like this. Every time im cruising the rope tow at alta, i always think "what if there was a lift to the top of griz then runs down to the bottom of that valley then lifts up the backside of brighton" it would be just like a huge european alps resort with like 40 lifts, it would be so epic.
 
If it was truly european style where everything in between was still wide open bc it would be awesome. but knowing american resorts have the liability issue to deal with it would probably get screwed up somehow. dont really know what to think about all of this.
 
If there only argument is traffic then it is a poor one indeed. One of the reasons for the traffic is that so many people drive the canyon like it is dry pavement when it has just snowed and cause all sorts of accidents. Besides i have only had one maybe two days when i was in traffic and thought, "man i really want to kill myself because of this backup". Personally i don't think it is a good idea because A. there is the previously mentioned liability due to everyones plan to sue someone the minute they get a cut or scratch B. the population of backcountry riders will not be stoked and it will ruin one of the reasons they go out there which is to get away from the resorts and lifts and people and C. There are multiple impacts that this project will making on the area and it will have to be managed and maintained and roads will be put in and more man made object put into the backcountry. Im not an expert, not claiming to be one Im just a skier who likes the way it is now and is not in support of a tram from canyons to solitude.
 
ive always wished that the upper cottonwoods were layed out more like a european resort, simply because they all have separate positive aspects that you have to choose between at this point. I do think that a connected resort should stay at the top of the canyons though, like a connection between brighton-canyons-alta. I don't think this would hurt BC skiers too much because the lower parts of the canyons would still be completely unaffected and that is a large portion of where the BC scene is anyways.
 
I can't see a downside here guys. I would be so stoked if that happened. Twice as big of a mountain.

I know there is a way, with some skinning, to ski from Deer Valley all the way down to Snowbird, and I've always thought it would be awesome to have one huge mountain, but Canyontude would be just as nice.
 
My thoughts1) decrease traffic congestion on LCC/BCC roads due to skiers arriving via Park City area/Canyons tram

2) More lodging options for the BCC/LCC

3) The reality of a $X99 "7 day SLC-Epic pass" connecting you from Deer Valley to Snowbird for tourists like myself.

4) Solitude loses its quiet/slow resort status as the tram terminates on their runs and would be the gateway to BCC
 
Traffic is only really a problem in BCC a handful of times throughout the winter... LCC is where the issue is
 
Yeah I am under some sort of impression that there will be a way to access LCC from BCC as well. Because like you said - BCC is rarely ever an issue.

I just don't see a benefit to connect Park City to BCC
 
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