Stop the NRA

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Here's a message from some sensible people, and a petition that you, if you are sensible, should sign.

To sign the petition:http://www2.stopthenra.com/petition.html

Dear All:

We know we are all bombarded with the news of the day. But what we are writing about is mind-boggling and timely.

Once again, the NRA leadership has gone too far. This time they have truly gone off the deep end. Unbelievably, the NRA wants to put AK-47s and Uzis back on our streets. And unless the assault weapons ban is renewed this summer, these illegal weapons will be legal again.

So today, in response to this latest NRA madness, we're launching a major Internet campaign for one million signatures and $2 million, to beat back the NRA's extremist agenda once again. We need your help for this most serious issue but first read all about it here. Sign the petition. click here. Contribute to the campaign. It's worth $50 to keep assault weapons off the street. click here.

This is what newspapers around the country said last month when we defeated the NRA's heinous bill that would have given legal immmunity to Bull's Eye, the gun shop that armed the D.C. snipers, and other reckless gun dealers:

'The Senate dealt a double blow to the National Rifle Association ...' --Wall Street Journal

'The vote gave Democrats and gun control advocates an unexpected victory in the GOP-controlled Congress ...' --Associated Press

NRA Board member and Senator Larry Craig is second from the left. Click here to hear him sing.

'Both sides agreed that the outcome shifted the political landscape surrounding the contentious issue of gun control.' --New York Times

How did all this happen? You did it. You did it with your petition signing, your e-mails to Washington and your financial contributions. Now we need your help again.

It's staggering. But in the face of its defeat on the immunity bill, the NRA actually wants to put illegal Uzis and AK-47s back on our streets. And here's why, directly from the mouth of NRA board member and U.S. Senator Larry Craig on the Senate floor just last month.

Something About Mary...

'Here is ... why a law-abiding gun owner would purchase one of these [semiautomatic] firearms ... This person's name is Mary ... and she happens to use a Colt AR-15. It is a semiautomatic that uses a 20 round-clip. That is what she hunts her deer with. That is what she kills her deer with. So she ... wrote us and sent us a picture saying: Look, what the semiauto ban of 1994 does is it eliminates this kind of firearm, and, in essence, it eliminates the ability of a smaller person to go out into the brush to hunt deer and to recreate in that fashion.' -- Congressional Record, March 1, 2004

Here is Osama Bin Laden and his AK-47 rifle. If the assault weapon ban isn't renewed, the semi-automatic version of this rifle will be back on our streets. Insane? We think so.

You know, if you had only told us before that small people needed assault weapons to 'recreate,' we wouldn't have made such a big deal about banning these weapons ten years ago.

We thought these assault weapons needed to be taken off and kept off the streets forever because:

--Patrick Purdy used an AK-47 to kill five children and wound 29 others at a school in Stockton, CA.

--Because James Huberty killed 21 people and wounded 15 others using an Uzi in San Ysidro, CA.

--And because George Banks killed 13 people in Wilkes-Barre, PA using an AR-15. (Yes, the same AR-15 that Mary uses to 'recreate.')

We could go on and on and on but you get the idea. (For more information about these weapons, click here.)

We need to make it crystal-clear to President Bush, who says he supports the assault weapons ban, that he has no choice but to tell House Majority Leader Tom DeLay that he must pass a renewal of the ban. DeLay says he has 'no intention' of bringing up the bill for a vote. But what can you expect? Sign the petition.

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In 1995, an anti-terrorism proposal in Congress was blocked because 'Tom DeLay ... agreed with the NRA that the proposed restrictions on bomb making infringed on the right to bear arms.' Someone please tell us this is all a bad dream.

So our job: Make President Bush live up to his word. We know that might sound extremely difficult given his recent track record ... but that's we intend to do. After all, 78% of Americans think these illegal assault weapons should not be put back on our streets.

And it's not just us who think this is nuts. Some of Bush's closest advisors agree.

Former Mayor of New York City Rudy Giuliani says: 'There should be very, very few litmus tests, but someone who now voted to roll back the assault-weapons ban would really be demonstrating that special interest politics mean more to them than life-or-death issues.'

Tom Ridge, Secretary of the Homeland Security Department: when he was in Congress and running for governor, he voted for the ban on assault weapons, saying: 'We must change our strategy in the war against crime ... As governor ... I will enact a tough, comprehensive crime bill ... [including] the ban of assault weapons ...'

With your help, we will begin immediately with our major advertising and public relations campaign and beat the NRA again. Please ...

Sign the petition:http://www2.stopthenra.com/petition.html

770 people died from terrorist attacks in 2003

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^^I'm canadian and not that on top of that stuff but that's crazy shit man, I'll DEFINITELY sign the petition. I hate the NRA and guns on the whole as it is but they've gone WAY too far with this

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There's a little saying that I like:

'Guns don't kill people. They just make it real easy.'

Stacie: 'Aren't you going to open your gift?'

Wayne: 'If it's a severed head, I'm going to be very upset.'
 
Is that actually true, or is it a clever e-ploy to get 2 million in donations?

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its pointless...to allow ak-47's an uzis to become legal again is for ACTUAL OWNERS...you think a BAN is going to keep these weapons outve dangerous peoples hands? jesus no...crack and whatever dealers buy those things on the black market about as often as i buy gas

they want to allow it to be legal for private gun enthusiasts to posess these weapons...anyone would would actually BUY would understands weapons enough not to be a threat...you know how many guns there are in the US alone, and the number of gun deaths....the ratio of cars to car accidents resulting in deaths is going to be over guns sold to gun related killings...yet you dont see people out there trying to ban cars

whether these guns continue to be banner or not, i really dont care, haha but gun deaths are still going to occur, just as car deaths will

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sorry to break your little dreams but ak-47's and uzis are currently legal. My friend has an ak-47 and I saw an uzi in a gunshop the other day all you need is a class 3 license to own a fully automatic weapon.

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Cars aren't meant to kill people, H30. Automatic weapons have no other conceivable purpose... do you really need to kill a deer THAT MUCH? It wasn't dead enough after the first 5 bullets, it needed a couple hundred more? Who needs these weapons?

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I just dont see what making them illegal will accomplish. you can kill more people with a cup of gasoline and a match

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so are simple hunting rifles, designed to kill, its all in the aspect of how u want to use it...when i mowed lawns at our local c.c...the mechanic Barney owned two ak's and he loved them...granted hes a redneck..but id trust him being near me with a gun anyway...even a simple handgun has the same kill potential as an AK, one bullets enough

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I don't know about you guys, but spraying a deer with an AR-15 just isn't my idea of a good time.

But a very good point was made, these semi-auto weapons aren't going to be stopped, because crack dealers etc, will just buy them off the black market. But seriously, do we really need to make it even easier to own these things? I'm going to assume that to get a class 3 gun license you have to get some form of education and training. If you can buy these guns with that, why should we make it so that the uneducated, and untrained, can get them?

Warning: If you are reading this then this warning is for you. Every word you read of this useless fine print is another second off your life. Don't you have other things to do? Is your life so empty that you honestly can't think of a better way to spend these moments? Or are you so impressed with authority that you give respect and credence to all who claim it? Do you read everything you're supposed to read? Do you think everything you're supposed to think? Buy what you're told you should want? Get out of your apartment. Meet a member of the opposite sex (or same sex if you prefer). Stop the excessive shopping and masturbation. Quit your job. Start a fight. Prove you're alive. If you don't claim your humanity you will become a statistic.

You have been warned…

 
u think u would only be able to have a bolt action rifle at best. it'd be hard to hide one of those or kill a lot of people real fast

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I can get you an AK from the Asian Mafia here in Charlotte, also hookers if you want them

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whats next shotguns, some rifles cause they can be semi auto as well! I could do as much damage if not more with a handgun, they have clips just as large and are semi auto as well. Now dont get me wrong i see no reason for fully automatic weapons to be available, but the 'bad guys' are still going to get the guns even if every gun is outlawed. Maybe we should look at the roots of violence in our society, maybe try and make a difference there. novel idea eh?

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you fuckers.......UZIS AND AKS ARE COOL...i want one. finally it will be legal. you people must not be around guns cause they are great!you know how fun it is to hunt? well just imagine hunting with an ak...10 times the fun!!!!!

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^but its still not gonna be legal to hunt with them......but imagine how sweet it would be too!!!i have a closet full of guns and adding those to our collection would be nice. and dont kill people. its the stupid people that dont know how to use them and guns just allow them to kill easier....thats like banning knives from your kitchen or banning axes. THEY ARE JUST TOOLS!

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My god i hope some of these posts are sarcastic. Also thank god i dont have to deal with stupid people and guns. America has got it wrong. And whats worse is that some people think its right!!! Some americans are so self righteous they dont even realise that there totaly in the wrong, and are too egotistical to admit it when they in fact realise when they are wrong.

(this does not in anyway mean the whole of the US, im sure there are the same amount of dick heads in the UK. Its just there not in power.)

 
'Unbelievably, the NRA wants to put AK-47s and Uzis back on our streets. '

These guns are already on the street, as I said before I can get them, but just not legally. So why should it matter if responsable gun owners own them, the criminal world already does?

'--Patrick Purdy used an AK-47 to kill five children and wound 29 others at a school in Stockton, CA.

--Because James Huberty killed 21 people and wounded 15 others using an Uzi in San Ysidro, CA.

--And because George Banks killed 13 people in Wilkes-Barre, PA using an AR-15. (Yes, the same AR-15 that Mary uses to 'recreate.') '

If there is already an assult rifle ban then how did these people get these weapons? Don't be ignorant, you use examples of weapons that are not legally bought, so how would a ban make a diffrence?

The bottom line is these guns are already here and on the streets, so what diffrence does a ban make, if you want the gun you can get it.

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''The bottom line is these guns are already here and on the streets, so what diffrence does a ban make, if you want the gun you can get it.'' - Americans are so scared for no aparent reason sometimes. the fact is that automatic guns cirtanly arnt very common. a very high percentage of convidted fellons have not had a criminal record in the past, you know what that means, they would be able to get ahold of a AK or an uzi. that is prutty shitty if you ask me. oh and i am so glad good old Bush is sticking to his word and renenwing the assault rifel ban or whatever it was . Handguns should be not be legal peroid! there is no reason for them. (exept for i suppose police should have them). the only guns that should be leagle, like someone else said, are bolt action rifles.

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THen why not make only pro-american speech legal, the second amendment is just as important as the first. When you start to say well, this doesn't need to include this, then you get into a nasty slide. If you ban part of the constitution then you make yourself pron to get other parts comprimised. Saying that hand guns should not be legal is like saying that anti-american speech should not be legal. I hope you can follow my logic on that.

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i understand that, but mabey the constitution needs some revisions. all the 2nd amendment says is ''Right To Bear Arms'' what does that mean? how the fuck come it is illegal to own a nuke then? how come it is illegal to own an AK or an uzi? because some people are reasonable. it is all about what is reasonable. owning a rifel is still owning a firearm, and owning a bolt action rifle should be legal. your right to bear arms will not have been taken away if handguns are banned. just your right to bear cirtan arms will have been and you already dont have the right to bear cirtan arms....

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I know, but revising the constitution won't work, just like there will be no constitutional gay marrige ban, it is too hard to do, and rightfully so. Honestly it doesn't make a diffrence to me or most of the NRA members like me, if the bill lapses I won't be running out to buy an AK. People would buy them, gun enthusists, survivalists, etc., but no one planning on crime because it is going to have to be registered and it will be more expensive then getting it through the asians or any other black marketteers. What it boils down too is this is the conservative version of legalizing pot, no one would really get hurt, it would be easier to get it illegally and cheaper, and it is just a big fuss over nothing.

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guns are cool....every kid should have them

i have no problem with lifting a ban on assault rifles..people are gonna die ban or no bad because any lunatic with half a brain can get ahold of one..if you lift the ban, there will be tighter regulations on obtaining one...so maybe the wacko will have to go without his AK, but i know id be getting myself one when their legal/i get money

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haha how aweful

--Patrick Purdy used an AK-47 to kill five children and wound 29 others at a school in Stockton, CA.

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Back in 1999, what if they had made pokemon cards illegal? Sure, some kids would still have them. But if they are legal, every pokemon fan would have them.

Don't tell me it's just as easy to kill with a handgun as it is with an automatic. That's like saying its easier to play a game of darts with only one dart instead of 3. Ever seen the movie Heat? Watch that movie, and you will see what happens.

Yes, you can buy AKs and uzis already, but only semi-auto. If you want to see automatic weapons involved in bank robberies, drive-bys, and killing sprees just so you can have a little feeling of power with your gun that's fucked up. I think AK-47s are really cool, but everyone shouldn't be able to buy one. I'll stick to videogames for my gun fix.

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Ill say this once and ill say it again AK's AND UZI's ARE CURRENTLY LEGAL. You can buy one at a gun store. They just arnt allowed to import anymore, but all the ones that are at gun stores are being currently sold. Are the streets crazy right now with people running around spraying each other with uzis and Ak's? Dont try to say a bolt action rifle poses no threat with a madman behind it. I personally own a bolt action high powered rifle and could easily sit up on a hill above salt lake and kill hundreds of people before they found me. Remeber its not the gun its the intent behind the gun. If some asshole wants to kill alot of people hes gonna do it. If that means shooting a bunch of people from a clocktower or burning down an orphange at night.

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I still don't understand why you'd want access to these things unless you plan on committing a crime.

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For some people guns are a hobby, some people are collecters, enthusists, or have a small penis. But as long as they are not killing people, endangered animals, more animals then there license provides for, or distroying property then what is the problem? Like it was said before, its not the type gun but the people with the gun.

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As has been suggested, what if I'm an enthusiast of nuclear physics who happens to have billions of dollars? Why can't I be a nuclear weapons collector?

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Thats just plain absurd, small arms and wepeons of mass distruction are not even in the same ballpark.

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Why not? Don't just tell me it's absurd, give me a reason.

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To a certain degree i agree with you JD but there are legitimate reasons for owning semi auto guns for hunting. There is no reason for fully auto. I dont see i whole lot of reason for handguns either for that matter. Crime should not be the motivating factor behind these bans though, accidents should. I would like to see a statistic on how many 'assault weapons' that have been bought LEGALLY were used for violent crimes, i would be willing to bet it would be less than 1%.

To repond to the person who said earlier where is Michael Moore you might also want to know that Michael Moore is a card carrying member of the NRA. The NRA yes has some gun nuts and does take an extreme view on things but then again there are the groups on the other side that take an extreme opposite view, these groups tend to level each other out and creat a middle of the road agreement which is most of the time what is the concensus of the public.

You may see the NRA as gun nuts buyt trust me not everyone who is a member is a gun nut, they just want their right to bear arms (most of them specifically for hunting).

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The ppl that want to use these guns for crime are going to get them, legal or not. They will just be able to get them off the black market, like someone up there said. Making these weapons legal may not be all bad, because now ppl can use them for self defense.

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You cant kill a deer with an ICBM and still be able to eat it.

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If we accept the conclusion that fully automatic weapons are useful only in the capacity of killing other human being when put to practical use (you wouldn't use them for hunting, etc.), and bigj is saying we should be able to collect these types of things, why can't I collect nukes? I want some damn nukes.

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J.D just because shooting and collecting guns arnt your hobby's doesnt mean they are legitimate hobbies. What conveiable purpose does skiing have other than recreation? People get hurt and killed everyday skiing. Theres a large industry surrounding guns. For the most part people use them responsibly. There will always be a small percentage of people who abuse anything and ruin it for everyone. The majority of people who LEGALLY own guns will never commit crimes with them. It's usually people who obtain guns illegally that commit crimes with them anyway.

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Bigj, you can't fill a deer with holes from an Ak and still be able to eat it. It's retarded. Why would you use it for hunting? I could say i'm hunting deer with an ICBM, I just like my meat charred. It makes about as much sense as saying you'd rather have a few hundred rounds through your venison.

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Exactly Ice, so why can't I collect nuclear weapons, god dammit! Seriously, I want someone to give me a real answer.

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I am sure that you can go out to the Nevada desert and find all sorts of fun stuff to collect, but don't come running to me when you have radiation poisoning.

Really, no one wants to collect nukes, its not even an issue, and if someone does then I don't think just the anti-second amendment people are going to have a problem with it.

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Well I suppose the 2nd amendment protects you but thats a bit of a liability. I'll meet you in the middle and allow you to own fission bombs. But fusions are a no-no. As far as assault rifles yeah hunting deer witht hem would be stupid unless they are semi-auto. As far as recreational shooting goes machine guns are a blast. call me a redneck call me what you will they are fun to shoot.

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Ok, look, you guys are trying to get around the argument here. Assume I want to collect WEAPONS CAPABLE OF DESTROYING CITIES. They have no other purpose. They are active. Now, i'm not the type to go destroying cities, I just want to collect them, because that's a hobby that interests me. Why can't I? WHY, MR. WRIGHT?!?

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I am curous to see if there is a law on the books prohibiting citizens from own nukes, I would not be suprized if it would be legal through some loophole.

And there are lots of other things that are perfectly legal that can kill someone just as easily as a gun and is designed for it, swords for example, go to the flea market and have a look at all the legal broadswords.

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*ding*... should fully sharpened, battle ready swords be allowed? That's another discussion. They are pretty cool... but why do you need them sharpened? Planning on dismembering someone?

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they already coverd that in an episode of south park

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