SPORTS: Rooting For The Country You're From vs. The Country You Live In
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messplay
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If the two differ, what is your stance? We get to watch the World Cup here at work (if we clock out of course) and my workplace is quite diverse. One individual is pretty adimant on his [LESS THAN] 30% German heritage. I get it to an extent, yet his desktop background is changed, huge GER flag hanging over the wall in front of him, and a GER jersey to work. I get it if a Mexican does it, or maybe someone from JAP, KOR, etc. If you can speak the language, I give you free reign to support your 'heritage'.
.undetected
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Which ever team has the better color jersey
HamFaceGirl
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The country I'm from is the country I live in
USAUSAUSAUSA
USAUSAUSAUSA
.MASSHOLE.
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I am American, but I support the German team. Why? A few reasons, but mainly due to my name and family ancestry. I have an extremely German name, both first and last, (Vitzthum von Eckstaëdt) and my family can trace our ancestry back to the 11th century http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitzthum_(Adelsgeschlecht)
Additionally, my grandparents from my moms side and my grandfather from my dads side are both off the boat Germans.
Additionally, my grandparents from my moms side and my grandfather from my dads side are both off the boat Germans.
bakedpow
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i have always rooted for france because of heritage/family still living in france/me being very french. but i live in america. america has never been all that accepting of soccer so iv always enjoyed rooting for a country where there are actually real fans.
america has also never really been that great in footbal, iv always rooted for the USA in the world cup but temper my expectations as i know soccer pretty well and am not going to be blindly patriotic and expect the US to go win the world cup with no real world class talent outside of howard and dempsey.
america has also never really been that great in footbal, iv always rooted for the USA in the world cup but temper my expectations as i know soccer pretty well and am not going to be blindly patriotic and expect the US to go win the world cup with no real world class talent outside of howard and dempsey.
Ryanvdonk
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hahaha, Belgian player yelling like he'd be shot, that should be a card. the flopping is going to happen, that's part of the gamesmanship of the sport, but the embellishment is ridiculous and needs to stop. not sure how small bumps on the field result in reactions like they came up short on chad's gap.
messplay
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13043020:pussyfooter said:
Sigh, I've coded my entire site. This is one of, if not the only, site where I can't do this but that's okay, I know the site team is still figuring out ways to perfect the site everyday seeing as the layout and home screen changes almost bi-weekly.
Took you 3 posts to still not make a combined rational post.
Also your heritage isn't where you're from, it's where your parents or great grandparents were from.
And people can root for whoever they want. I don't care.
Also your heritage isn't where you're from, it's where your parents or great grandparents were from.
And people can root for whoever they want. I don't care.
Byron_tha_gr8
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13042987:.MASSHOLE. said:
I'm black so I'm cheering for the slave owners. Why?
Because state's rights. That's why. I can trace that shit from where Robert E. Lee. invented it before Obama took it away.
I also have an extremely slave name (Cotton von Picker) and I can trace my heritage back to the crackhouse on 32nd I was born (and probably conceived) in.{uri]http://wikipedia.fuk.u.org/deristscheistkopf/wiki/whitepower[jpeg.url.mov.420]
.MASSHOLE.
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13043216:Lord_Byron said:
You try too hard.
13043239:.MASSHOLE. said:
And got so far, but in the end it doesn't even matter.
GayWolf420
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i love all the people that split up their ancestry by percentages and then base their alliances off of that.
13043343:Spagett said:
not if you boof it
intifada
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13042987:.MASSHOLE. said:
you're the worst. fuck all of the people that don't support the country they were born/raised in. my grandparents were born in Mexico, my last name is Gutierrez, i can also trace my ancestry back to some bumfuck village in the jungle. although i hope Mexico gets fucking demolished by the netherlands. if there was ever a time for blind unruly patriotism the world cup is it, and you're American...
Byron_tha_gr8
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13043679:yoski said:
COUNT IT
Mr.LemonPie
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I thought you meant like rooting for the country you're living in currently...Like I was in Argentina for the last world cup and I'm in England for this one...I'm not too bothered by soccer but I did cheer for Argentina and wish they would have beaten Germany when I was there. But I would never cheer for England here. Seeing how gutted people were after the loss to Uruguay was hilarious.
And rooting for a team based on your heritage? I just think that's silly. Root for the country you were born in, the one on your passport.
And rooting for a team based on your heritage? I just think that's silly. Root for the country you were born in, the one on your passport.
.MASSHOLE.
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13043761:intifada said:
So I should support a country where people automatically assume that since I am German and that my parents/grandparents support the Nazi party? I guess I can do that. It's not like my great-grandfather was killed in Mauthausen or great-uncle was killed while working in a field hospital saving both American and German soldiers.
I have no resentment towards America, nor do I want to see them lose. But if I had to chose a team to support it would be Germany because of my familial history AND they play a much more attractive brand of soccer.
Mr.LemonPie
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13043826:.MASSHOLE. said:
You cannot actually be serious...
.MASSHOLE.
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13043829:Mr.LemonPie said:
With that statement? No, but I imagine there are people who feel little to no sentimental attachment to their current homeland. My point is that just because you LIVE somewhere does not mean you have to feel an attachment to that area.
.MASSHOLE.
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13043829:Mr.LemonPie said:
Many ignorant people do believe that all Germans were Nazi supporters however. Its kind of depressing how little people know about the whole situation.
.MASSHOLE.
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13043861:El_Barto. said:
Depends on the reason for the war.
first_rodeo
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You root for the country / state team your FROM.
like i grew up in Boston... so im a sox celt pats fan
like i grew up in Boston... so im a sox celt pats fan
maximiliaan
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13043863:.MASSHOLE. said:
cause they both dont want you on their side
OOOOOHHHHH!!!!!!!!!
Byron_tha_gr8
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13043761:intifada said:
13043803:Mr.LemonPie said:
The idea that you actually hold a cultural link to your ancestors from hundreds of years ago was relevant 200 years ago. You are an American. You might have German ancestors, and some of those ancestor's customs may still be a part of your life, but you are not a German. Germany doesn't want you as a German. Regardless of any countries past, after hundreds of years of assimilation, any real aspect of German culture isn't going to be left.
I've probably experienced MORE of the German culture than you even have, unless you've been there too, but even if you did go there you wouldn't be seen as a local. You're a tourist, a foreigner, an American. And for me that's kind of the benchmark test for whether or not you are a real part of the culture or just another American wannabe who feels the need to be even more special because of their heritage.
If you can go to a country, or culture, and immediately understand and be an accepted as a part of most of that culture, even if you were born in America, you would have a real stake in that country. If not, why are you trying to pretend you do?
.MASSHOLE.
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13043974:Lord_Byron said:
So when does the cultural link die? Does it no longer count even though 3/4 of my grandparents were from Germany? Does it not matter that both my grandparents, parents, and aunts speak German fluently? Does our coat of arms not hold any bearing? Do the familial artifacts/trinkets not mean anything? What about extended family who still lives there?
You may think you have experienced more, but I have lived with aspects of German culture my entire life. That is indisputable. Everything we do, be it the manner in which we eat, the food we eat, the way we dress, how we address our parents and grandparents, etc. is comes from German cultural norms.
The only reason I am not a German citizen is because my mother had to chose between Canadian and German citizenship for herself. She was living in Canada at the time, and the Germans would not allow dual citizenship, leaving her with Canadian citizenship as the only option. Subsequently, as German nationalization laws went at my time of birth, since she was not a "German citizen" we (my brother and sister) were unable to become one as well. Regardless, the Germans would not have allowed us to wield three citizenships (Canadian, German, and American).
Byron_tha_gr8
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13043989:.MASSHOLE. said:
There isn't a specific point that it dies it, but I would say that's when you can use my "tourist test". If a German saw you and identified you based on your words and actions as an Canadian, the link to being a part of German culture is over.
13043989:.MASSHOLE. said:
3/4 of your grandparents are from Germany, 100% of you is from Canada. Do you speak fluent German? If you pass the tourist test then I'd say yes.
13043989:.MASSHOLE. said:
Honestly, in today's society, no. You're coat of arms has no real meaning. It can, and probably should matter, to your family as a valuable item, but no one else cares. Coat of arms used to actually hold cultural significance; things like seals were actual security measures. Our culture is long past them being relevant outside of your own family. And your extended family is probably German seeing as they live in Germany. You don't, and you never did.
13043989:.MASSHOLE. said:
Yes you lived with ASPECTS of German culture, which is great! But aspects of German culture don't let you be a part of German culture. It lets you be a part of Canadian/American culture (which is a thing! Think Austrian/German culture) which is a blend of millions of other aspects of thousands of other cultures. You can be proud of those aspects and "present" them to the greater soup of society. Maybe literally show other people cool German shit you know, or maybe just continue to participate in the customs you do.
The only reason I am not a German citizen is because my mother had to chose between Canadian and German citizenship for herself. She was living in Canada at the time, and the Germans would not allow dual citizenship, leaving her with Canadian citizenship as the only option. Subsequently, as German nationalization laws went at my time of birth, since she was not a "German citizen" we (my brother and sister) were unable to become one as well. Regardless, the Germans would not have allowed us to wield three citizenships (Canadian, German, and American).[/QUOTE]
So you're a Canadian. Even a German-Canadian! Not a German. Get over it.
fujarome
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if you hold a passport to the country, you can go for them.
I live in the US but support France. Reason being...French half of my family got me into the sport when I was very little, and so everything I learned about it came from the French viewpoint. And when I was over there, the team was everywhere so it became easy to follow. In the US at the time, most people didn't even know we had a team.
I live in the US but support France. Reason being...French half of my family got me into the sport when I was very little, and so everything I learned about it came from the French viewpoint. And when I was over there, the team was everywhere so it became easy to follow. In the US at the time, most people didn't even know we had a team.
.MASSHOLE.
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Ironically I was born in the US, New York City to be exact. I just have the ability to hold Canadian and American passports.
Your "citizen" test is a a horrible test to be honest. You could meet any English-speaking person and would have trouble deciphering where they are from. Think of modern America. The US is a blending of cultures, and it is impossible to decipher who is from where, what their native language is, what their nationality is, etc. To say a language and the ability to "fit in" makes you a part of that culture is a horrible test criteria. I know multiple American Citizens, who by your definition, would not be considered "American".
By you rational, if you live somewhere long enough you can be assimilated into that culture. What about these cases? My grandparents were born in Germany, they gave up citizenship when they went to Canada and now hold a Canadian passport. They lived in Canada longer than they did in Germany. Does that not allow them to identify with Germany anymore? My mother is now an American and Canadian citizenship but has lived longer in the US than Canada. Is she no longer allowed to identify with Canada?
Regardless, your comments and rational won't stop me from identifying as German and supporting the German team over the United States, which was the original point of this thread.
Re: Dustin's Comment:
Nope. I recall my first WC viewing experience being the 2002 WC when Germany played the US and beat them 1-0 and my initial reaction was happiness. My parents and grandparents were both cheering for that team, so why should I as a 10 year old do anything different? Its the same reason I started supporting Real Madrid, my family introduced me to the team and I followed them as a result. Did I know at the time RM was Champions of Europe? No way. I couldn't even name a squad member but what I did know is that my family supported them so I decided to as well.
Your "citizen" test is a a horrible test to be honest. You could meet any English-speaking person and would have trouble deciphering where they are from. Think of modern America. The US is a blending of cultures, and it is impossible to decipher who is from where, what their native language is, what their nationality is, etc. To say a language and the ability to "fit in" makes you a part of that culture is a horrible test criteria. I know multiple American Citizens, who by your definition, would not be considered "American".
By you rational, if you live somewhere long enough you can be assimilated into that culture. What about these cases? My grandparents were born in Germany, they gave up citizenship when they went to Canada and now hold a Canadian passport. They lived in Canada longer than they did in Germany. Does that not allow them to identify with Germany anymore? My mother is now an American and Canadian citizenship but has lived longer in the US than Canada. Is she no longer allowed to identify with Canada?
Regardless, your comments and rational won't stop me from identifying as German and supporting the German team over the United States, which was the original point of this thread.
Re: Dustin's Comment:
Nope. I recall my first WC viewing experience being the 2002 WC when Germany played the US and beat them 1-0 and my initial reaction was happiness. My parents and grandparents were both cheering for that team, so why should I as a 10 year old do anything different? Its the same reason I started supporting Real Madrid, my family introduced me to the team and I followed them as a result. Did I know at the time RM was Champions of Europe? No way. I couldn't even name a squad member but what I did know is that my family supported them so I decided to as well.
El_Barto.
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^ the US is different than almost everh other country, we are called a melting pot for a reason. Compairing german culture to american culture is retarded.
Bro, if you love germany so much and love being german so much then get the fuck out. Go live in germany. We dont want your traitor ass here anyway.
And youre as american as I am. My mothers maiden name is Sutherland...i have as much scottish heritage as you do german. I am an american and scotland can go fuck itself.
tldr...youre a dumb 22 yr old who thinks they are super smart and cultured when in reality youre just a dumbass. Even your writing is pretentious
Bro, if you love germany so much and love being german so much then get the fuck out. Go live in germany. We dont want your traitor ass here anyway.
And youre as american as I am. My mothers maiden name is Sutherland...i have as much scottish heritage as you do german. I am an american and scotland can go fuck itself.
tldr...youre a dumb 22 yr old who thinks they are super smart and cultured when in reality youre just a dumbass. Even your writing is pretentious
.MASSHOLE.
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13044356:El_Barto. said:
He laid the ground rules, I just pointed out the flaws.
Why are you so butthurt over me supporting Germany in soccer? It is a game. Am I not allowed to support a team I enjoy watching? I said in the WC thread I enjoy the German teams style of play, much more than that of America, and as such, I will be supporting them. My German heritage was just used as a rational beyond that their style of play to support the team. Relax.
I do not think I am super cultured, I would be the first person to acknowledge I know every little of foreign culture beyond what I have experienced first hand. I am sorry my writing is "pretentious", I guess proper writing is now considered a bad thing. wud u rather i talk like dis?
Honestly El Barto, I don't understand your problem with people on this forum. You seem to contribute very little beyond being an asshole. Oh well, I guess someone has to do it.