CoonKiller
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no its your life do what you want with it.yea he had a daughter,buthe cant just give up what he loves for her.that would be the daughter being selfish.
Some people are out of their fucking mind
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beer.
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sorry thats not selfish at all. if you cant see that, you have no place being a parent ever.
you give up anything for your children, even your own life if you have to. I cant believe you would accuse a 10 year old girl of being selfish for wanting her father to be alive. wow. you should go get a vasectomy now.
you give up anything for your children, even your own life if you have to. I cant believe you would accuse a 10 year old girl of being selfish for wanting her father to be alive. wow. you should go get a vasectomy now.
thats not what i said at all...
i was saying that u have no right to call him selfish for doing what he loved regardless of whether he had a family or not...
saying he is cool is fine, saying RIP is fine.... but putting him down cause he stepped outside of the societal norm when it comes to family..... thats none of your fucking business...
im sure he loved his daughter and wife very very much... and doing what he did doesnt mean that he loved himself anymore than them... it was what he did... that was his life... and im sure when his wife married him she was fully aware of that...
i was saying that u have no right to call him selfish for doing what he loved regardless of whether he had a family or not...
saying he is cool is fine, saying RIP is fine.... but putting him down cause he stepped outside of the societal norm when it comes to family..... thats none of your fucking business...
im sure he loved his daughter and wife very very much... and doing what he did doesnt mean that he loved himself anymore than them... it was what he did... that was his life... and im sure when his wife married him she was fully aware of that...
pmills
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"people concern themselves with how other people should live their lives"
it goes both ways, it's not just saying people can't just critisize another person, it also means you can't commend them
if you want to defend him:
how has he been a good 'father'?
how has he been a good 'husband' ?
What has he taught his daughter?
What has he shared with his wife?
Even if you said he did great things for his family while he was alive-- what can he give now? Being a husband and being a father for some time now in this society has been considered by most as sort of a long term commitment.
In terms of this society he is not one who is admirable.
it goes both ways, it's not just saying people can't just critisize another person, it also means you can't commend them
if you want to defend him:
how has he been a good 'father'?
how has he been a good 'husband' ?
What has he taught his daughter?
What has he shared with his wife?
Even if you said he did great things for his family while he was alive-- what can he give now? Being a husband and being a father for some time now in this society has been considered by most as sort of a long term commitment.
In terms of this society he is not one who is admirable.
TerminatorX
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the second video pissed me off because the stuntman was speaking english, but there was a french interpretor speaking over his voice.
whattheshit
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yea i actually do. because i hate most of the kids on newschoolers because its full of a bunch of bleeding hearts and sopping vaginas.
maybe thats what you think. i'd admire my dead father, it would suck him being dead, but that was what he loved to do and i would respect that. it would probably make me want to get into rock climbing. sort of like the crocodile hunters daughter who wants to follow in his fathers footsteps ya know? by your beliefs steve irwin took "unnecessary risks" but thats who he was and what he liked to do and it looks like his daughter has the mental capacity to appreciate that unlike others on here, she didn't go crying about how her father handled alligators or one bite you're dead snakes. such is life.
oh and the feeling is mutual. but thanks though. and i only hate on bleeding hearts, liberals, and vaginas who concern themselves with how other people live. it appears to me that you're the kind of person who preaches tolerance, but yet you can't be tolerant of his life decisions. there is really nothing wrong with me, i just have a different perspective on life then other people. and you really have no right to ask me whats wrong with me because there really is no clearly defined 'right'. by that logic i could reverse the same question on to you. and i don't see how my age is pertinent to our discourse.
maybe thats what you think. i'd admire my dead father, it would suck him being dead, but that was what he loved to do and i would respect that. it would probably make me want to get into rock climbing. sort of like the crocodile hunters daughter who wants to follow in his fathers footsteps ya know? by your beliefs steve irwin took "unnecessary risks" but thats who he was and what he liked to do and it looks like his daughter has the mental capacity to appreciate that unlike others on here, she didn't go crying about how her father handled alligators or one bite you're dead snakes. such is life.
oh and the feeling is mutual. but thanks though. and i only hate on bleeding hearts, liberals, and vaginas who concern themselves with how other people live. it appears to me that you're the kind of person who preaches tolerance, but yet you can't be tolerant of his life decisions. there is really nothing wrong with me, i just have a different perspective on life then other people. and you really have no right to ask me whats wrong with me because there really is no clearly defined 'right'. by that logic i could reverse the same question on to you. and i don't see how my age is pertinent to our discourse.
pmills
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You’re just a big pile of hate nobody wants to hear it. There is a difference between providing reasons for a claim and just talking bullshit. When you talk bullshit you're apt to contradict yourself and say really stupid things like compare Steve Irwin to a guy who climbed.
Irwin if you've forgotten took his risks not because he wanted the thrill of riding on the back of an alligator, but because he wanted to protect nature. There’s a difference between recreation and a job. Climbing is a recreation, being a wildlife conservationist is a job. On top of that i wouldn't even say Irwin's risk of danger is anywhere as close to climbing 1,000 ft cliff faces with no ropes.
But you don't really even give a fuck about this at all so why bother. Let's just make a comment on how your opinions lead you to bullshit. Don't criticize people for how they live... I only like hearing people say positive things about others like "that dude was radical" "you're really cool" "much respect" Enough already, these sorts of comments indicate a support for the lifestyle that person is living. And in order to make a comment of commending you've got to concern your self with how someone aught to live their life. Get on your crusade to tell everyone to shut up about everyone else because apparently you're not allowed to care how someone lives their life.
See your problem is that you only care to bitch about the people who have a difference of opinion from you; despite the fact they formulate legitimist arguments and raise valid points. Then lash back saying "you're not tolerant of others" I’m tolerant of some, but there are some things i don't have tolerance for-- like being crazy reckless, or being inconsistent and stupid.
i came into this thread simply saying be smart, you've got other resposiblities outside of your sport, don't get too distracted by your love of the sport and your need for danger where you will end up unable to enjoy both your sport and life outside it. So i'm sorry to everyone else for making such a huge digression.
Irwin if you've forgotten took his risks not because he wanted the thrill of riding on the back of an alligator, but because he wanted to protect nature. There’s a difference between recreation and a job. Climbing is a recreation, being a wildlife conservationist is a job. On top of that i wouldn't even say Irwin's risk of danger is anywhere as close to climbing 1,000 ft cliff faces with no ropes.
But you don't really even give a fuck about this at all so why bother. Let's just make a comment on how your opinions lead you to bullshit. Don't criticize people for how they live... I only like hearing people say positive things about others like "that dude was radical" "you're really cool" "much respect" Enough already, these sorts of comments indicate a support for the lifestyle that person is living. And in order to make a comment of commending you've got to concern your self with how someone aught to live their life. Get on your crusade to tell everyone to shut up about everyone else because apparently you're not allowed to care how someone lives their life.
See your problem is that you only care to bitch about the people who have a difference of opinion from you; despite the fact they formulate legitimist arguments and raise valid points. Then lash back saying "you're not tolerant of others" I’m tolerant of some, but there are some things i don't have tolerance for-- like being crazy reckless, or being inconsistent and stupid.
i came into this thread simply saying be smart, you've got other resposiblities outside of your sport, don't get too distracted by your love of the sport and your need for danger where you will end up unable to enjoy both your sport and life outside it. So i'm sorry to everyone else for making such a huge digression.
DaLiNeRiDEr21
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rip bro
whattheshit
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well aren't you an anthropological motherfucker. you can call my points bullshit if you want, but they all come down to the same equation, death. you can't say that what osman did didn't serve any purpose unlike the croc hunter. perhaps osman inspired people to overcome fears. the croc hunter inspired people to become more conscious of their environment. what they both did could have resulted in death and in the end it both did. there are a lot of other ways of bringing awareness to the environment, but irwin added some aspects of entertainment of it. not some zoom in camera from a safari van with a monotonous voice over. and in the end his daughter still wants to follow in her dads footsteps.
and you say i talk bullshit because people raise legitimate points? who are you trying to convince, obviously yourself. my points are just as valid as yours. it all depends on perspective.
i want people to mind their own business when it comes to how others live their lives. you on the other hand think you can dictate what other people should do with their own life.
the fact is you don't have any right to tell people what they can and can't do with their own life. if it makes you happy then the people around you should be able to support and respect that.
thats my position and you have yours. nothing you tell me is going to change how i feel about this.
and here you go dude, find out when their next event is so you can bring your sign and protest how they are all being selfish with their own lives. they would tell you to fuck off because you just don't understand.
http://www.freedivecanada.com/cgi-bin/welcome.pl
and you say i talk bullshit because people raise legitimate points? who are you trying to convince, obviously yourself. my points are just as valid as yours. it all depends on perspective.
i want people to mind their own business when it comes to how others live their lives. you on the other hand think you can dictate what other people should do with their own life.
the fact is you don't have any right to tell people what they can and can't do with their own life. if it makes you happy then the people around you should be able to support and respect that.
thats my position and you have yours. nothing you tell me is going to change how i feel about this.
and here you go dude, find out when their next event is so you can bring your sign and protest how they are all being selfish with their own lives. they would tell you to fuck off because you just don't understand.
http://www.freedivecanada.com/cgi-bin/welcome.pl
S-Titterington
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dude. stopped reading your posts. but stfu and let other people have their opinions. we know yours now, so just deal with everyone elses. fuck
fuck all of you ripping on the guy. all it comes down to is faith and trust in yourself. he free climbs because he believes that he has the ability to safely climb to the top. he obviously was not wrong in that belief. the guy is fucking amazing at what he does, he knows that, he knows what he can and can't accomplish. everything we do in life has some inherited risk, crossing the street there is the possibility that you get hit by a car but the risk is so small that people take it. he assessed the risk of free climbing and beleived that he could do it safely. its the same as tanner hall and his chads gap fall, what if instead of breaking his heels, he cartwheeled onto his neck and broke it. would that be a stupid risk? no, fuck that, he knew there was the possiblitiy of falling but he believed he could do it. but sometimes shit just goes wrong.
the point, is extreme sports sport are all about being comfortable with your abilities to the point that you know that you can accomplish the risk safely.
with that being said, if he used a 3 year old ropes that dealt with dirt and water he should have known to change them. but its the same as getting into a car and not putting on your seatbelt. sometimes shit happens and when it goes wrong you just gotta except the outcome. its just a shame he lost his life.
the point, is extreme sports sport are all about being comfortable with your abilities to the point that you know that you can accomplish the risk safely.
with that being said, if he used a 3 year old ropes that dealt with dirt and water he should have known to change them. but its the same as getting into a car and not putting on your seatbelt. sometimes shit happens and when it goes wrong you just gotta except the outcome. its just a shame he lost his life.
friedcheese
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On one hand I respect the guy for doing something he loved and being absolutely badass by climbing that type of shit with no ropes. There's no way I could ever do that.
But then I wouldn't want anybody close to me like my brother climbing up mountains like that without ropes. I'd tell them to strap in a rope because then you can have a second chance sometimes. I guess it's all in perspective though because everest has a high death percentage and when people say they want to climb everest people don't tell them they are reckless or stupid. They respect the fact that this person went out and tried to conquer their fears and do something they wanted. Maybe those solo climbs he did were his everests.
People can say that's crazy or stupid but hell it doesn't take much to get yourself killed. I can get killed walking to the grocery store for fucks sakes. I think in the end if we tell people that they shouldn't do risky things like climb mountains without ropes, Ski gnarly lines in the backcountry, or jump off shit then eventually we'll have laws prohibiting anything dangerous. We'd end up living like some sort of robots.
You can respect him or not, I respect his climbing. Even though I wouldn't want anyone close to me doing it. If I tried to stop them, they'd just do it anyway. You just can't control people sometimes.
But then I wouldn't want anybody close to me like my brother climbing up mountains like that without ropes. I'd tell them to strap in a rope because then you can have a second chance sometimes. I guess it's all in perspective though because everest has a high death percentage and when people say they want to climb everest people don't tell them they are reckless or stupid. They respect the fact that this person went out and tried to conquer their fears and do something they wanted. Maybe those solo climbs he did were his everests.
People can say that's crazy or stupid but hell it doesn't take much to get yourself killed. I can get killed walking to the grocery store for fucks sakes. I think in the end if we tell people that they shouldn't do risky things like climb mountains without ropes, Ski gnarly lines in the backcountry, or jump off shit then eventually we'll have laws prohibiting anything dangerous. We'd end up living like some sort of robots.
You can respect him or not, I respect his climbing. Even though I wouldn't want anyone close to me doing it. If I tried to stop them, they'd just do it anyway. You just can't control people sometimes.