Street racing

i believe it's 160 hp without the turbo... but the turbo is stock. also, adding 50 hp to a 215/225 hp stock car is a shit load of power... and i only want to change intake/exhaust/pulleys... not doing any nos. i would also put side skirts on it to cheat the wind, and maybe drop it 1-2 inches.

as for the street racing, i think i'm going to stop. there is a track an hour away from me, and i hear of street racing fatalities every day.

But i still want a fast car!

 
I think I'd go for the srt. Pretty sure they are around in NYC now too. Ever been to www.neons.org? Check out the forums, people getting tons of power with simple mods. Mopar is also coming out with factory performance upgrades. The celica is nothing compared to the srt and I'd rather get a new car than a used one that people have been beating the crap out of for 10 years.

 
'yea, i want the best car in that price range and then I'm going to mod it... no matter what i get i'm modding the intake, exhaust, and pulleys.. i might drop a turbo in it if it doesn't have one and i can get a good one for a reasonable price.'

Dude you cant just drop a turbo in a car if you can find it for a reasonable price. It's a huge ass job to take a car from Non aspirated to Turbo, lots of new piping probably an intercooler and the turbo and all that. Also you would have to get an entire new fuel system that can handle the engine. If your gonna turbo a car its gonna take upwards of $1000 EASILY and its gonna take a long time to do and unless you have some mechanical experience your probably gonna fuck it up and not have an engine at all. Or you could pay a mechanic to do it for you for probably another $1000. All and all its not really worth turboing a NA car unless you are really serious about racing at a track and you have another daily driver because turbo cars modded from stock NA arent very reliable.

'Lifes not a bitch, life is a beuatiful woman'

-Aesop Rock
 
forget all of those cars. 4-cylinders are for girls. all cheap japanese cars are for girls too. Get at least a V-6. AT LEAST!!

-The DR.-
 
haha, under_achieved, an exhast tip. nothn pisses me of more than those japanese kids in their cars with the little vibrating tip. if u r gonna mod the exhast go full exhast and shake the ground or forget it. and dont get NOS for 2 reasons

a.) in the long run your engine is gonna be shit and fukerd up

b.) this isnt the fast and the furious... grow up

 
The WRX STi kicks everythings ass. I work at a subaru dealership and got to drive one yesterday. HOLY MOTHER OF GOD!! whoever said 4 cylinders are for girls should just shut the fuck up right now because there is no way in hell you are gonna find a car with 300 horsepower and almost 300 lb/ft of torque (from a stock 4 cylinder) for as cheap as they are letting these go. The base price is like 31K, and the car doesn't fuck around, you have to shift from first in less than a second. If you can find a dealership that has one, try to drive it, or even ride in it, I guarentee that you won't be disappointed.

 
all i gotta say is who cares how fast the neon is...it's still a neon and neon's are gay. wrx and the evo shit on neons.

 
2004/05 will see the best sleeper Subaru when the Legacy B4 is released here.

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Free your mind
 
definitly get a wrx, or get a 2001 2.5rs and put a ej20t motor. 300hp, and its a lot lighter than the newer imprezas

 
Th STi uses an EJ25T with a semi-closed block design. That's why it 300 stock instead of the 280 that the European and Japanese STi use. Also, the FHI turbu isn't even running at full boost, since Subaru tends to keep their turbos set at 12psi

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Aspen23NYC hit the nail on the head...

So you get the SRT-4 and you beat some guy in a more exspensive car...

Who the fuck cares? At the end of the day, you are still driving a fucking Dodge Neon... Everyone and their mother have a Neon...

Look at DSM's if you want a car that mods nicely.

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Also mentioned that are good, Supra's, Camaros (don't be a pussy tho, gotta be either Z28, or SS), WS6 Trans Ams, stuff like that. Those cars will be quick even before mods, and have some fucking style too.

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~Casper

 
Easy, get a suzuki hyabusa. (9s 1/4mile)

or

gixxer 1000(9s)

R1 (10s)

ZX12 (9s)

All less than 25k, especially US.

I've got a $8000(US) bike, (R6 - i've done 11.3s) and have never lost to a car)

 
Oh, btw, forgot to mention. If you've never ridden before, or limited experience. Then each bike mentioned above will kill you before get 500km on it.

 
just so you know any car that you think has 250hp probably has about 150, MAX the dealers messure power at the fly not the wheels and now that you know this i will tell you that turbos are garbage only add about 20 hp to the rear wheels and have 2-3 seconds more turbo lag at the rear wheel than at the fly. get a superCharger. and street glow is tight. and about the whole NOS thing, if you have been circut dragging for about 10 years then go ahead move up but if you are some stupid Asian then know that a civic V-TEC with a direct port fogger NOS system will get about 20,000 miles of use with ocassional nos use before the engine has melted pistons severly worn crankshafts and most likey all the seals of the exhaust and cylender(sp) will be unfixable and lastly your entire exhaust system will be shot. theres a few more than 2 reasons.

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my teacher : don't smoke pot it makes you stupid

ME : shut up bitch

My teach : go to the office and don't talk to me that way

ME : fuck you im leaving

Teach : go to the office

ME : no, but im leaving

Teach : where do you think your going

ME : to smoke a blunt you flaming hippie fag.

that would be funny, the real exchange was not nearly as graphic. but the same ending.
 
download getaway in stockholm 2.. supra is the way to do it

Smoking pot leads to uhh... I forget.

What time is it... saturday?

50 nuts in your mothafuckin' mouth
 
Turbos don't always have lag. It depends on how you have it timed, and how big it is. Smaller turbo=quicker spool but it uses most of its boost right away. Bigger turbo=more lag but once you get it spooled watch the fuck out. Turbos add more hp than superchargers but superchargers, being powered by an pulley on the engine itself give instant boost. It's all in what you are looking for.

 
Street racing is pathetic and useless. Its dangerous as fuck and is basically a fucking cock fight on wheels. Seriously go to a track, sure it costs a bit of cash, but you'll have a fun time and you'll walk away with timeslips, not just heresay.

I am planning to build up an autocross car with a friend this summer, probably a completely stripped SPEC Miata, most likely a 90-93. Real racing, not 'oh shit I just raced my friends Civic at a stoplight.' I want to build up a Fiero too, I think a Mid Engine car would be fun as hell, and unique.

-Andy

Sure, I coulda stayed.

I coulda been king.

But in my own way, I am king.

Hail to the king, baby!

 
Superchargers have more power than turbos, fan supers(supers that look alot like turbos) vs. turbos yes turbos are better, but if you get a 3 screw turbo then you have more power than any turbo ever will have, BUT it costs about 5000 rather than a bilt on turbo for 500, so turbos are not faster falt out but for your money a cheap turbo is alot faster than a cheap super, but on the top end supers are MUCH faster.

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my teacher : don't smoke pot it makes you stupid

ME : shut up bitch

My teach : go to the office and don't talk to me that way

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Teach : go to the office

ME : no, but im leaving

Teach : where do you think your going

ME : to smoke a blunt you flaming hippie fag.

that would be funny, the real exchange was not nearly as graphic. but the same ending.
 
and yeah street racing is pathetic and worthless like Andy said. go to a track, then you have medical crews and skilled racers with for the most part nice well wrenched cars, not, unknown road condidtions, no med crew and dumbass Asian kids with gay cars who don't know how to drive, like you get with SR.

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my teacher : don't smoke pot it makes you stupid

ME : shut up bitch

My teach : go to the office and don't talk to me that way

ME : fuck you im leaving

Teach : go to the office

ME : no, but im leaving

Teach : where do you think your going

ME : to smoke a blunt you flaming hippie fag.

that would be funny, the real exchange was not nearly as graphic. but the same ending.
 
Half the fun of going to a track is seeing other peoples cars too. If you need any help with a certain mod or mechanical work, tracks and car meets are great places to get info and knowledge too. If you are really into your car you can always find a car club either related to your car, or just one in general for your class of car. One of the cool things about going to places like that is the huge age range that competes, there are the crotchety old guys who seem to know everything and you've got the younger guys who are eager to learn and are competitive.

heres a decent video of an autocross meet in a parking lot. Its a car club that meets up, nothing professional. Just something thats a lot more fun and challanging than streetdragging.

Download from here.

-Andy

Sure, I coulda stayed.

I coulda been king.

But in my own way, I am king.

Hail to the king, baby!

 
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA wooo shit I havent laughed like that in a while. no wait HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. he didnt just say what i think he did. did he?. a super is BETTER than a turbo? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. I wont rip a strip off ya yet, I'll give you a chance to search/ask around and realize what you just said. go to www.howstuffworks.com then take a thermodynamics class and you'll realize a turbo cant be beat.

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Super chargers and turbo chargers. Totally depends on the type of engine... i would never put a super charger on a Wankel rotary, and you dont see turbo charged dragsters. Supercharges put way more boost, so i dont know how some people come up with what they are saying...

-The DR.-
 
ha u boys like ur cars, you wanna go fast? get a crotch rocket, fast ass and if u can't ride a bike get the fuck outta here. i like cars that look sweet and can go, but for 1/4 mile there's nothin wrong with a bike. you could probably get a crotch rocket and insure it for 25K. god, most ninja's are under 10k and that's stock, u don't need to mess with em and they look sooooooo much better, plus chicks really notice a guy on a bike.but whatever if i had 25K i'd get a ninja or something better.

RES

Just say fuck it and huck it!
 
i asked my tutor whose a grad student in jet engineereing about the whole turbo thing, he said that in THEORY the turbo can produce limitless amounts of boost, but in practice a turbo cannot produce more power than a super simply because of lack of efficiancy, the turbo is unable to be used to its full potential for many other reasons dealing with the simple strength of the engine, a head gasket can only take so much pressure before it pops. but to answer the question of turbo over super generally yes, a turbo can be used to creat thousands of HP but one must have turbo-shafted jet engine. supers in cars are better because they produce the same amount of power as a turbo but do not lag, saying that one is better becasue it can produce more power is stupid becasue in practice on has lag and the other not and in any production car, they have the same power capabilities so they both do the same thing but one does it faster.

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my teacher : don't smoke pot it makes you stupid

ME : shut up bitch

My teach : go to the office and don't talk to me that way

ME : fuck you im leaving

Teach : go to the office

ME : no, but im leaving

Teach : where do you think your going

ME : to smoke a blunt you flaming hippie fag.

that would be funny, the real exchange was not nearly as graphic. but the same ending.
 
Mr.Cheese sorta knows whats going on...I'd rather shoot myself in the foot than ride a ninja. Get a bike, its true, much quicker, much sexier.

BTW- there are more bikes out there then ninjas and harleys.

 
Ihaven't read any of the threads...but get a WRX

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a couple of things. First if your talking under 25k and you want pure horsepower, you have to talk about the Mitsubishi 3000 GT VR-4 and the Supra Turbo. Both put out about 320 each but are heavier than most other rice.

As for the dodge, its a nice car and i like it but it doesnt go in the same category as WRX or the Evo, of which the WRX Sti is better. It was in road and track recently.

And last thing, about turbos and superchargers. Super can put out more power but turbo are designed to work better with smaller engines like 4' and 6's. Thats why you always see Supers on mustangs and V8's or bigger. I have a book about it and turbo's are better becuase of a think called 'parasitic losses.' Without to much detail is basically means that super chargers take Hp away from the crank shaft to produce high boost power where turbo's dont take nearly as much. This is all from a book called 'hond/acura perfromnce' hope that helps you bro

Not being able to speak is not the same as not speaking. You seem as if you like to talk. I like to let people talk who like to talk. It makes it easier to find out how full of shit they are.
 
I didn't read any of the above, but I know a guy that just bought an older Nissan Skyline in Seattle for about 17,000$ and that gives you about 350HP, and one of the raddest cars, driver on the right side. And an extra 8,000$ to add on stuff. But good luck finding a deal like that. If you do that is the best choice though.

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Half the fun is buying a car that isn't fast and making it fast. Not buying a premade car for you. I have the ultimate respect for people who take Civics and actually make them FAST (meaning handling as well, not just fast in a straight line)

-Andy

Sure, I coulda stayed.

I coulda been king.

But in my own way, I am king.

Hail to the king, baby!

 
don't go street racing, you will not only endanger your life but others as well. if you want a fast car for cheap, i would suggest an older RX-7 with a rotary engine. it produce a lot more power in a smaller package, which means you will save a lot of weight. if you really want to street race, get a bike. r6, or a cbr F4i would be great to start with and you would kill all the ricer off the stop light. also if u messed up, you will only kill yourself and not anyone eles(that is unless the other is a perdestrian).

 
yeah a ninja was all i could think of at the time. but common if u want a sweet ride get a bike.

RES

Just say fuck it and huck it!
 
'also if u messed up, you will only kill yourself and not anyone eles'

Not completely treu either. Because if you fuck up on a bike, peple might swerve, putting them in shittys ituations, which could screw sht up.

It's dangerous, but I must admit to taking part in it every now and again. Track is better though. And AutoX 0wnZ j00!!

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~Casper

 
there is NO WAY in hell a supercharger can be more efficient than a turbo for 1 simple reason: a supercharger runs off a pulley, meaning it uses a little engine power to make more power, which is good but the power used off the pulley is a direct loss of efficiency. A turbo on the other hand uses exhaust energy which is normally wasted to make more power meaning a turbo uses virtually nothing (waste) to make more power with minimal loss of efficiency. Be careful of the words you use - here I'm talking about actual thermodynamic and mechanical efficiency and a turbo has a clear advantage.

Yes supers have minimal lag because they run at engine speed, but that is also a limiting factor. The blades of a turbine are set at a certain fixed shape and angle - 'pitch'. The blades of any given turbine will flow the most air at the best efficiency at a specific speed. below that speed and the turbine cuts through the air, not pushing as much as it should, above that speed, the blades cavitate which creates wasteful swirling eddys behind each blade. Now thats not to say the turbine is useless except at a certain speed, but thats when it works best. Now since supers spool up so fast, their blades are pitched to provide top air flow in the low to mid range, to do otherwise would be a waste of the superchargers characteristics. A turbo's blades are pitched to provide mid to high end torque to take advantge of the fact that the more exhaust that flows (high rpm) the faster and therefore more air a turbo can flow which in turn produces yet more exhaust energy to drive the turbo. So you can see, the turbo is only restricted by exhaust flow while a super is limited by actual engine speed which are 2 completely different things.

But enough theory. Lets look at the differences between real world superchargers and turbochargers. Its rare to find a super that will pump out much more than 8psi of boost. The Paxton NOVI-2000 puts out 27psi and thats a hardcore racing state-of-the-art super. (remember to also take into account the VOLUME of air at any given boost pressure - its easy to pressurize air, its hard to pressurize and flow large amounts of it.) Now look at turbos, the dinky lil IHI RHB5's flow 15psi. While a race built IHI RX6 (state-of-the-art) will flow 6bar of boost (70+psi). apples to apples, pound for pound a turbo will always be better. A mid-size (ie. T3/T04E) turbo can double or triple an engines output, while most popular supers give a 15 - 40% increase.

Torque increase for common supers:

Whipple super for Ford 6.8L V6 - 55% increase

TRD for Toyota 3.4L - 23% increase

PowerDyne for LT1 engine - 35% increase

dont get me wrong, a super is a great tool to get more out of an engine, particularly power that would be helpful in daily driving situations and taking an average car and making it a 'quick' car, but if want raw crazy power it always has and always will be a turbo you want.

Here is a graph for a Whipple supercharger for the Ford 6.8L engine. Notice how torque actually drops with engine speed and how the curve with the super closely follows the curve of the stock engine, while supplying more torque of course.

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if the neon's engine can't handle the horsepower and boost why would mopar be realeasing a factory turbo upgrade to push the car past 250hp and still honor the warranty?

its ugly, but forged engine components with underrated horsepower(according to most reliable car magazines including C&D), which was a lot to begin with, brembo breaks, and good handling for 20,000 is simply a great deal

its only weaknesses are the name, past realiability issues(have to wait and see if they occur again), and lack of an LSD, which dodge also happens to be releasing later on and will be availiable from the aftermarket

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i never said a super was more efficient than a super i said that because of lack of efficiency, a turbo can only produce so much power, but more than a super, of course. i said that if a turbo was perfectly efficient then you could produce infinite power. jet engines are perfectly efficient turbos, they produce thousands of HP becaseu of the way they are desigened. a turbo for a car, can only produce so much power. but if you look at pure power turbos are more powerful, but line times are dominated by supers. in fact your long rant proved my point of supers being quiker to speed but turbos being more powerful, i hope you are now enlightend to my real meaning.

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my teacher : don't smoke pot it makes you stupid

ME : shut up bitch

My teach : go to the office and don't talk to me that way

ME : fuck you im leaving

Teach : go to the office

ME : no, but im leaving

Teach : where do you think your going

ME : to smoke a blunt you flaming hippie fag.

that would be funny, the real exchange was not nearly as graphic. but the same ending.
 
taking a brake from the turbo/supercharger arguement I would like to know what a toxic grab is and whats the differenc between a cork 7 and a dspin?? it all comes down to personal preference.

stock srt + low 14s = hahahahaha, right buddy, there is no way in hell that car can run that quick.

 
BUY A TRUCK PUSSIES

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^bit rich coming from you.

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my teacher : don't smoke pot it makes you stupid

ME : shut up bitch

My teach : go to the office and don't talk to me that way

ME : fuck you im leaving

Teach : go to the office

ME : no, but im leaving

Teach : where do you think your going

ME : to smoke a blunt you flaming hippie fag.

that would be funny, the real exchange was not nearly as graphic. but the same ending.
 
oh. i get it now.

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'Dude, check out this nasty gouge.'

'Your mom has a nasty gouge.'

'He's from Quebec. They pee on the lawn.'

 
my friend has an audi s4 with a body kit and system and nos and all this shit in the engine hes got over 500 horsepower and hes gotten it up to 200+

me: pepsi twist taste the exact same as normal pepsi.

my friend: no it doesnt , it has a twist.
 
I'm going to guess 200 miles per hour, not kilometers per hour.

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when its all done your still in a neon...dont get a neon

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Bikes are the way to go dude for one thing they are sickly quick. GSX-R1000 has been my best one yet. 149.6 horses at the WHEEL on a freakin bike that weighs 365 pounds dry weight. Plus the financing is at lie 210 a month nothing down. Insurance is also only like 500 a year. Its only that high because of my racing background. That 149 is stock. I have a full yoshimura titanium exhaust ohlins front fork, steering dampner,and rear suspension. I also have a jet kit from two brothers racing and EK chain. I have a racing cam shaft package coming in. And new pirelli diablo tires. Next step are OZ wheels and brembo brake upgrade. I should be pushing bout 175 -180 horses now thats sick shit. You wanna sweet ride for not that much suzuki all the way. The hardest part is convincing the rents.

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