some more pro american ignorance...

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Widespread but only partial news coverage was given recently to a remarkable editorial broadcast from Toronto by Gordon Sinclair, a Canadian television commentator. What follows is the full text of his trenchant remarks as printed in the Congressional Record:

'This Canadian thinks it is time to speak up for the Americans as the most generous and possibly the least appreciated people on all the earth.

Germany, Japan and, to a lesser extent, Britain and Italy were lifted out of the debris of war by the Americans who poured in billions of dollars and forgave other billions in debts. None of these countries is today paying even the interest on its remaining debts to the United States.

When France was in danger of collapsing in 1956, it was the Americans who propped it up, and their reward was to be insulted and swindled on the streets of Paris. I was there. I saw it.

When earthquakes hit distant cities, it is the United States that hurries in to help. This spring, 59 American communities were flattened by tornadoes. Nobody helped.

The Marshall Plan and the Truman Policy pumped billions of dollars into discouraged countries. Now newspapers in those countries are writing about the decadent, warmongering Americans.

I'd like to see just one of those countries that is gloating over the erosion of the United States dollar build its own airplane. Does any other country in the world have a plane to equal the Boeing Jumbo Jet, the Lockheed Tri-Star, or the Douglas DC10? If so, why don't they fly them? Why do all the International lines except Russia fly American Planes?

Why does no other land on earth even consider putting a man or woman on the moon? You talk about Japanese technocracy, and you get radios. You talk about German technocracy, and you get automobiles.

You talk about American technocracy, and you find men on the moon - not once, but several times - and safely home again.

You talk about scandals, and the Americans put theirs right in the store window for everybody to look at. Even their draft-dodgers are not pursued and hounded. They are here on our streets, and most of them, unless they are breaking Canadian laws, are getting American dollars from ma and pa at home to spend here.

When the railways of France, Germany and India were breaking down through age, it was the Americans who rebuilt them. When the Pennsylvania Railroad and the New York Central went broke, nobody loaned them an old caboose. Both are still broke.

I can name you 5000 times when the Americans raced to the help of other people in trouble. Can you name me even one time when someone else raced to the Americans in trouble? I don't think there was outside help even during the San Francisco earthquake.

Our neighbors have faced it alone, and I'm one Canadian who is damned tired of hearing them get kicked around. They will come out of this thing with their flag high. And when they do, they are entitled to thumb their nose at the lands that are gloating over their present troubles. I hope Canada is not one of those.'

Stand proud, America.

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what? no witty retorts? cant really play the ignorance card on your own people without sounding dumb... perhaps that accounts for the silence...

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Germany, Japan and, to a lesser extent, Britain and Italy were lifted out of the debris of war by the Americans who poured in billions of dollars and forgave other billions in debts. None of these countries is today paying even the interest on its remaining debts to the United States.

The united states has the biggest dept in the world right now and its getting worse. The united states slaughtered uncounted numbers of people when they went into germany. Bring back the lives lost.

When France was in danger of collapsing in 1956, it was the Americans who propped it up, and their reward was to be insulted and swindled on the streets of Paris. I was there. I saw it.

America was bombed into WW2, it had nothing to do with generosity.

When earthquakes hit distant cities, it is the United States that hurries in to help. This spring, 59 American communities were flattened by tornadoes. Nobody helped.

Because you don't need that help. How many communities have been flattened by bombs america dropped. How many communities have suffered because of uncalled for sanctions?

The Marshall Plan and the Truman Policy pumped billions of dollars into discouraged countries. Now newspapers in those countries are writing about the decadent, warmongering Americans.

just because money was put into other places on the planet doesn't mean they should take it up the ass from america now.

I'd like to see just one of those countries that is gloating over the erosion of the United States dollar build its own airplane. Does any other country in the world have a plane to equal the Boeing Jumbo Jet, the Lockheed Tri-Star, or the Douglas DC10? If so, why don't they fly them? Why do all the International lines except Russia fly American Planes?

All of those countries you speak of don't have the numbers or the climate to build such airplanes, and several countries have created better airplanes than america. Avro Arrow, anyone?

Why does no other land on earth even consider putting a man or woman on the moon? You talk about Japanese technocracy, and you get radios. You talk about German technocracy, and you get automobiles.

The americans aren't the only ones putting things in space. The space station is a joint effort by many countries. Seems to me the Russians won the space race...

You talk about American technocracy, and you find men on the moon - not once, but several times - and safely home again.

And they're also the leaders in low yield nuclear weapons research. They have killed innocents with nukes not once, but several times.

You talk about scandals, and the Americans put theirs right in the store window for everybody to look at. Even their draft-dodgers are not pursued and hounded. They are here on our streets, and most of them, unless they are breaking Canadian laws, are getting American dollars from ma and pa at home to spend here.

Scandals are just as open here, you just don't care about them like you do in america, where the TV you watch comes from.

When the railways of France, Germany and India were breaking down through age, it was the Americans who rebuilt them. When the Pennsylvania Railroad and the New York Central went broke, nobody loaned them an old caboose. Both are still broke.

And that's who's fault? Seems to me theres plenty of money going into tanks and guns to kill people with. oh, and tax cuts?

I can name you 5000 times when the Americans raced to the help of other people in trouble. Can you name me even one time when someone else raced to the Americans in trouble? I don't think there was outside help even during the San Francisco earthquake.

I can think of times when america sat back and watched people die, like in WW2 for the first 2 years where they were selling weapons to EVERYONE, not just us. it's just business. I can think of Afghanistan when the former U.S.S.R. was going in. I can think of Chile, of Cuba, of Iraq. All american fuck ups. I can think of Vietnam. 'help'

Our neighbors have faced it alone, and I'm one Canadian who is damned tired of hearing them get kicked around. They will come out of this thing with their flag high. And when they do, they are entitled to thumb their nose at the lands that are gloating over their present troubles. I hope Canada is not one of those.'

When villages and Baghdad lie in ruins, bodies strewn around, America will flick their nose at us...I hope someone puts them on their ass.

Wake up and look around, America. (this is the government i'm bitching about, not the people. I have alot of american friends.)

There ya go, smartass.

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'The americans aren't the only ones putting things in space. The space station is a joint effort by many countries. Seems to me the Russians won the space race... '

shut your mouth now and never speak again.

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Although i don't agree with everything this country does, it's nice to see someone from another country speaking highly of us. I know we police the world too much most of the time and we get involved with a lot that we shouldn't but we also do a lot of good for the world. Its about time someone looked past the negative publicitywe constantly receive and examine the positive implications of being the only remaining superpower on the planet.

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i wasnt aware that he was talking about the space race there cheif.. Tey were talking about PEOPLE ON THE MOON. not space...MOON....

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i like your answer to the paragraph, 'america doesnt need help' does that mean that it shouldnt be offered...

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Crimson is a mentally retarded Canadian, please ignore his incorrect remarks or utter stupidity. I myself am Canadian, and Pro-American. Canada needs the USA for everything, I feel that Canada is helpless and we simply need the USA to protect us, it would be nice if we had armed forces for ourselves, but currently... the jeep is in the shop and we have nil. I am embarrassed that us Canadians are so dependant on the US, and we are also the US’s bitch, which is sad. The truth of the matter is, we could get a lot more outa the US and more respect too if we just threatened to closed our trade agreement. The softwood lumber dispute was an embarrassing time to be Canadian, all we had to do is say “our way or no-way… as long as it was realistic of course. This is because the USA actually gets a whopping 70% of its oil from Canada. Yeah, that’s right, 70%, from Alberta’s oil sands. Imagine what would happen to oil prices if we stopped trading. The examples of the Marshall Plan and whatnot were not examples of USA generosity however, they were so that the way of life improved in the country that we sent the money to enough so that communism had nothing to offer. Same with the man on the moon deal... that was part of the cold war, not exploration. And Crimson, I can’t believe you actually said anything about the USA killing to many Germans, you make me wanna bang my head until I go unconscious. What about that whole Holocaust thing, where Hitler attempted Genocide! What most people do not realize is that we need the policing of the world that the US takes part in, without it, there would be a hell of a lot more 911s. In this age of Nuclear weapons we need somebody to take control, or else the world would be destroyed, how could you idiots not see that. How could you possibly think that Russia won the Space race, they started off stronger and were in fact winning… but by 1969 when the USA landed someone on the moon, and safely got them back… Russia was trying to get a machine there! Like the Mars Lander… not even close to as hard as getting a human there. This is because of the life support complications. I gota give you props for mentioning that Avro Aero thing tho, but our fucked up government cancelled the god damned thing. That thing about the US being the leaders in Nukes… that couldn’t be more wrong. They haven’t developed nukes in a really long time, and now with North Korea and shit trying to, they have realized that their nukes are out of date with modern technology. That thing about USA sitting back and watching people die… wtf is wrong with you, they saved the world like 90 billion times, and now that they are being pro-active with a threat like Iraq, you want them to sit back and mind their own business, you’re a fucking retard hypocrite. If the US government were as weak as Canada’s there would be no Earth… it would have been destroyed by a nuclear war long ago. Go move to France you fucking retard. Oh and if any of you think this Iraq conflict is about Oil… the only part of it that has to do with oil is that Iraq is developing weapons with oil money, remember Canada supplies the US with 70% of its oil, and that number is from the US consulate in Vancouver. France is only anti-war because they have a trade agreement… THEY WANT THE OIL!!! They trade weapons with Iraq for Oil. I realize that was incredibly long, perhaps the longest post ever on NS, but I feel strongly about this so fuck all of you… Also few of you read the entire thing but if you did and feel like losing an augment… message me. That was 677 words in case you were wondering.

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ok i didn't read your rant, but the first sentence about canada needing the US for everything is complete bollocks. first of all, have some pride in your country - don't be so ignorant to canada's importance to the US. We supply the U.S. with 94 per cent of their natural gas imports, close to 100 per cent of their electricity imports and 35 per cent of uranium for nuclear power generation. those big US companies wouldn't be able to produce a thing if it weren't for canada supplying them w/ electricity and energy. not to mention the fact that the US imports more canadian goods than Canada imports american goods. it seems as though the US depends on Canada a lot more than you think.

 
Why do you consider my benovolence your duty And, why do you fail to understand that the motavation for any production ALWAYS creates a conflict of interest?

 
' close to 100 per cent of their electricity imports'

Uh, that figure is very misleading, because who else borders the US that can export electricity. And it's still most likely to towns and cities near the Canadian border, and most likely only supplements their power grid.

-Andy

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yeah that stuff about electricity isn't right. however canada does supply a ton of energy to eastern states from Niagra falls. learnt that in Canadian Bacon.

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What's that?

SAMOAN JO

A cocktail, you asked for a cocktail.

BACON

No, I asked you to give me a refreshing drink. I wasn't expecting a

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'The united states has the biggest dept in the world right now and its getting worse. The united states slaughtered uncounted numbers of people when they went into germany. Bring back the lives lost.'

You man bring back nazis?

'America was bombed into WW2, it had nothing to do with generosity'.

Whats us being in WW2 have to do with rebuilding france in 1956?

'Because you don't need that help. How many communities have been flattened by bombs america dropped. How many communities have suffered because of uncalled for sanctions?'

Why do you say that. You said earlier that we have horrible debt.

'just because money was put into other places on the planet doesn't mean they should take it up the ass from america now.'

No, but they should maybe respect us, or at least give us credit for helping them.

'The americans aren't the only ones putting things in space. The space station is a joint effort by many countries. Seems to me the Russians won the space race... '

THE MOON IDIOT

'And they're also the leaders in low yield nuclear weapons research. They have killed innocents with nukes not once, but several times.'

Innocents that were attempting to kill us.

'I can think of times when america sat back and watched people die, like in WW2 for the first 2 years where they were selling weapons to EVERYONE, not just us. it's just business. I can think of Afghanistan when the former U.S.S.R. was going in. I can think of Chile, of Cuba, of Iraq. All american fuck ups. I can think of Vietnam. 'help''

I thought that we shouldn't go kill people. Hypocritical bastard.

'Wake up and look around, America. (this is the government i'm bitching about, not the people. I have alot of american friends.)'

When you talk pure ignorance about America, you offend Americans.

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ANEWMORNING, i can agree with a lot of what that guy is saying, but there there is also some BULLSHIT in there. Especially this sentence:

'You talk about scandals, and the Americans put theirs right in the store window for everybody to look at.'

First of all, the reason that these scandals are brought to light is because sensationalism sells media, and a scandal is about as sensationalistic as it comes. I am SURE that the people involved in these scandals did their best to cover it up, but you can't hide from invasive media. I compete in Track and Field at a level high enough to understand the politics surrounding Performance enhancing drugs. There is one glarring fact that is well known throughout the commmunity, and that is that AMERICANS ARE NOTORIOUS FOR COVERING UP DRUG SCANDALS. Contrast that to canada, who hang their athletes out to dry, and basically cast them as the disgrace of a country. Ben Johnson for example. As for an american example, i don't think that there is enough room in this forum for me to list them all, but Dennis Mitchell is a roid monkey. He tested positive a number of years back, and the american media harped on him a bit, but then on his comeback after the mandatory suspension, he was treated like a hero, a serious contender. Then, a couple years ago, i see this little news blip on the ticker of a sports channel, saying that he tested positive again. Testing positive twice comes with a lifetime ban from the sport, but that little blurb was all I heard about. Compare that with Canada, Ben Johnson tested positive twice, and I hate him for it, but a canadian sprinter can't step onto the track without having run through Ben's shadow. Mind you, every sprinter an elite level is a roid monkey regardless.

 
Haha, I love the American self indulged attitude sometimes, very funny. Hoover Dam! Biggest Dam in the world! (Except for one the russians built). No one else in the world uses non-American aircraft! (Except for the Russians). Always have to be the biggest, loudest, fastest don't they.

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he said the russians didn't use our planes. No one even mentioned any damn dam (hehe). What are u getting at?

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alright I thought I would throw a few cents in here. The world is quick to judge america because they see what they want (power/influence/culture). Instead of being supportive and holding us in respect they trash talk us to make themselves feel/look better. (/generalization) Wow highschool flash back...

I have a question about the airplane deal though, where is Airbus based out of, i could have sworn it was france or germany. But thats the only thing I see wrong with his statement.

 
'The united states has the biggest dept in the world right now and its getting worse. The united states slaughtered uncounted numbers of people when they went into germany. Bring back the lives lost.'

You man bring back nazis?

(No, the all the innocent people that died, retard.)

'Because you don't need that help. How many communities have been flattened by bombs america dropped. How many communities have suffered because of uncalled for sanctions?'

Why do you say that. You said earlier that we have horrible debt.

Because the money was spent on things like weaponry and tax cuts instead...

'just because money was put into other places on the planet doesn't mean they should take it up the ass from america now.'

No, but they should maybe respect us, or at least give us credit for helping them.

This is true. Doesn't mean they owe you anything.

'The americans aren't the only ones putting things in space. The space station is a joint effort by many countries. Seems to me the Russians won the space race... '

THE MOON IDIOT

Except my point wasn't that they didnt put someone on the moon first, it was that they're not the only ones with the technology capable of doing that...calm down..

'And they're also the leaders in low yield nuclear weapons research. They have killed innocents with nukes not once, but several times.'

Innocents that were attempting to kill us.

I didn't know those seniors and children in nagasaki were armed.

'I can think of times when america sat back and watched people die, like in WW2 for the first 2 years where they were selling weapons to EVERYONE, not just us. it's just business. I can think of Afghanistan when the former U.S.S.R. was going in. I can think of Chile, of Cuba, of Iraq. All american fuck ups. I can think of Vietnam. 'help''

I thought that we shouldn't go kill people. Hypocritical bastard.

Dude, all of those examples were examples of where people died because of the american government's decisions.

'Wake up and look around, America. (this is the government i'm bitching about, not the people. I have alot of american friends.)'

When you talk pure ignorance about America, you offend Americans.

I never said I like my government either, and if you want to take me bitching about the government there personally, that's not my problem.

I don't think america is all bad, In fact if I had to choose a place and people to be the superpower, there are maybe one or two countries I think could do a better job. At least it's not China or Russia. But I'm saying no government is truly 'good' and shouldn't be criticized just because they've occasionally helped people. Im just so sick of seeing people talking about how going and starting a war with Iraq is somehow bringing peace, because it sure as hell isn't. There are still other options, and I'm sick of hearing people saying killing is the only way. I know I overdo the anti-american thing sometimes, it's obvious, but they're just the ones in the spotlight. I could go on for just as long about Canada or Britain.

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Im glad to see someone like whistler,an sees pass the anti-american cliches...everyone seems just to make mass generalizations...America needs all the help it can get right now, im not going to deny it and say 'USA number 1' or some shit, Unfortunately we're helpful - but this makes us meddlers, Were strong - that makes us arrogant, We've had idiots hold our office for the past 10 years and money seems to be the controlling factor in Government...We've managed to offend every muslim because of our freedoms and such a fascination with idiotic shows like Are you hot? etc. So theres the middle east...Our intervention in civil wars, mostly in Africa, thanks to Clintons idiocracy when it came to choosing his fights...There goes the repect Africans had for us...Europe forgot about when we helped them, and now they are getting mad when they have to come off their asses and return the favor...Althought this is not hard to see when your contry was in ruins because of war only 60 years ago...theres Europe...The asians despise Western culture (for the most part)..theres asia...russia is too poor to help..and least we forget about the great trust we have with them i.e. cold war?....so there Africa, Asia, Middle East - hate us - Europe wont help us and have no respect for us...we're pretty much all alone..so yeah this doesnt make much since but that can be explained for sleeping for 4 hours and then skiing for 10 and then trying to type this...maybe ill try and straighten this out,,,

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Prinz Boeing is still number 1, Airbus is coming up quick because of American labor wages and quality comes at a price...Everyone likes cheap stuff...isnt Airbus british? i have no idea where they are from either

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mm, they're really good. so tender and fresh and...yeah the cookies are good too, lol -petek on the topic of Girlscout cookies

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damn where have i been? all these good posts, boy i sure dropped the ball. Ok well i can only agree with the first post. everyone esle can suck my big fat dick. b

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About the moon thing. Actually, yeah, we were the only ones with the techology at that time to put people on the moon. Russias Space Program was floundering even though the US Media hyped it up. There really was no 'Space Race' after Russia launched the first cosmonaut into space. Russia had exhausted all of their resources to do that, and all the hype about the race to the moon is complete bullshit made up by the US Media. Russia wasn't even CLOSE to going to the moon, and if you knew what you were talking about, you'd have known that. If you've read interviews with Russian Cosmonauts and officials, you'd know that. Basically, where we were neck and neck for the first satellite and the first human in space, Russia stayed at that level while we advanced. See, the problem with most of these Anti-American posts is that all the 'facts' that you presented are contrived from actual facts and twisted with fiction.

About WW2. The nuclear device being used in Hiroshima and Nagasaki was a TOUGH decision for Truman to make, but he did so, and his actions probably saved millions of lives in the long run. We all know that Japan was prepared to fight till the death, and that would mean that we would have wound up invading Japan, causing untold amounts of lives in the process. You have to look back and see what the people during the period saw. They saw a threat over there that had to be extinguished. The US was not yet a superpower, and was fighting for its very existance. We are lucky we can talk about ending the war with the destruction of 2 cities rather than the ravaging of an entire country.

About the entrance to World War 2. You people have to realize that at this point, the politicians and people running the country were the people that fought and endured through the first World War. At that point, it was thought that it might be another trench war, and it wasnt until the British and French forces were pushed out of France that it was realized that the Nazi's would be that big of a threat. The fact is, the US saw it as a European problem, (exactly like what you liberals are saying about the US sticking its nose in other things.) That the US should mind its own business and stay out of European affairs. The US did just that for awhile, but as more and more people in the US sympathized towards the allies (even though FDR asked people to 'Stay neutral in thought') weapons and goods started flowing from the US into Europe to the Allies. This was like a domino effect which caused more and more people in the US to side with the Allies. The Japanese bombing of Pearl Harbor was just the final straw, which finally set us off. In fact, I firmly believe we would have entered the war eventually anyways. Therefore, by complaining that the US didn't enter fast enough (saving lives), you're being hypocritical by stating that we shouldn't go into Iraq because we should keep our noses out.

You people need to get your facts straight.

-Andy

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I don't care much for this thread but I always hate this crap about WW2. The Japs were fricking crazy, they were training civilians over there how to kill. They had 10,000 kamikazes on STANDBY!!!! It takes no more than 2 kamikazes to take down a destroyer. It's the most effective tactic to taking out structures, especially ships. They had more than enough to take out our navy. The estimated losses for American's going into Japan was 3/4 of a million lives. And the estimated losses of the enemy was about 1 and 3/4 million to 2 million lives. The bomb actually minimized casualties.

 
First off, world war two should NOT be used as evidence of any nations good intenions. The states had been attacked just as the british common wealt, the french, the polish, the russians, the dutch, and all those other countries. All of the allies sacrificed their youth and that should never be doubted. My grandpa stormed juno beach to help liberate france, why is that less important then the american soldiers storming omaha beach?

People saying that the states deserve to be offered aid during disaster is just stupid. Look all over the world at the poverty and the world disasters, when europe was flooded this summer was there a deluge of american suport? no. Howabout when there was an earthquake in india? yes. There is not enough foreign aid around right now to fix the worst of the worlds problems(starvation, preventable disease, education, ect.) so why should the worlds richest nation receive money from other nations?

Mentioning the space race, just made no sense. The americans beat the russians to the moon, russians beat americans to having a decent space station. But i don't see why that means we should support the united states anymore.

The problem i have with the states attacking Iraq is that it won't solve anything, it will cause alot of suffering, and in all likely hood will just create more world terror. And while suddam hussein may be a evil bastard, but President kim of Northa korea is a psychotic evil bastard. The CIA its self said that if suddam got fissile materials he could have a nuclear bomb in atleast a year. North Korea HAS nuclear bombs that can reach the states. Not only that but Korea continualy threatens the use of such weapons and yet no actoin is taken. By using Bush's logic, north korea is the bigger threat and needs to be disarmed first. Iraq has become a diversion for the public awway from north korea because attacking NK IS dangerous where as attacking Iraq IS NOT. And the Arab world will view an attack on Iraq as further proof of western racism because we're going to blow the shit out of the Arabs instead of the asians.

I am a canadian and i will proudly say that whoever wrote that first article is ignorant.

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Oh yeah they're ignorant...when they are open to different views and acceptance? Makes sense...

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North Korea is going to be dealt with. The same people that criticize our actions against Iraq as hasty jump to say we should be going in and doing something to North Korea. Well guess what we've dealt with Iraq before, we know this game a little better. The only thing slowing action against Iraq down is the amount of diplomacy gone into this war. The states have been preparing for action against NK. They've already flown hundreds of spy missions over NK. The differnce between Iraq and NK is that we haven't had an NK situation before. Additionally, other nations in that region such as Russia, China, Japan, and South Korea have a lot at stake with a tenuous NK situation. NK is going to be dealt with on a larger multilateral scale and diplomacy and any military action is going to take more time to coordinate.

 
' North Korea HAS nuclear bombs that can reach the states. '

No, they don't. They have long range cruise missles which can reach Japan, but thats about it.

-Andy

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'The united states has the biggest dept in the world right now and its getting worse. The united states slaughtered uncounted numbers of people when they went into germany. Bring back the lives lost.'

what about the jews the nazi's killed..how many was it,im not totally sure but out of 8 million jews 6 millions of them were slaughtered in concentration camps like Auschwitz...the nazi party had it comeing..dont even say the americans are responsible for the lives lost in ww2...thats just retarded right there

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North Korea HAS nuclear bombs that can reach the states. '

No, they don't. They have long range cruise missles which can reach Japan, but thats about it.

-Andy

Andy...no offense but you talk about reliable sources, let's see yours?

'The united states has the biggest dept in the world right now and its getting worse. The united states slaughtered uncounted numbers of people when they went into germany. Bring back the lives lost.'

what about the jews the nazi's killed..how many was it,im not totally sure but out of 8 million jews 6 millions of them were slaughtered in concentration camps like Auschwitz...the nazi party had it comeing..dont even say the americans are responsible for the lives lost in ww2...thats just retarded right there

Yes the nazis were terrible, but do you think the whole of Germany was behind them? Hell no. in fact most of germany wasn't. I hold no grudge against soldiers killing other soldiers(allies killing nazis) but do you think when the berlin wall went down they were picking targets?

Mayor of NS Isle

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i was listening on the capitol public radio news station the other day, and they were mentioning how china and the other nations in the secruity council were hesitant to enter into multilateral negotions w/ north korea, and how they felt the situation ought to be a bilateral negotion between NK and the united states... its pretty lame when everyone wants to be all involved with the iraq situation, but when theres a threat to their homeland (china &russia) nearby in NK, they dont want any part of it... i guess thats only natural though....

-all you need are drums to start a dance party-

 
Crimson are you stuck back in 1939??? Because that's what it seems like since you're so appalled at civilian casualties. In fact you can thank the Germans for being the first proponent of bombings aimed at civilians as well as soldiers. Obviously I'm referring to the infamous Germain bombing of Guernica during the Spanish Civil War. Until that point civilians hadn't felt the direct effects of modern war. Obviously there is no country in the world who can fight an efficient and practical war without their being civilian casualties. It's been that way ever since Guernica. Guernica was such an upsetting event that many that it even inspired Picasso to make a piece after it. But those times are past and this is the modern warfare that exists.

That's pretty stupid of China. When the situation first appeared many experts thought that China and Russia would have a lot of interest in seeking a multilateral situation... ya know cause it's kind of in their area... If they want to defer entirely to the US what kind of message is that sending? That message would be that the US is responsible for 'policing.' So if other powerful nations want to defer such matters to the US people should in the future stop bitching about the US having so much gall and harp on eastern countries being too big of pussies to handle affairs in their region.

 
dont you mean WWE there c_lo? i dont see what the world wild life federation has to do with anything.... and thanks for using my favorite word again.

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Well I a pissed off because they don't know shit about planes. Hmmm, does Airbus ring a bell.

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Andrew

*Proud member of Newschoolers for Peace*

 
'Yes the nazis were terrible, but do you think the whole of Germany was behind them? Hell no. in fact most of germany wasn't. I hold no grudge against soldiers killing other soldiers(allies killing nazis) but do you think when the berlin wall went down they were picking targets?'

Um... first of all. Most of germany WAS for the Nazi's... have you EVER seen any of Hitler's speeches on tape? There are THOUSANDS upon THOUSANDS of people there, he riled up a giant majority of the people against the jewish religion and against 'non aryans'... The German state was in a TERRIBLE state of decay, bread cost millions of Deutshemarks at the time, people were hauling wheelbarrows of money to pay for their groceries. The people were looking for someone to blame, Hitler provided the leadership they were looking for. So yeah, most of Germany WAS behind Hitler, its common sense history. Another thing, What the fuck does the Berlin wall ahve to do with ANYTHING, it fell in 1989, the Nazi's were gone dead and buried.

Another thing, about North Korea, they were testing their 3 stage ballistic missles back in 1998, they were at the prototype phase. It takes much more than 5 years to advance from prototype to actual production of a ballistic missle system.

I'm getting my info from Jane's defense magazines... the most reliable source on world military.

-Andy

I am God... Please feel free to take a number, I'll be right with you.

 
yea, ok. but with all bad comes some good. just because we've had some jackasses in politics doesn't mean we're horrible...

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There was a north korea defector in japan who stated that the north korean ballistic missile program had been accelerated and that the North koreans had missiles that could reach north american soil.

'if you're in the mafia and they scratch your ass, but you don't scratch their ass back, THEY'LL FUCKING WACK YOU!'-This kid explain why this girl should let him touch her ass,
 
alot of smart points being said

i could vent and prove my point, but if any of you have read my post on phrostys america is the greatest country thread. then you should know where i stand.

plus everything that needs to be said has been.

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i read as far as 'japan.. yadda yadda... was lifted out of war' which was in the first or second paragraph then i threw back my head and just laughed. do you honestly think you saved them from war by dropping 2 nukes on them?

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Whoow! You know you can't bring that weak ass stuff up in this hompybompy! You kill the joe, you make some moe! You know that baby! Else you in for a long day, a looong day, 'cause Triple T's in this BIIITCH!
 
Anson you sound like the hugest idiot ever. Open up any history book and that is what you will hear. The japanese would have fought till the the last man there would have been huge casualties if we had invaded. I dont feel like typing everything I would want to say cause I dont feel like getting in stupid arguments with people about this

Rastafarians believed Ronald Reagan was the Anti-Christ

 
plus its already been said... if he would have read instead of laughing his nefarious, albeit premature laugh, he would have made himself to look like an idiot.

-all you need are drums to start a dance party-

 
OK, I'm done fighting this because obviously you guys can't handle(andy like always and some others, not everyone) a normal argument without having a fucking aneurism. Thanks to you who have listened to me and given rebuttles, they were good and you all have good points. Let's face it, this war is illegitimate no matter how you look at it, and if bush goes ahead without UN approval it will set them back 2 decades. This argument is beating a dead horse, and everyone's got a right to their own opinion and it's obvious none of ours are gona change any time soon. This forum's a battleground enough as it is. Someone talk about skiing.

Mayor of NS Isle

If you don't make it the first time, you need to go bigger
 
the only thing that I fear will happen if we go without the UN is that the UN will loose so much of it's little strength it has now. which in turn will just put more pressure on the US in the future to resolve global issues. After all america pushed for the UN to be formed to become the global police force so we could go back to a more submissive state (yea that happened).

 
Uhh? I can't handle? Dude, I presented more valid rebuttles than half the folk that posted.

-Andy

I am God... Please feel free to take a number, I'll be right with you.

 
the intent of this thread wasnt to discuss the impending war (although almost all non ski threads end up that way) it was to point out that people need to quit being america haters just cause its trendy... cause were really nice people... really...

-all you need are drums to start a dance party-

 
Phatt Tim, you know damn right that if New Zealand exploded in a huge geothermal fireball that the US would be the first country to help, yet if Yellow Stone erupted, you kiwis would do jack shit. Sure we kill people, there are enemies, innocent Germans during WWII didnt exsist, they sat on their hands while millions of Jews and non Jews went to the death camps. At the end of the war, the Americans rounded up German citizens and lead them to mountains of dead bodies to show them what happened. If the US invades Baghdad it will be with smaller opt teams to remove Sadaam, how stupid do you think we are to drop daisy cutters right on Baghdad.

 
'North Korea HAS nuclear bombs that can reach the states.

No, they don't. They have long range cruise missles which can reach Japan, but thats about it.'

Taepo Dong-2 missile: 2 stage version has a range of 6,200 miles, enough to hit Alaska or Hawaii. 3 stage version has a range of 9,300 miles, enough to hit any point in America. Not sure how many of these they have, or if they're ready to go, but it would NOT be smart to ignore the possiblity.

 
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