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Govygen_gourmet

Govygen_gourmet

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Why do touring and Backcountry tools think they are the shit? They rub it in everybody's faces like they are better than everyone.

"Look at me I'm touring, I'm better than you" is the vibe most of them give off. They really just like showing off their expensive gear but only about 25% of the BC group can actually rip and those people I can respect because they rip and are humble about it.

The rest, kinda suck, when they come back inbounds to the rest of us, it's like.. "Dang bro all that fancy gear and I still found a gnarlier line than you and made it down before you, but hey.. I'm not bragging about it". Oh yeah, nice a splitboard.. I like it.. now let's get out there and idk.. put it to use?

Cool skins dude, you are so good at hiking up I am so inspired by u.. u deserve a silent cheer! 2 points for u!

"How do those touring bindings work?"

"Well, you can only know how to use them if you know how to rip"

"But I can rip, in fact.. I don't mean to offend you.. but I haven't really seen you rip before, also isn't the point of going to the BC supposed to include FUN, Friends, and POW? I mean if we're being honest who actually cares if you're the best skier on the mountain pr not?"

"Well.. when you put it that way, I still won't show you how these works.. because I'm afraid you'll get a touring setup and you'll shine more than me and It will offend me.. also, you don't have 5 mil and my daddy does... why am I even associating with the likes of you?"

"Okay, dood... carry on den.. HAVE FUN"
 
13910584:FabricatedFront4 said:
Wow.... You must really hate touring skiers... Did a touring skier incinerate your childhood somehow?
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I don't hate them as a group, I just dislike those who are like 30 sum, can't ski too good, brag about skinning up and skiing down an easy or intermediate at best line. As I said there is a minority of them who can actually ski well as well as have a good time.. without being a douche about it.
 
meh. some guys are more into the hiking/climbing aspect of it over the skiing down part. that's cool but just not what i'm into.
 
I get it, some groups of skiers are annoying or maybe not your style but I feel like you should just let people do what they're going to do. Not everyone is gonna be into touring, not everyone is going to be into new wave but its skiers as a whole that collectively allow the sport to stay afloat and progress. Plus, somebody needs to buy all that expensive gear so I can get it for cheap when they sell it on CL once they figure out it isn't their cup of tea
 
But seriously yo, why the fuck would anyone walk up a fuckin mountain when the lifts are running? It’s free I guess. But it’s also stoooipid
 
13910606:tyler1719 said:
I get it, some groups of skiers are annoying or maybe not your style but I feel like you should just let people do what they're going to do. Not everyone is gonna be into touring, not everyone is going to be into new wave but its skiers as a whole that collectively allow the sport to stay afloat and progress. Plus, somebody needs to buy all that expensive gear so I can get it for cheap when they sell it on CL once they figure out it isn't their cup of tea
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I don't think any of you get it i'm not calling out the entire group because i do like the touring dudes who shred and are chill about it.. but other than them there is a large number of folks who can't really shred, they are decent at their best, but they rub it all in everybody's faces on their stories, their posts, and when you talk with them in person its like...

"i'm so above it all, I have a touring setup... Oh you only ride inbounds what an amateur" like I said this does not represent all touring doods... but this does describe a good amount of them
 
13910662:Govygen_gourmet said:
I don't think any of you get it i'm not calling out the entire group because i do like the touring dudes who shred and are chill about it.. but other than them there is a large number of folks who can't really shred, they are decent at their best, but they rub it all in everybody's faces on their stories, their posts, and when you talk with them in person its like...

"i'm so above it all, I have a touring setup... Oh you only ride inbounds what an amateur" like I said this does not represent all touring doods... but this does describe a good amount of them
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Fuckin nailed it. They blow balls at skiing Bc they spend all their time WALKING. They are the snowshoers of skiing. However....I get the walking bummshit before and after the ski areas are open. Kinda. Fuck that avalanche shit too
 
13910659:Throwitslownlow said:
But seriously yo, why the fuck would anyone walk up a fuckin mountain when the lifts are running? It’s free I guess. But it’s also stoooipid
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Better snow, less crowds, more excercise, real terrain, no groomers, better views, quieter, no time limit, and yes it is free. I genuinely feel bad for you if you haven't gotten out of bounds yet.
 
i hate accessing the best terrain in the mountains with no tracks before me for free. it makes me feel bad because someone should be taking my money
 
I can see the appeal if you are into hiking and climbing. I personally prefer getting a crew together and sledding out into the backcountry. Not everyone needs a sled but if you are touring you all need touring gear.

I also hate multi-day hiking trips so there is that.
 
13910674:philipc said:
i hate accessing the best terrain in the mountains with no tracks before me for free. it makes me feel bad because someone should be taking my money
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You can enjoy walking while I enjoy the rails.
 
13910719:Cade2 said:
You must be retarded if you think hitting a rail is better than hitting the BC.
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Waaaaay more skiing to be had inbounds unless you have a fuckin heli. I will take pipes and rails every time over doing some dumbass avalanche homework shit and then walking for hours for one fuckin run. #retarded
 
13910720:Throwitslownlow said:
Waaaaay more skiing to be had inbounds unless you have a fuckin heli. I will take pipes and rails every time over doing some dumbass avalanche homework shit and then walking for hours for one fuckin run. #retarded
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Thank you for showing everyone your stupidity. Did my job for me haha
 
13910720:Throwitslownlow said:
Waaaaay more skiing to be had inbounds unless you have a fuckin heli. I will take pipes and rails every time over doing some dumbass avalanche homework shit and then walking for hours for one fuckin run. #retarded
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you'll understand when you're older
 
i get the point kinda, but i don't hate touring at all. shit's mad fun when the conditions are good. but some of the people you can meet are major dicks.
 
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All I can say is that you need to find better touring partners, there’s dudes out there that are chill as fuck and can shred.
 
i've never toured, but there is definitely something surreal about skiing untouched terrain and making your own lines. As i get older i'm sure i'll be leaning in that direction.

As far as those dudes being cocky, There are condescending people everywhere
 
topic:Govygen_gourmet said:
"How do those touring bindings work?"

"Well, you can only know how to use them if you know how to rip"

"But I can rip, in fact.. I don't mean to offend you.. but I haven't really seen you rip before, also isn't the point of going to the BC supposed to include FUN, Friends, and POW? I mean if we're being honest who actually cares if you're the best skier on the mountain pr not?"

"Well.. when you put it that way, I still won't show you how these works.. because I'm afraid you'll get a touring setup and you'll shine more than me and It will offend me.. also, you don't have 5 mil and my daddy does... why am I even associating with the likes of you?"

"Okay, dood... carry on den.. HAVE FUN"
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So..... this was real conversation you had with someone in the side country or something?
 
13910720:Throwitslownlow said:
Waaaaay more skiing to be had inbounds unless you have a fuckin heli.
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You don’t have heli? How do ski the real shit man?

I’m hoping my dads company goes public so I can get rid of my family’s old jet ranger and upgrade to a Astar.
 
If you want to ski a ton and progress then go inbounds cause you'll get more vert.

Touring is dope because you can get into amazing zones, find some solitude and ski untouched pow. I like the outdoors and the exercise component of it so I enjoy touring. Just sayin, there's a reason why tons of big name park pros transition into the backcountry too.

There are a lot of tools with the holier than thou mentality that suck but I think you could say the same about a lot of park skiers hating on everyone else who doesn't ski park.
 
I look at it this way. Its just like all mountain biking; you have those who believe every ride is the national qualifier race and some that wanna ride in peace, far away from people.

With the sport blowing up, you are always bound to have posers with small dicks trying to compensate and a lot more of them as they come out from the city. Skill takes you much further than the average Jerrys with touring gear. If your a better rider, you can break away from people and last longer with rougher line nobody has done yet. Like the Jedi uses the light saber, its skill over gear.
 
at that point, you just say shit to get a rise out of them. be all like "yeah i dont really like pow, even if its a 20"+ blower day id much rather hike rails and stuff."
 
bro u just dont get it its an ALtErnaTIvE lifestyle

free the heel and the mind will follow

jk i love touring but people who obsess over it are shitheads, and whenever i see the fucking 5k$+ setup of arcteryx and kingpins and zero gs and tlts i want to fucking blow my brains out because they always ski like shit
 
one time a few years ago my friend let me crash at her apartment in chamonix while she was in paris for the week.

i met her roommate who was a big skier and so of course we talked about skiing for a while. when she figured out that i was into park skiing she got a bit condescending and was all like "o, i prefer to earn my turns" which was pretty much the end of our only conversation that week and the only slightly shitty experience ive ever had with some who identifies as a primarily backcountry skier.
 
I totally feel the OP on this one. Definitely doesn't apply to everyone who spends a lot of time in the BC skiing, but there are a large number of people who are particularly condescending, especially if you are on the younger side (
 
13911161:mcswizzle said:
I totally feel the OP on this one. Definitely doesn't apply to everyone who spends a lot of time in the BC skiing, but there are a large number of people who are particularly condescending, especially if you are on the younger side (
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Post got cut off... but as I was saying, if you are the younger side (less than 30) and don't have the standard gear. When I skied on CRJs with plate bindings, I'd get stonewalled by people I ran into on the skin track far more than I do now with DPS and tech bindings. Talking with BC skiers about ski options, I still get the standard, dismissive responses of "Really? Bet you its not in" or "Be careful, the avy danger is probably really high in that area" regardless of the actual conditions probably because I'm fairly young. Also get the "I've skied that /claim" fairly often too. At any rate, there are good reasons for this type of behavior as its a dangerous sport that requires complex decision making but too often BC skiers, who spend a majority of their time skiing in bounds, treat everyone like outsiders who have no idea and no business skiing out of bounds.
 
13911163:mcswizzle said:
Post got cut off... but as I was saying, if you are the younger side (less than 30) and don't have the standard gear. When I skied on CRJs with plate bindings, I'd get stonewalled by people I ran into on the skin track far more than I do now with DPS and tech bindings. Talking with BC skiers about ski options, I still get the standard, dismissive responses of "Really? Bet you its not in" or "Be careful, the avy danger is probably really high in that area" regardless of the actual conditions probably because I'm fairly young. Also get the "I've skied that /claim" fairly often too. At any rate, there are good reasons for this type of behavior as its a dangerous sport that requires complex decision making but too often BC skiers, who spend a majority of their time skiing in bounds, treat everyone like outsiders who have no idea and no business skiing out of bounds.
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I fuckin hate when them dudes act holy with their avalanche bullshit talk.most of them can’t ski. And sure as fuck can’t send rails. I don’t ski in order to get exercise. I ski to send it.

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I'm not sure how you are all having theses interactions with "backcountry tools" unless you are also in the backcountry?
 
Calm down young one. No need to be disgusted or outraged. As a 38 year old former park rat turned BC bro you need to check yourself. I'll give you that there are ton of front range bros that get the AT setup and are instant "mountain guides" yet for every one of them there is a kid that just got his first set of twins, got him some FT's and is a full on jibber. Both are full of shit. The ski community is full of it. From how big the cliff or rail was to how deep the pow was.... Dude should have been there. You suck, I'm radder that you.

Here are some facts for you. At 38 I've had 6 knee surgeries, broken more bones than I care to count and now have a job and family. I get hurt, I'm out of work. I get hurt, it hurts. I have learned I no longer bounce... I splat. It happens to us all young one. I still hit a few rails and send it when the feelings right, I love lapping the pipe and enjoy sliding on white stuff. Any white stuff. So I'm a tool... You're a tool, we're all tools. We are sliding on frozen shit with sticks stuck to our feet. So calm down and enjoy the ride.
 
13910659:Throwitslownlow said:
But it’s also stoooipid
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Even with lifts on a pow day, It's only really good for like 3 runs max. When touring you can pick your line and it usually gets windblown before all the food stuff gets skied out. Also to the guy that said he wanted to blow his brains out when he sees people using zero g's and kingpins... That's not even close to as light and expensive as you can go, and I was having work done to my touring boots so I couldn't use my kingpins/JJ Zeros and had to use Il Moros on a friends Dukes mounted on Bubbas and it kind of sucked on the way up, and not that much better on the way down... That said, unless you're doing multi day tours and already have touring experience, do yourself a favor and stay away from floating heel setups (pretty much any dynafit) and carbon skis are also probably not worth it for day tours.
 
13910720:Throwitslownlow said:
Waaaaay more skiing to be had inbounds unless you have a fuckin heli. I will take pipes and rails every time over doing some dumbass avalanche homework shit and then walking for hours for one fuckin run. #retarded
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20 bucks says this guys a 12 year old riding scratch pros
 
Snoypocalypse pretty much hit the nail on the head. If people want to act that way that's totally cool, I just hope that they can someday figure out that they look like ass hats.
 
13911622:JWillySkeez said:
Snoypocalypse pretty much hit the nail on the head. If people want to act that way that's totally cool, I just hope that they can someday figure out that they look like ass hats.
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I agree, but we are all asshats to somebody. I drive a big truck, some import junky would think I'm an asshat. Poles vs no poles. Goggles under or over the lid, hell even the lid vs no lid. We all can't please everyone and being content living your life the way you want to goes a long way. Don't get me wrong we all know that one guy that is a complete tool and that's cool. Just roll the eyes and move along.
 
13911694:snowpocalypse said:
I agree, but we are all asshats to somebody. I drive a big truck, some import junky would think I'm an asshat. Poles vs no poles. Goggles under or over the lid, hell even the lid vs no lid. We all can't please everyone and being content living your life the way you want to goes a long way. Don't get me wrong we all know that one guy that is a complete tool and that's cool. Just roll the eyes and move along.
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Couldn’t have said it better
 
13910669:Quaff said:
Better snow, less crowds, more excercise, real terrain, no groomers, better views, quieter, no time limit, and yes it is free. I genuinely feel bad for you if you haven't gotten out of bounds yet.
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he was probably talking about those weird individuals you can find on the side of a slope sweating right next to the fucking chairlift "earning their turns". Might as well go full on cross country

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13911830:Adolf_Skitler said:
he was probably talking about those weird individuals you can find on the side of a slope sweating right next to the fucking chairlift "earning their turns". Might as well go full on cross country

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Exactly, I specifically said that there are Some BC Bros who can really shred, who know all of the real spots, and who have experience in Touring. Those guys get the respect but then there are soo many of these people, soo many of them fill IG feeds with pictures of their "tour". They don't tour! They are simply posers with expensive gear, riding down easy and intermediate runs just outside of boundary zones or inside boundary zones when a resort is closed.
 
Yeah my tools are always giving off an air of superiority. In fact just the other day I had to take my avi shovel out of my trunk to get a break from its incessant murmuring about how it is the shit.
 
13912969:skiP.E.I. said:
Yeah my tools are always giving off an air of superiority. In fact just the other day I had to take my avi shovel out of my trunk to get a break from its incessant murmuring about how it is the shit.
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Seriously its embarrassing at times how hot my setup is.
 
13913030:Skibumsmith said:
I’m taking over this thread. You are now only allowed to post cool touring pictures.

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Okay... so what was the point of you doing this?

To prove that people that ski in the backcountry are humble thrill seekers who's obsession with the pure and overwhelming joy of skiing keeps them from growing oversized egos and looking down on other skiers? If this is your point, why are you entering the thread by demanding that its yours and posting photos of yourself?

Are you trying to say that because some people don't like being treated like idiots and novices while trying to engage in their passion they are somehow missing the point of it all? In theory, it shouldn't matter as its all about the skiing. It shouldn't matter about the gear you wear or how technical your vocabulary is in regards to snow dynamics. That's what the OP is saying and unfortunately there are a LOT of people (for context I live in Summit County, CO so this is probably a more pervasive issue than other places for a number of reasons) who's attitude is terrible. Its hard trying to get into the backcountry scene. Its a financially, physically, and mentally challenging sport that requires knowledge and careful focus even without a constant stream of naysayers. When I was just starting to get into touring, even just going into a mellow, popular zone, I had to summon my courage and hope my confidence would lead me to where I wanted to ski. If my relatively less experienced crew ran into anyone (no exaggeration) literally no one ever offered advice or beta. Most of the time it was like "are you sure you know what you're doing?" and "You guys really shouldn't be back here if you don't know the name of the line". The name of the line?? Who cares, its probably got like 12 names anyway.

Upon telling someone it was my first time skiing in the area and informing them I had a map and photos of the line, they scoffed, said "good luck", and cruised by us. Everyone knows that a map and a photo of the line is pretty much as good as you can ask for in terms of navigation, but even so, this guy saw our gear and determined we were idiots unworthy of his skill and intellect. Its fuckin hard to bounce back from stuff like this, when all the experienced, grizzled skiers that seem to know what they are doing are incredulous towards you. It'd be like if you went up to Tom Wallisch asking for advice on how to do a cork 7 and he replied "You don't know what your doing, figure it out for yourself."

This season, I went to East Vail with tons more experience than a couple years ago. I was talking to a guy and I told him this was my first time skiing the area but I had a map, labeled photos, a cell phone (with service), plenty of advice on where to go, etc. The self-appointed King of East Vail simply responded "you don't know what your doing, you can't come back here without someone showing you where to go". At this point in my life, and like a lot of people in this thread are suggesting, I smiled and nodded and my group proceeded to ski the line we wanted to. Three years ago, I would have turned around, gone home, and made a post on NS wondering why there are so many d-bags who backcountry ski. In the end, the condescending BC skier to which the OP refers can ruin the sport for people looking to experience the backcountry in the way which so many love (and is being pushed super hard by the industry right now). Yes, it shouldn't be an issue, and I don't have the space to get into why people are like this out of bounds, but it is demeaning and prevents people from getting stoked. And if skiing is all about getting stoked, which a number of people have said, whats the point of buying a bunch of gear, taking avy classes, walking miles with skis on your feet, climbing a mountain, and accepting significant risk to ski down it if people are going to rain on your parade?

tl;dr - The type of people the OP refers to are real and make it really tough to get into backcountry skiing.
 
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