Petecanski
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The bush regime has made me addicted to the daily show.
So, what has the Bush Regime done for you?
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1. Bush is not stupid, anyone who graduated from or got into Yail is not stupid
2. A regime is what is used for a dictatorship, regimes are long lasting unlike terms that the USA has.
3. People people dont realize that WMDs or no, Iraq was still harboring terrorist and supplying them, which as Bush stated makes you just a guilty as being a terrorist
4. The media is liberal, i saw a report that in Iraq sixty people die a day (Civilian and military personnel included), compared to any war that the USA has been in that is good. During the Civil War, WWI, WWII, and Vietnam, people would have been happy that 60 people died. It is the liberal media that exaggerates and blows every thing out of proportion.
5. I think that Bush needs to take tougher stands against his opposition, but if Al Gore would have been president during 9/11 this country would have been a lot worse off.
2. A regime is what is used for a dictatorship, regimes are long lasting unlike terms that the USA has.
3. People people dont realize that WMDs or no, Iraq was still harboring terrorist and supplying them, which as Bush stated makes you just a guilty as being a terrorist
4. The media is liberal, i saw a report that in Iraq sixty people die a day (Civilian and military personnel included), compared to any war that the USA has been in that is good. During the Civil War, WWI, WWII, and Vietnam, people would have been happy that 60 people died. It is the liberal media that exaggerates and blows every thing out of proportion.
5. I think that Bush needs to take tougher stands against his opposition, but if Al Gore would have been president during 9/11 this country would have been a lot worse off.
willbro466
Active member
he got me a good grade in environmental (anti-bush) science
SRskierSFS
Active member
i didnt fucking use wikipedia as a source ,jesus christ i used it to define what the Downing Street Memo was
williamtell414
Member
it looks like someone just watched a michael moore movie and thinks they are smart shit...
-if by 'Americans' you mean terrorist suspects, then your first statement is somewhat correct
-we found mobile labs for biological weapons and fleet of migs under 10 feet of sand; if they could hide migs under there, i doubt it would be too hard to hide WMDs
-if you think the UN has any sort of tangible authority in the world, you are sadly mistaken
-wow i had no idea i was being psychologically terrorized by bush! you may need some more proof to sell this one...
-im going to let the 911 comment slide because it is so pathetic...you forgot to assign responsibiblity to the mayor of new orleans and the governor of LA for the preparation for Katrina--maybe because they are both dems? or because one is black (and hardly litarate) and the other is a woman? new orleans was an accident waiting to happen, and everyone knew it beforehand
-yeah we are being so unfair, sadam certainly didnt commit any war crimes. we should actually not arm our soldiers adequately to make it more fair
-im sure in the same breath you would blame bush for not arming our troops enough, despite the trillion bucks; also, the money invested in weapons development always trickles down to the general public (a perfect example is the internet)
man i dont know who is feeding you this crap, but you should really make sure its logical and accurate so you dont sound retarded
-if by 'Americans' you mean terrorist suspects, then your first statement is somewhat correct
-we found mobile labs for biological weapons and fleet of migs under 10 feet of sand; if they could hide migs under there, i doubt it would be too hard to hide WMDs
-if you think the UN has any sort of tangible authority in the world, you are sadly mistaken
-wow i had no idea i was being psychologically terrorized by bush! you may need some more proof to sell this one...
-im going to let the 911 comment slide because it is so pathetic...you forgot to assign responsibiblity to the mayor of new orleans and the governor of LA for the preparation for Katrina--maybe because they are both dems? or because one is black (and hardly litarate) and the other is a woman? new orleans was an accident waiting to happen, and everyone knew it beforehand
-yeah we are being so unfair, sadam certainly didnt commit any war crimes. we should actually not arm our soldiers adequately to make it more fair
-im sure in the same breath you would blame bush for not arming our troops enough, despite the trillion bucks; also, the money invested in weapons development always trickles down to the general public (a perfect example is the internet)
man i dont know who is feeding you this crap, but you should really make sure its logical and accurate so you dont sound retarded
SRskierSFS
Active member
-hey that's great we found mobile labs that could possibly hide WMDs, were there any there?
-i didn't say the UN had tangible authority
- how the fuck am i supposed to prove to you you are being psychologically terroized by anyone, i wasn't aiming that comment at you you fucking idiot, more like a majority and in your view a minority of people
-no go ahead and correct me about the 9/11 comment, go ahead and so how we had NO IDEA that that event was going to happen. And yes you could blame the governor of LA for preparation of Katrina, but if you haven't noticed i didn't make this thread to rant about the governor.yeah everyone knew before hand but you'd have to be a fucking moron to disagree with the fact that we could have been WAY MORE prepared, look at New Orleans now, look at it in a year and tell me we were prepared for it.
-you're a fucking ignorant bastard if you think spreading disease like Agent Orange is not a war crime. Agent Orange was a war crime, dropping the A Bombs on Nagasaki and Hiroshima was a war crime. If you think this war was fair to start off with you are clearly mistaken.
-WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?!Are you saying i don't think Bush armed our troops enough, that makes no sense.
-i didn't say the UN had tangible authority
- how the fuck am i supposed to prove to you you are being psychologically terroized by anyone, i wasn't aiming that comment at you you fucking idiot, more like a majority and in your view a minority of people
-no go ahead and correct me about the 9/11 comment, go ahead and so how we had NO IDEA that that event was going to happen. And yes you could blame the governor of LA for preparation of Katrina, but if you haven't noticed i didn't make this thread to rant about the governor.yeah everyone knew before hand but you'd have to be a fucking moron to disagree with the fact that we could have been WAY MORE prepared, look at New Orleans now, look at it in a year and tell me we were prepared for it.
-you're a fucking ignorant bastard if you think spreading disease like Agent Orange is not a war crime. Agent Orange was a war crime, dropping the A Bombs on Nagasaki and Hiroshima was a war crime. If you think this war was fair to start off with you are clearly mistaken.
-WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?!Are you saying i don't think Bush armed our troops enough, that makes no sense.
SRskierSFS
Active member
you're totally right, thanks for taking that time to prove me wrong.
yeah, it's pretty easy to watch a micheal moore movie and be influenced by it. but i think it's much harder to listen to a word this administration has to say, AND ACTUALLY BELIEVE IT!!!
-of these alleged "terrorist suspects" how many were actually found guilty? a handful that are useless without the rest of their respective cells? does that justify violating the constitutional right of every one?
-LABS, no actual weapons. saddam has had those for decades. what can he do? snap his fingers and POOF!! they're gone?
-No, the U.N. does not have any tangible authority. but you know why that's important? because all of the members of the U.N. are countries that we depend on, for resources, technology, assistance, whatever it may be. what kind of arrogant prick actually believes that we can survive without them?
-proof of bush mindfucking us? uhh, well, let's see...OH i know! how about the fucking terror alert!?!?! in the near 5 years since 9/11, how many terrorist attacks have their been? that's what i thought. or all these press conferences telling us how and where terrorists MIGHT strike next. it's like telling a child about the boegyman, and then the child not sleeping for a week. same concept.
-what was the threat in the first place? i'm all for our troops, but there is no motivation for this war, other than oil.
now, i'd like to hear a real educated response to this.
-of these alleged "terrorist suspects" how many were actually found guilty? a handful that are useless without the rest of their respective cells? does that justify violating the constitutional right of every one?
-LABS, no actual weapons. saddam has had those for decades. what can he do? snap his fingers and POOF!! they're gone?
-No, the U.N. does not have any tangible authority. but you know why that's important? because all of the members of the U.N. are countries that we depend on, for resources, technology, assistance, whatever it may be. what kind of arrogant prick actually believes that we can survive without them?
-proof of bush mindfucking us? uhh, well, let's see...OH i know! how about the fucking terror alert!?!?! in the near 5 years since 9/11, how many terrorist attacks have their been? that's what i thought. or all these press conferences telling us how and where terrorists MIGHT strike next. it's like telling a child about the boegyman, and then the child not sleeping for a week. same concept.
-what was the threat in the first place? i'm all for our troops, but there is no motivation for this war, other than oil.
now, i'd like to hear a real educated response to this.
williamtell414
Member
the labs are where you make the weapons, and they were fully functional
if you cant prove it, dont bring it up. the purpose of a debate is to be objective.
the idea that the govt. allowed the attacks is totally illogical on multiple levels
if it were bush's job to prepare new orleans for katrina, then why do we even have mayors or governors?
i was under the impression we were talking about the bush administration, not truman or vietnam...and the atomic bomb was perfectly legal
you got me on the assumption - i meant that it is foolish to handicap our troops by placing restrictions on their weaponry. war isnt supposed to be fair, otherwise we wouldnt spend the cash to develop weapons.
if you cant prove it, dont bring it up. the purpose of a debate is to be objective.
the idea that the govt. allowed the attacks is totally illogical on multiple levels
if it were bush's job to prepare new orleans for katrina, then why do we even have mayors or governors?
i was under the impression we were talking about the bush administration, not truman or vietnam...and the atomic bomb was perfectly legal
you got me on the assumption - i meant that it is foolish to handicap our troops by placing restrictions on their weaponry. war isnt supposed to be fair, otherwise we wouldnt spend the cash to develop weapons.
jarossamdb7
Active member
and outside economics/business.
about that comment, im tired of talking politics so I just resort to minless/pissed off comments such as...
about that comment, im tired of talking politics so I just resort to minless/pissed off comments such as...
SRskierSFS
Active member
believe it or not there are such things as "war crimes", and dropping the A-Bomb's were considered war crimes, although it didn't matter because the U.S obviously came out on top.
-Listen buddy I know you're all like 'these colors don't run' and crap like that, but i don't see you backing up your points, so why don't you prove some of the crap you're talking about. i never said the government allowed the attacks, so stop putting words in my mouth and read what i say before you come back with useless knowledge that is totally irrelevant to what i'm saying.
- and are you serious on your comment about Bush's job not having anything to do with Katrina, you know what you're right buddy. Bush shouldn't ahve to worry about it, i mean i know it doesn't seem like it, but he is the leader of our country. he shouldn't give a shit, just leave it to the mayors and governors. you're a typical American.
-Listen buddy I know you're all like 'these colors don't run' and crap like that, but i don't see you backing up your points, so why don't you prove some of the crap you're talking about. i never said the government allowed the attacks, so stop putting words in my mouth and read what i say before you come back with useless knowledge that is totally irrelevant to what i'm saying.
- and are you serious on your comment about Bush's job not having anything to do with Katrina, you know what you're right buddy. Bush shouldn't ahve to worry about it, i mean i know it doesn't seem like it, but he is the leader of our country. he shouldn't give a shit, just leave it to the mayors and governors. you're a typical American.
williamtell414
Member
the 19 guys that flew into the wtc certainly werent usless without their respective cells
why else would you have MOBILE biological labs other than to make biological weapons? he isnt just driving them around for fun
the united states is dependent on other nations, but not on the UN. the u.s. is the largest donor to the UN; its arguable whether the UN would even survive without us
would you rather the administration leave the american public naive than inform us? whether or not you get freaked out by the terror alert is your own personal problem
i doubt oil was the main reason for invading iraq, simply because i think we would have seen a little more oil by now if it was. however, im not discounting the theory and oil was an incentive. that would be naive of me.
why else would you have MOBILE biological labs other than to make biological weapons? he isnt just driving them around for fun
the united states is dependent on other nations, but not on the UN. the u.s. is the largest donor to the UN; its arguable whether the UN would even survive without us
would you rather the administration leave the american public naive than inform us? whether or not you get freaked out by the terror alert is your own personal problem
i doubt oil was the main reason for invading iraq, simply because i think we would have seen a little more oil by now if it was. however, im not discounting the theory and oil was an incentive. that would be naive of me.
williamtell414
Member
im not denying federal inadequacy in reference to katrina, but you need to assign blame where blame is due, and bush is certainly not the only one to blame for katrina
SRskierSFS
Active member
wow, again I NEVER said anything about oil once in this whole thread, but you bring up a good point that I'm not getting into.
-oh my god mobile bioloigcal labs, did we find those before or after we said there were WMDs?...if Iraq had WMDs where are they now?
- I assume you're talking about the Bush Admin. when you say the administration and what I'll say about them is that the only successful thing they have done is intimidated and shut down any reporters questioning their half-truths,distortions,and lies to the build up of war, and continue to do so.
"How is the world ruled and led into war?Diplomats lie to journalists and believe those lies when they see them in print"-Karl Kraus
maybe you should check out www.fair.org
-oh my god mobile bioloigcal labs, did we find those before or after we said there were WMDs?...if Iraq had WMDs where are they now?
- I assume you're talking about the Bush Admin. when you say the administration and what I'll say about them is that the only successful thing they have done is intimidated and shut down any reporters questioning their half-truths,distortions,and lies to the build up of war, and continue to do so.
"How is the world ruled and led into war?Diplomats lie to journalists and believe those lies when they see them in print"-Karl Kraus
maybe you should check out www.fair.org
williamtell414
Member
i wasnt talking to you about oil
haha if bush has sucessfully shut down reporters questioning his lies, then how have you becoeme so informed about them? and how did farenheit 911 slip through? or any other report for that matter?
if you want objective, unbiased reports of the war, you can get them at usmc.mil, the u.s. marine corps site
haha if bush has sucessfully shut down reporters questioning his lies, then how have you becoeme so informed about them? and how did farenheit 911 slip through? or any other report for that matter?
if you want objective, unbiased reports of the war, you can get them at usmc.mil, the u.s. marine corps site
cjb1776:
" 1. Bush is not stupid, anyone who graduated from or got into Yail is not stupid"
Yale*. Also, when you buy your way in by donating a gym, it doesn't take that much on the "brains" front. However, I agree with you. Go back to his debates in the primaries in 2000, he killed EVERYONE, until about halfway through... suddenly he got dumb. Now, either he got smacked over the head with a baseball bat or his political advisors told him "That whole man-of-the-people bubba-don't-speak-too-good-of-the-english routine will play GREAT in the bible belt". I never heard anything about a baseball bat. Which says a lot about Bush, but doesn't say much for conservative voters, actually...
"3. People people dont realize that WMDs or no, Iraq was still harboring terrorist and supplying them, which as Bush stated makes you just a guilty as being a terrorist"
One more time, say it with me... 9/11 commission finds no cause to conclude that Saddam Hussein's regime had any ties whatsoever with Al Qaeda. Saddam and Bin Laden hated each other. Looks like the Bush admin were off by one letter... he may not be stupid, but incompetent remains up for debate.
" 4. The media is liberal, i saw a report that in Iraq sixty people die a day (Civilian and military personnel included), compared to any war that the USA has been in that is good. During the Civil War, WWI, WWII, and Vietnam, people would have been happy that 60 people died. It is the liberal media that exaggerates and blows every thing out of proportion."
Hey, I know I'M happy that 60 people died! I'm ecstatic to hear such great news! Seriously, you're right. Why don't the news stations ever talk about the bombs that DON'T blow up? It's war, you fucking moron. Obviously they're going to talk figures that'll shock people into paying attention... what are you more likely to get worked up over, "Suicide bomber kills 42 children", or "New power station opened outside Baghdad"?
" 5. I think that Bush needs to take tougher stands against his opposition, but if Al Gore would have been president during 9/11 this country would have been a lot worse off."
I probably shouldn't play "Would've", but for the sake of entertainment.... You wouldn't be in debt, and you wouldn't be at war with a country that had no potential to harm you... and a lot of people would still be alive, and the world wouldn't hate the US anywhere near as much... Yeah, way better off.
Williamtell414:
" -if by 'Americans' you mean terrorist suspects, then your first statement is somewhat correct"
Yes, that makes wholly illegal DOMESTIC actions that infringe on civil liberties a-okay. As long as the government thought they were terrorists, it's totally okay to break the law, or just invent new ones! Your justification for this is mind-blowing. If they started holding "suspected terrorist" Americans without charging them or giving them the right to a trial, if it became constitutional to suspend habeus corpus, would you still say "It's okay, it only applies to terrorists"?
Oh wait. Both those things are already the case. I wonder how long 'til they invoke that revocation stipulation.
" -if you think the UN has any sort of tangible authority in the world, you are sadly mistaken"
Agreed, let's discard the court of world opinion because they ain't got no nukes... hyuck. Okay, so the UN is often inefficient and bickering. Would I take that alternative above a global hegemon which apparently seems to think a foreign policy of "Fuck all you guys, we'll do what's best for us at your expense and there ain't nothin you can do about it because I have all these guys with guns" represents a nation with "moral authority", just as long as rape victims can't get an abortion? Hmmm... let me think...
"im going to let the 911 comment slide because it is so pathetic...you forgot to assign responsibiblity to the mayor of new orleans and the governor of LA for the preparation for Katrina--maybe because they are both dems? or because one is black (and hardly litarate) and the other is a woman? new orleans was an accident waiting to happen, and everyone knew it beforehand"
Yes, damn those illiterate blacks (cough*misunderestimate*cough)! They belong int he cotton fields, and those damned incompetent women should just get back in the kitchen. We'll burn every copy of The Feminine Mystique we can find, too, just to teach 'em a lesson. Yeah, you're right, New Orleans was an accident waiting to happen, and everyone knew about it... except for the President, who I described the event after the fact by beginning with "No one could have predicted..."
Next time instead of giving Alaska $450 million in federal funding for trophy bridges, how about investing some of that money in levee improvement for a below-sea-level city, you morons? Keith Olbermann will thank you.
" you got me on the assumption - i meant that it is foolish to handicap our troops by placing restrictions on their weaponry. war isnt supposed to be fair, otherwise we wouldnt spend the cash to develop weapons."
Good call. The more painful, the better. Who wants to fight an army that has weapons that will melt their eyeballs Indiana Jones style? You know what, torture is an effective means to preventing American deaths, too. We should really bring that back, can we just get rid of those damned Geneva conve-
"I accept the conclusions of the Justice Department that I have the legal authority to suspend the Geneva Convention." -George W. Bush (signed)
Oh. Well I guess that's that then.
Seriously, how utilitarian can you be? God fearing or not, you're walking straight down the path of pure immorality. If you meet him somewhere along the road, tell Bernard Marx I say hi.
" 1. Bush is not stupid, anyone who graduated from or got into Yail is not stupid"
Yale*. Also, when you buy your way in by donating a gym, it doesn't take that much on the "brains" front. However, I agree with you. Go back to his debates in the primaries in 2000, he killed EVERYONE, until about halfway through... suddenly he got dumb. Now, either he got smacked over the head with a baseball bat or his political advisors told him "That whole man-of-the-people bubba-don't-speak-too-good-of-the-english routine will play GREAT in the bible belt". I never heard anything about a baseball bat. Which says a lot about Bush, but doesn't say much for conservative voters, actually...
"3. People people dont realize that WMDs or no, Iraq was still harboring terrorist and supplying them, which as Bush stated makes you just a guilty as being a terrorist"
One more time, say it with me... 9/11 commission finds no cause to conclude that Saddam Hussein's regime had any ties whatsoever with Al Qaeda. Saddam and Bin Laden hated each other. Looks like the Bush admin were off by one letter... he may not be stupid, but incompetent remains up for debate.
" 4. The media is liberal, i saw a report that in Iraq sixty people die a day (Civilian and military personnel included), compared to any war that the USA has been in that is good. During the Civil War, WWI, WWII, and Vietnam, people would have been happy that 60 people died. It is the liberal media that exaggerates and blows every thing out of proportion."
Hey, I know I'M happy that 60 people died! I'm ecstatic to hear such great news! Seriously, you're right. Why don't the news stations ever talk about the bombs that DON'T blow up? It's war, you fucking moron. Obviously they're going to talk figures that'll shock people into paying attention... what are you more likely to get worked up over, "Suicide bomber kills 42 children", or "New power station opened outside Baghdad"?
" 5. I think that Bush needs to take tougher stands against his opposition, but if Al Gore would have been president during 9/11 this country would have been a lot worse off."
I probably shouldn't play "Would've", but for the sake of entertainment.... You wouldn't be in debt, and you wouldn't be at war with a country that had no potential to harm you... and a lot of people would still be alive, and the world wouldn't hate the US anywhere near as much... Yeah, way better off.
Williamtell414:
" -if by 'Americans' you mean terrorist suspects, then your first statement is somewhat correct"
Yes, that makes wholly illegal DOMESTIC actions that infringe on civil liberties a-okay. As long as the government thought they were terrorists, it's totally okay to break the law, or just invent new ones! Your justification for this is mind-blowing. If they started holding "suspected terrorist" Americans without charging them or giving them the right to a trial, if it became constitutional to suspend habeus corpus, would you still say "It's okay, it only applies to terrorists"?
Oh wait. Both those things are already the case. I wonder how long 'til they invoke that revocation stipulation.
" -if you think the UN has any sort of tangible authority in the world, you are sadly mistaken"
Agreed, let's discard the court of world opinion because they ain't got no nukes... hyuck. Okay, so the UN is often inefficient and bickering. Would I take that alternative above a global hegemon which apparently seems to think a foreign policy of "Fuck all you guys, we'll do what's best for us at your expense and there ain't nothin you can do about it because I have all these guys with guns" represents a nation with "moral authority", just as long as rape victims can't get an abortion? Hmmm... let me think...
"im going to let the 911 comment slide because it is so pathetic...you forgot to assign responsibiblity to the mayor of new orleans and the governor of LA for the preparation for Katrina--maybe because they are both dems? or because one is black (and hardly litarate) and the other is a woman? new orleans was an accident waiting to happen, and everyone knew it beforehand"
Yes, damn those illiterate blacks (cough*misunderestimate*cough)! They belong int he cotton fields, and those damned incompetent women should just get back in the kitchen. We'll burn every copy of The Feminine Mystique we can find, too, just to teach 'em a lesson. Yeah, you're right, New Orleans was an accident waiting to happen, and everyone knew about it... except for the President, who I described the event after the fact by beginning with "No one could have predicted..."
Next time instead of giving Alaska $450 million in federal funding for trophy bridges, how about investing some of that money in levee improvement for a below-sea-level city, you morons? Keith Olbermann will thank you.
" you got me on the assumption - i meant that it is foolish to handicap our troops by placing restrictions on their weaponry. war isnt supposed to be fair, otherwise we wouldnt spend the cash to develop weapons."
Good call. The more painful, the better. Who wants to fight an army that has weapons that will melt their eyeballs Indiana Jones style? You know what, torture is an effective means to preventing American deaths, too. We should really bring that back, can we just get rid of those damned Geneva conve-
"I accept the conclusions of the Justice Department that I have the legal authority to suspend the Geneva Convention." -George W. Bush (signed)
Oh. Well I guess that's that then.
Seriously, how utilitarian can you be? God fearing or not, you're walking straight down the path of pure immorality. If you meet him somewhere along the road, tell Bernard Marx I say hi.
levistewart
Active member
r u talking about the bernard marx from the story brave new world
SRskierSFS
Active member
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www.globalexchange.com
www.militaryfreezone.org
www.fas.org
www.punkvoter.com
www.opceasefire.org
www.dreamchange.org
www.percyschmeiser.com
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c109:H.R.2410.IH:
www.cadu.org.uk
www.lawyersagainstthewar.org
www.greenleft.org.au
www.democracynow.org
www.truthout.org
www.indymedia.org
www.undergroundactionalliance.org
And about your comment about the u.s marine corps: i think you know enough about me now to realize you'd have to be a fucking idiot to try to convince me that the U.S Marine Corps website WOULDN'T be unbiased about the war at all, that's common sense.
www.worldcantwait.org
www.forbloodandempire.com
www.globalexchange.com
www.militaryfreezone.org
www.fas.org
www.punkvoter.com
www.opceasefire.org
www.dreamchange.org
www.percyschmeiser.com
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c109:H.R.2410.IH:
www.cadu.org.uk
www.lawyersagainstthewar.org
www.greenleft.org.au
www.democracynow.org
www.truthout.org
www.indymedia.org
www.undergroundactionalliance.org
And about your comment about the u.s marine corps: i think you know enough about me now to realize you'd have to be a fucking idiot to try to convince me that the U.S Marine Corps website WOULDN'T be unbiased about the war at all, that's common sense.
levistewart
Active member
yeah i know i jsut wasn't sure if thas what u were referencing to wow i am a shity speller what ev
williamtell414
Member
no one is getting detained without being charged and given the right to a trial
it isnt necessarily that the UN is inefficient, iraq was obviously not going to cooperate. are you seriously going to subject our national security to foreign leaders and a weak, corrupt organization?
im being racist at all; have you seen mayor nagen speak? check out his 'chocolate city' speech, im sure youll be impressed. im saying that if people blamed them for anything, they would likely pull the black and white card or the feminist card. just look at congresswoman mckinney. indeed, the alaska bridge was absolutely retarded.
the geneva convention applies to soldiers serving a specific nation. terrorists are not associated with any country, they are associated with a terrorist organization. thus, the geneva convention simply does not apply to them.
it isnt necessarily that the UN is inefficient, iraq was obviously not going to cooperate. are you seriously going to subject our national security to foreign leaders and a weak, corrupt organization?
im being racist at all; have you seen mayor nagen speak? check out his 'chocolate city' speech, im sure youll be impressed. im saying that if people blamed them for anything, they would likely pull the black and white card or the feminist card. just look at congresswoman mckinney. indeed, the alaska bridge was absolutely retarded.
the geneva convention applies to soldiers serving a specific nation. terrorists are not associated with any country, they are associated with a terrorist organization. thus, the geneva convention simply does not apply to them.
levistewart
Active member
guantanamo bay.(sp?) how long have they been held captive there with out trial 5 years now is it hmmm
williamtell414
Member
lmao
'punkvoter' sounds pretty reliable
same with 'impeachbush'
'punkvoter' sounds pretty reliable
same with 'impeachbush'
SRskierSFS
Active member
HAHAHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA oh my goddddddddddddddddddddddddddd
k heres the question , what good has Bush done for this country ? ( be sure to include tax cuts,debt,and casualties of war).
-"Iraq was obviously not going to cooperate", cuz they're just a bunch of towel headed fucking terrorists, every one of them. they should't even be considered humans, maybe Bush should further send more troops in so we can cage up all the Iraqi's and put them in their own zoo, equipped with a mobile biological whatever so they can make some WMD's.
-Who the fuck are you to say that Iraq wasn't going to cooperate?
k heres the question , what good has Bush done for this country ? ( be sure to include tax cuts,debt,and casualties of war).
-"Iraq was obviously not going to cooperate", cuz they're just a bunch of towel headed fucking terrorists, every one of them. they should't even be considered humans, maybe Bush should further send more troops in so we can cage up all the Iraqi's and put them in their own zoo, equipped with a mobile biological whatever so they can make some WMD's.
-Who the fuck are you to say that Iraq wasn't going to cooperate?
" no one is getting detained without being charged and given the right to a trial"
Gitmo, baby.
" it isnt necessarily that the UN is inefficient, iraq was obviously not going to cooperate. are you seriously going to subject our national security to foreign leaders and a weak, corrupt organization?"
I'm a cosmopolitan thinker... I have a broader world view in a literal sense. The USA's national security is no more important to me than any other sovereign nation. So do I trust everyone's security to the same (admittedly flawed) occasionally corrupt organization, or everyone's security to a one-sided, incompetent, manifest-destiny-oriented, illogical, groupthink-oriented, personality disorder of a government from a military-economic hegemon? No real good choice, but I'd rather improve the former, because it actually has potential for fairness. Even when it's fucked up, it's better than leaving things in the hands of one country's government.
" im being racist at all; have you seen mayor nagen speak? check out his 'chocolate city' speech, im sure youll be impressed. im saying that if people blamed them for anything, they would likely pull the black and white card or the feminist card. just look at congresswoman mckinney. indeed, the alaska bridge was absolutely retarded."
Nagan's an idiot. The local officials were to blame. But in NO SMALL WAY, so were federal officials, and so was the Bush administration for appointing idiots (incompetence breeds incompetence), and so was Bush for his utterly poor leadership.
"the geneva convention applies to soldiers serving a specific nation. terrorists are not associated with any country, they are associated with a terrorist organization. thus, the geneva convention simply does not apply to them."
The concept that he thinks he can legally suspend it because the USA is not a party to the Rome statute (Thanks, Clinton) is still quite chilling. Also, the technicality that says "Not a part of a government, so they aren't covered", doesn't change the fact that suspected terrorists are still human beings and entitled to basic human rights (ie: the right not to be tortured). If you want to claim to be better than someone, don't act worse. At least the terrorists have no such delusions of grandeur aside from the whole muslim-martyr bunch of virgins in heaven thing. Well, okay, maybe some do. But that still doesn't make you any better than them if you torture them and make use of inhumane nondiscrimnatory weaponry.
... By the way, how's that anti-personnel mine industry goin' for you? How much of your stock do you export, anyway? Still in excess of 50%
The United States, Moral authority of the world! Self-declared, of course...
Gitmo, baby.
" it isnt necessarily that the UN is inefficient, iraq was obviously not going to cooperate. are you seriously going to subject our national security to foreign leaders and a weak, corrupt organization?"
I'm a cosmopolitan thinker... I have a broader world view in a literal sense. The USA's national security is no more important to me than any other sovereign nation. So do I trust everyone's security to the same (admittedly flawed) occasionally corrupt organization, or everyone's security to a one-sided, incompetent, manifest-destiny-oriented, illogical, groupthink-oriented, personality disorder of a government from a military-economic hegemon? No real good choice, but I'd rather improve the former, because it actually has potential for fairness. Even when it's fucked up, it's better than leaving things in the hands of one country's government.
" im being racist at all; have you seen mayor nagen speak? check out his 'chocolate city' speech, im sure youll be impressed. im saying that if people blamed them for anything, they would likely pull the black and white card or the feminist card. just look at congresswoman mckinney. indeed, the alaska bridge was absolutely retarded."
Nagan's an idiot. The local officials were to blame. But in NO SMALL WAY, so were federal officials, and so was the Bush administration for appointing idiots (incompetence breeds incompetence), and so was Bush for his utterly poor leadership.
"the geneva convention applies to soldiers serving a specific nation. terrorists are not associated with any country, they are associated with a terrorist organization. thus, the geneva convention simply does not apply to them."
The concept that he thinks he can legally suspend it because the USA is not a party to the Rome statute (Thanks, Clinton) is still quite chilling. Also, the technicality that says "Not a part of a government, so they aren't covered", doesn't change the fact that suspected terrorists are still human beings and entitled to basic human rights (ie: the right not to be tortured). If you want to claim to be better than someone, don't act worse. At least the terrorists have no such delusions of grandeur aside from the whole muslim-martyr bunch of virgins in heaven thing. Well, okay, maybe some do. But that still doesn't make you any better than them if you torture them and make use of inhumane nondiscrimnatory weaponry.
... By the way, how's that anti-personnel mine industry goin' for you? How much of your stock do you export, anyway? Still in excess of 50%
The United States, Moral authority of the world! Self-declared, of course...
williamtell414
Member
are you dense?
sadam was what you call a DICTATOR. that means that he was the only one who got to decide what the entire country did. the iraqi people had nothing to do with whether or not iraq cooperated with the UN searches. we gave sadam plenty of time to make his decision, and he didnt comply.
how many terrorist attacks have there been on this country since we invaded iraq? none. we will have to wait to see what the future brings for iraq. if they can get it together, bush will have made this country safer. if not, he will be the goat. either way, he responded to an attack on america and what appeared to be another threat to our national security, and we have been secure because of it.
as for casualties, the number still has not exceeded the casualties of 911. while no one likes to see men die, this country is especially scorned abroad because of our inability to stand behind a war effort as the casualty list rises.
as far as debt goes, we are at war. debt is to be expected.
sadam was what you call a DICTATOR. that means that he was the only one who got to decide what the entire country did. the iraqi people had nothing to do with whether or not iraq cooperated with the UN searches. we gave sadam plenty of time to make his decision, and he didnt comply.
how many terrorist attacks have there been on this country since we invaded iraq? none. we will have to wait to see what the future brings for iraq. if they can get it together, bush will have made this country safer. if not, he will be the goat. either way, he responded to an attack on america and what appeared to be another threat to our national security, and we have been secure because of it.
as for casualties, the number still has not exceeded the casualties of 911. while no one likes to see men die, this country is especially scorned abroad because of our inability to stand behind a war effort as the casualty list rises.
as far as debt goes, we are at war. debt is to be expected.
And once again, I'd like to inform you that I have invented a working tiger repellent. PM me if you want to buy some.
"as for casualties, the number still has not exceeded the casualties of 911. while no one likes to see men die, this country is especially scorned abroad because of our inability to stand behind a war effort as the casualty list rises."
The casualty rate for Iraqis is upwards of 15,000, possibly higher than 20,000. The USA casualty rate is where... 2000ish? Anyway, Yeah, I think the way to figure out if this war is a success is to count the number of dead people and then compare that number to those killed in a completely unrelated attack. Because that just makes so much sense!
"as for casualties, the number still has not exceeded the casualties of 911. while no one likes to see men die, this country is especially scorned abroad because of our inability to stand behind a war effort as the casualty list rises."
The casualty rate for Iraqis is upwards of 15,000, possibly higher than 20,000. The USA casualty rate is where... 2000ish? Anyway, Yeah, I think the way to figure out if this war is a success is to count the number of dead people and then compare that number to those killed in a completely unrelated attack. Because that just makes so much sense!
jimmychung
Active member
clinton is the only president that has ever left office with a surplus, every other president has left the country in deeper debt.
By the way, I think you'd be scorned a hell of a lot less abroad if your arrogant leaders could admit their mistakes once in a while... no one cares that some of you don't support the war. In fact, it's sort of redeeming that at least some of you have dissenting attitudes and you're not a country of Klingons. Remember, the VAST majority of the world's population sides with the dissenters. Do you actually think they'll look down on those dissenters for not agreeing with the government? Not everyone on this planet is a blind, flag waving idiot, thank God.
John.
Active member
Exactly man. if you're wrong, FUCKING ADMIT IT. the iraq war is a disaster and it won't get any better, but the bush admin keeps going off about the noble cause of bringing democracy to Iraq. There's no way we'll be out in the next five years because the fucks are too stubborn to admit they are WRONG. just admit you're wrong and get the hell out of there. Every day is another $200 million and hundreds of lives.
freestyler540
Active member
I found this poem that reflects the Vietnam war. This poem can be used in this situation
APO 96225
A young man once went off to war
in a far country
When he had time, he wrote home and
said, "Sure rains here a lot."
But his mother, reading between the lines,
Wrote, "We're quite concerned. Tell us
what it's really like."
And the young man responded, "Wow, you ought to see the funny monkeys!"
To which the mother replied, "Don't
hold back, how is it?"
And the young man wrote, "The sunsets here are spectacular."
In the next letter the mother
wrote, "Son we want you to tell us everything."
So the next time he wrote,
"Today I killed a man.
Yesterday I helped drop naplam on women and children. Tomorrow we are going to use gas."
And the father wrote, "Please don't
write such depressing letters. You're upsetting your mother."
So, after a while, the young man wrote, "Sure rains a lot here..."
By Larry Rottmann (b. 1942)
Think about it people.
APO 96225
A young man once went off to war
in a far country
When he had time, he wrote home and
said, "Sure rains here a lot."
But his mother, reading between the lines,
Wrote, "We're quite concerned. Tell us
what it's really like."
And the young man responded, "Wow, you ought to see the funny monkeys!"
To which the mother replied, "Don't
hold back, how is it?"
And the young man wrote, "The sunsets here are spectacular."
In the next letter the mother
wrote, "Son we want you to tell us everything."
So the next time he wrote,
"Today I killed a man.
Yesterday I helped drop naplam on women and children. Tomorrow we are going to use gas."
And the father wrote, "Please don't
write such depressing letters. You're upsetting your mother."
So, after a while, the young man wrote, "Sure rains a lot here..."
By Larry Rottmann (b. 1942)
Think about it people.
almostaskier
Active member
wait wait... im having a hard time with this...
may i again state that you know NOTHING about me? i just did, so don't answer that.
i did not vote for the guy. im 17. i wouldn't have voted for him, nor kerry.
may i again state that you know NOTHING about me? i just did, so don't answer that.
i did not vote for the guy. im 17. i wouldn't have voted for him, nor kerry.
potatofarmer
Active member
hahahah. cause those arent bias. you fucking tool
grubix2
Active member
You are being an ass. If you're over 18, you need to sign up for the military. Obviously you support what is going on over there more than this kid's poor father. Go sign up, strap up, and get your ass over there.
Have you ever had a recruiter call you? Notice how they never speak of going over seas for combat. "Don't worry about a thing... you only have to participate one weekend a month. You'll be building bridges and packing up supplies for charities. And we pay up to $100,000 for college!"
You don't seem to have a problem with other people going over seas and getting shot at in the name of your beliefs. Maybe you can really support your beliefs and go play in the sandbox... or wouldn't mommy approve?
Have you ever had a recruiter call you? Notice how they never speak of going over seas for combat. "Don't worry about a thing... you only have to participate one weekend a month. You'll be building bridges and packing up supplies for charities. And we pay up to $100,000 for college!"
You don't seem to have a problem with other people going over seas and getting shot at in the name of your beliefs. Maybe you can really support your beliefs and go play in the sandbox... or wouldn't mommy approve?
snowforblood
Active member
hey SRskierSFS, how old are you
williamtell414
Member
good idea; im actually considering applying to west point or the naval academy
EastcoastAR5
Active member
your from fucking stockholm, so you have no reason to down play someones argument about bush.Its our government so you have no right to say "we're sick and tired of hearing about it".
also your names patty...douche bag
also your names patty...douche bag
EastcoastAR5
Active member
wrong, he lost the popular election.
see kids like you think your so goddamn smart and witty.
youre not shut up.
and mark just a note the media is composed of 7 major corporations(known fact not a theory) that are extreamly conservative. hollywood on the other hand is super liberal.
see kids like you think your so goddamn smart and witty.
youre not shut up.
and mark just a note the media is composed of 7 major corporations(known fact not a theory) that are extreamly conservative. hollywood on the other hand is super liberal.
EastcoastAR5
Active member
oh and one final thing. fighting and debating politics is so dumb. im all for it but in the end no one is gonna walk away from the conversation and have a diff. opinion. its like there political beliefs are completely set in stone.
SRskierSFS
Active member
I'm 15