Summer setup is being weird help

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sullivano*b

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finally got to sesh my summer setup and it wasn't very fun. frustrating and disappointing we're the only ways to describe it, but it wasn't because i didn't have enough speed (although i'm gonna try to get more), it's the rail i think. it's a 6" 14' SDR 35 pvc pipe that should be perfect and it's angled flat/very slightly down. there were a few times were i would straight up just stop dead before the end of the rail and then slide off. it took an aggressive drop in and a LOT of scissoring to make it the end and even then i wouldn't be able to blind 2 if i were jackson karsteter. i used a watering can to get dish soap and water on it like 5 times. i would think that even at like 1 mph i should be able to make it to the end, at least that works during the winter. anyways help me
 
Post pics of setup. What materials do you use for artificial snow? My setup is mSnow with a turf takeoff and landing, but landscaping barrier fencing (usually orange) laid over turf on the drop in is cheaper. Try to have a lip that smoothely ramps up. A flat in run that kicks you up on to the rail can kill a lot of speed.
 
14305546:jompcock said:
Post pics of setup. What materials do you use for artificial snow? My setup is mSnow with a turf takeoff and landing, but landscaping barrier fencing (usually orange) laid over turf on the drop in is cheaper. Try to have a lip that smoothely ramps up. A flat in run that kicks you up on to the rail can kill a lot of speed.
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it's not a smooth transition from slope to lip at all but here:

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14305554:sullivanobrien_ said:
it's not a smooth transition from slope to lip at all but here:
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Honestly that's not bad. I'd try moving the lip up by a few feet. Maybe try with the lip starting right after the white plastic? Another thing that's helped me is to do a light wax with cold wax and don't scrape. Put soapy water on parts you feel really slow you down and stomp around in the suds with skis on.
 
I just looked at your other thread and I'd be willing to bet the long flat transition is slowing you down a ton. Bring the rail up the hill a bit that transition is huge
 
14305559:jompcock said:
Honestly that's not bad. I'd try moving the lip up by a few feet. Maybe try with the lip starting right after the white plastic? Another thing that's helped me is to do a light wax with cold wax and don't scrape. Put soapy water on parts you feel really slow you down and stomp around in the suds with skis on.
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if i put the lip closer to the drop in it'll be on the hill and i can't go up to far bc then the rail can't be flat. i can try to have the rail start where the lip does right now and have the lip up farther but then it's gonna be weird bc the lip won't be a lip it'll be like flat basically unless i make it shorter.
 
14305560:Biffbarf said:
I'd try to get rid of the lip or lower it maybe you're losing a ton of speed there? I bet if you prop your phone up and get a clip you can see exactly where you're hanging up
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getting rid of the lip would be a bit of an issue I think im confused
 
14305562:Biffbarf said:
I just looked at your other thread and I'd be willing to bet the long flat transition is slowing you down a ton. Bring the rail up the hill a bit that transition is huge
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i cant bring it up the hill it wouldn't be flat anymore. it's not a long flat transition it's down hill then flat for 6 inches and then the lip is there and then it's rail
 
Drop in needs to be steeper and the transition has to be shorter. Another trick that I found works better than using lattice is cutting pvc pipes in half and screwing them down underneath your horizontal astroturf strips on the drop in. Instead of a flat surface the pipes give you a nice round surface to slide down and it really makes you go a lot faster.
 
14305575:270on420out said:
Drop in needs to be steeper and the transition has to be shorter. Another trick that I found works better than using lattice is cutting pvc pipes in half and screwing them down underneath your horizontal astroturf strips on the drop in. Instead of a flat surface the pipes give you a nice round surface to slide down and it really makes you go a lot faster.
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can you show me that somehow i'm not great at understanding things via words
 
14305575:270on420out said:
Drop in needs to be steeper and the transition has to be shorter. Another trick that I found works better than using lattice is cutting pvc pipes in half and screwing them down underneath your horizontal astroturf strips on the drop in. Instead of a flat surface the pipes give you a nice round surface to slide down and it really makes you go a lot faster.
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i'm gonna try to make the drop in a little taller but i can't mess with the steepness to much
 
14305573:sullivanobrien_ said:
i cant bring it up the hill it wouldn't be flat anymore. it's not a long flat transition it's down hill then flat for 6 inches and then the lip is there and then it's rail
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I know the long flat transition is downhill what I'm saying is you're likely not building any speed down it because it isn't steep.
 
14305571:sullivanobrien_ said:
if i put the lip closer to the drop in it'll be on the hill and i can't go up to far bc then the rail can't be flat. i can try to have the rail start where the lip does right now and have the lip up farther but then it's gonna be weird bc the lip won't be a lip it'll be like flat basically unless i make it shorter.
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I'd raise the end of the rail a bit. That way it can still be somewhat flat and you'll have more height for spins out. I started out with my rails at a similar height and found my edges catching when setting spins out > 270. A flatter lip is actually pretty good as long as it gives you enough height to get on the rail. Look at Birk Ruuds setup on his insta if you wanna see what I'd do if I had the money. Smooth transition lets you have less of a flat section without it being sketchy, less of a flat section makes getting speed easier.

 
14305576:sullivanobrien_ said:
can you show me that somehow i'm not great at understanding things via words
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Pull up your astroturf. Take a piece of 2’ diameter pvc pipe. Cut it in half into a half circle. Screw the pipe down on your drop in horizontally so that the round part is facing the sky. Repeat every 12 inches (or however far apart your individual boards are) down the drop in. Then tack the astroturf back down on top of the pipes.
 
14305583:jompcock said:
I'd raise the end of the rail a bit. That way it can still be somewhat flat and you'll have more height for spins out. I started out with my rails at a similar height and found my edges catching when setting spins out > 270. A flatter lip is actually pretty good as long as it gives you enough height to get on the rail. Look at Birk Ruuds setup on his insta if you wanna see what I'd do if I had the money. Smooth transition lets you have less of a flat section without it being sketchy, less of a flat section makes getting speed easier.

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unimportant but thats sebastians shcjerves setup not birk ruuds, looking at sebastians youtube has a video about how he made it
 
14305591:270on420out said:
Pull up your astroturf. Take a piece of 2’ diameter pvc pipe. Cut it in half into a half circle. Screw the pipe down on your drop in horizontally so that the round part is facing the sky. Repeat every 12 inches (or however far apart your individual boards are) down the drop in. Then tack the astroturf back down on top of the pipes.
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This. If you turf your steep parts in “stud” sections it helps you go faster. Less friction, more speed. The only thing that should be solid plywood is your flat and your lip. Otherwise it should almost look like a ladder.
 
14305610:vishnusidelipper said:
unimportant but thats sebastians shcjerves setup not birk ruuds, looking at sebastians youtube has a video about how he made it
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Oh thanks. I saw clips on Birks insta at another setup that might be his, also had the same characteristics was talking about.
 
[video]https://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/1007162/trim-BF5BF169-AB36-4027-B0ED-59018BB96430-MOV[/video]

just had a night sesh to test it out and my new setup of the lip and transition/slope worked. i had too much speed tbh but i used a lot of soap and water so maybe less or just water in spots and we'll be set. thanks for input guys
 
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