STOP GENOCIDE IN SUDAN

*DrewT*

*DrewT*

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hey NS, just letting everyone here know that Give Hope Clothings newest t-shirt design is now available. 50% of the profits go to Save Darfur, an organization working towards ending the genocide in Darfur, Sudan. You can join my facebook group for more info on the cause. Talk to me if you'd like to order a shirt. They're $20 dollars each.

http://www.facebook.com/groups.php?ref=sb#/group.php?gid=17884025285

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I would really like to see where the money goes.

Money is the last thing that is needed to end the genocide in Sudan.
 
touche. very good point.
also, while i agree that this is a good cause, i really hate seeing threads like this and people screaming from the mountaintops about how much we need to save darfur and cure the world of all of its problems. the roots of this conflict are something that needs to be fixed by the people of sudan themselves, not america playing world police as usual.
that being said, +K for trying to do some good in this world
 
Word +K for good intentions.

It also doesn't help that China and Russia are pumping arms into the conflict.
 
yea there is no access allowed in that region for aid groups...unless its in chad so I don't really understand where the money goes...
 
im doing something really similar. im a representative for Noggin Fodder, which right now is sending money to build schools in afghanistan. check out my thread about it. www.nogfod.com
 
sick shirt good cause but i personally think that it is not going to help much i mean a lot of themoney ends up in warlords and druglords and watnot and also the only way to stop this is to go in there and fight for one side. also, africans have had so mahy problems for so many years and when we first invaded we made them even worse by changing territories and watnot so there will always be conflicts there and for the most part very poor area.
 
There's 2 million + people displaced in camps surrounding the region that are entirely dependent on humanitarian aid....which, incidentally, is why the no-fly zone solution proposed by many (including Sen. Clinton) would be an unbelievable catastrophe.
 
Recently watched a movie called "The Devil came in on horseback" regarding this atrocity. Extremely graphic, extremely eye opening.
 
what really needs to happen is intervention from the UN because they haven't done shit to stop the genocide.
 
Well the UN doesn't have a very good track record on these types of things. And I think it would be better for everyone if it was the AU that got involved...if only they had the resources and personnel they need.
 
The money goes to an organization called Save Darfur. www.savedarfur.com they understand they can't just pump money into the country, that will worsen the situation, they money will go towards raising awareness and push the UN to do something, as well as pushing countries like china to stop funding the Sudaneese government which is behind the whole thing.

and I read a few times that it's something that the sudaneese people need to work out themselves... interesting standpoint, would it have been better if the jews and the nazis just worked things out themselves?

I think this whole thing is disgusting, it shows our total disregard of the 3rd world, the UN was started specifically to ensure that another genocide would occur, we've fucked it up plenty of times since the holocaust, this is the first time in the history of the world that any major political power has declared genocide while it was actually happening (that includes the holocaust) and we're falling flat on our faces. 90% of the people I talk to have never even heard of Darfur or Sudan let alone that there is a genocide occuring there. Watch some documentaries on it, the sudaneese people want the world to help them, they are completely helpless right now, they aren't even getting enough food sent to refugee camps, they have to send women out to look for more food, if they get caught they get raped but they can't send the men because they'll be killed.

I find it disgusting that people can just say there's nothing we can do, that's completly not true, if the people work together they can make a change. Maybee people should stop giving the sudaneese government weapons???
 
I can understand your compassion for the situation. I think that' a real good thing. Also, it is pathetic that nobody is aware of the situation. Unfortunately, nobody was aware of Rwanda and that was a much much worse genocide than Darfur currently is, however that doesn't mean we shouldn't stop it.

What you need to understand is it is far more complex than you make it out to be. It's not like we can just trounce in there and say China stop selling weapons and the government to stop committing acts of murder. There are several large rebel groups participating in the killings also. These are groups not funded by the government, and the problem is they don't even know what they want. There is no general consensus right now in Sudan. The AU should be the main leader in this situation, not the UN. The UN is highly looked down upon in Sudan and are claimed to be entrenching on the country's sovereignty. China definitely isn't helping the situation. It's not like they are condoning the genocide they are just looking out for national interests. It may not be the moral thing to do, but the US has done it several times too.

I have met a few people from Sudan, one who had his entire family murdered in front of him. It's real hard to hear these stories when you know stuff like this is still going on. However, the best thing you can do is not donate money to some group. It is contacting your senator or governor and asking for more recognition in schools and in the government. That would be what I would do.
 
Definitely. And while I agree that the AU would be a better organization to take the lead in Sudan than the UN, that's not really a perfect solution either. For one thing, the AU simply doesn't have the resources to successfully intervene, nor do they have the authorization to do anything besides observing and defending themselves. And Darfur is not particularly high on the AU's priority list anyway - the situation in the DRC is a more significant crisis at the moment, and Zimbabwe and Somalia are both on the verge of crumbling into (even further) chaos any day now. The situation in Darfur is ongoing, yes, but it's not nearly as urgent today as it was in 2003 and 2004 (back when NATO action such as a no-fly zone would have actually been useful).

And to those who try to pin this all on European colonialism...again, it's not nearly that simple. Of all the crises in Africa, the one in Darfur (and now, increasingly, Chad) has perhaps the least to do with Europe. The way the French drew borders in the region didn't help ease tensions, but it didn't create them either. Sudan and Chad lie on a major cultural fault line between Arab Muslims in the north and Christian and animist black Africans in the south, and conflict between them goes back to the Arabs raiding the south to obtain slaves centuries before Europeans set foot in Africa. It's also been severely exacerbated by the Sahara's expansion and increasing water shortages in the region.

I go back and forth on what I think should be done in Darfur, but it's an extremely complex problem. Getting China to divest would help some, yes. But it wouldn't heal the thousand-year old problems faced in Sudan altogether. And it's also not going to happen - China and Sudan need each other too much. China already gets about 7% of their oil from Sudan if I'm not mistaken, and Sudan as a result has one of the fastest growing economies in Africa (and in the world).

So let's not oversimplify this too much. I'm certainly not opposed to helping in some way, but throwing money at the problem isn't the answer, especially in Africa where Western aid frequently fuels corruption and gives capital to a violent black market economy, or at the very least makes the recipient nations dependent on outside assistance and incapable of self-sufficiency. And as good as "increased awareness" would be, more people knowing about Darfur doesn't make the problem any simpler to solve. (And by the way, you must be hanging out with a lot of really stupid, uninformed people if they haven't heard of Sudan or Darfur - at my school EVERYONE knew about them, although only on a simplistic, naive, "blame-it-all-on-Western-imperialism" level).
 
Listen to this man...

Khartoum is a much better place than when people like Bin Laden ran it. It is getting more and more developed each day. However I believe it was the British that actually drew the line between North and South, not the French. That was one of the major problems today, that and the oil discoveries just before the civil wars. It is also important to remember they just came off a civil war not too long ago that was extremely bloody. One of the major problems was during these, there was a large amount of oil discovered in the North. Now the south figured they could get a share of the profit since they were a "unified" country. However, the North kept it for themselves. Well, a few years later an even bigger oil deposit was found in the South. When the South wouldn't split the profit, the North invaded.

But have no fear, a new UN resolution will be popping up in 2010. This could be for the better or worse...
 
I'm not 100% where the modern boundaries came from exactly - I know Chad was French (believe it was part of French Equatorial Africa) and Sudan was British (it was previously Anglo-Egyptian Sudan). But part of the problem is that the borders are further south than where they culturally probably should be.

And yeah, the presence of significant oil reserves in Sudan is what makes the country interesting to outsiders these days, although, contrary to popular belief, there is none in Darfur (nor is there anything else there). Oil in the south is apparently looking pretty attractive to other African power brokers too - the pirating of the Faina (the Ukrainian ship carrying 33 tanks towards Mombasa) a few weeks ago brought that into focus; there's pretty significant evidence that the Kenyans were purchasing the tanks on behalf of Southern Sudan...which would put the ceasefire that ended the most recent civil war in a pretty precarious position.
 
Well I don't really know exactly what needs to be done, but something has to happen, I'm not starting my own organization I'm just supporting an already established one, which is pushing for lots of the stuff you've mentioned. They send out e-mails on important bills, etc. asking members to write to their senators or representaives wherever you may come from. I'll admit I dont' have a perfect understanding of what's going on, but I feel confident that we (North America/Europe/Asia) can do something
 
Profit is the revenue after business expenses, so the other 50% is the money that they take home. I could see a business like this running very efficiently through tax deductions from AGI. The other 50% that they donate is a deduction in their schedule A of 1040, assuming this is a pas-through entity, so they would be making profits and also getting nice tax deductions too.
 
Bwahah anyone else thinking of the Onions world news map and the section on sudan? I cant take this seriously after seeing that.
 
I think it's awesome that you are dedicated to doing something and learning about current events. You have my respect for that. Not enough people give a fuck about anyone but themselves.

The problem is that it is the typical American attitude to think we can just fix everything. Darfur is a situation where we probably can't fix it. It is all up to the groups themselves to come to conclusions. Look what we did in Somalia. That is a prime example of why we should really take a look at African affairs before just throwing troops in the way of bullets. We usually just mess things up worse. Hopefully in time we can find a way to somehow peacefully solve this situation and get all groups to comply.
 
That's a very poor way to look at situations in the world. I'm glad it's most of America and not all of America that thinks like you.
 
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