So she's catholic...

People can marry whoever the fuck they want. But if you're falling for someone and you like them, but then you learn that their religion conflicts yours and you break it off, that's retarded. I'm not calling every person affiliated with a religion a moron.

I think intolerant people are not well read, you can debate the whole being intolerant doesn't affect intellectualism, go for it. I think there are other levels to being intelligent than book smart. (Merriam webster says intelligent is synonymous with being "rational.") You can think whatever you want just like I can.

 
Many many people are going to disagree with you. But you're right for sure, if a belief interferes with you're choice of counterpart than you are a straight up moron. No two ways about it, intolerance has no place in today's world.
 
I completely disagree with you, but respect the fact that you are entitled to your own opinion. With that said, being well-read has nothing to do with being intolerant. It may have something to do with ignorance, but intolerance and ignorance are very different things. Ignorance is when you don't know anything about something and therefore refuse to believe it. Intolerance is when you know about something, understand it, but refuse to accept it because it doesn't mesh with your opinions/belief system. not everyone will agree with that treatment of the two words, but I don't care. I'm apathetic towards intolerance because I firmly believe, and will always believe, that people are entitled to think for themselves. Who am I to tell someone what to believe?
 
I think she is saying that they're intolerant because they're ignorant... seeing as if they actually understood that their religion is bullshit they probably wouldnt care if someone is a jew or not...
 
I think you both should get married, convert to mormonism, have 23419 kids, start a show on tlc and make millions.

Hahah, but really a good talk about religion is needed. She where she stands on you being jewish. If she doesn't accept you, then it wasn't meant to be... blah blah blah (you two can still be friends... if you don't act like stupid highschoolers).
 
I don't understand why someone is ignorant if they aren't willing to validate a religion that is different from their own. It's entirely decided by your beliefs. Now, religion isn't the most rational thing in the world, but I understand its appeal and importance to those who follow a religion. If I based my every action in life on my belief system, and if I were that dedicated to my own way of life, I would sure as hell not accept someone else's religion, but I am positive that I would fight for their right to believe in that religion, but that does not mean that I agree with it. Would that make me ignorant?
 
Probably not what you're going to want to hear, and it'll be long, but here goes.

Cliffs: Your best option is probably to end it now before you get any more into her.

Long version:

Christians who read and understand and follow the Bible are more than likely going to look at relationships and marriage and all that is the ultimate representation of how Jesus relates to the Christian Church. I know that seems weird to say, but that is the whole purpose of the endeavor. To be a constant reminder to ourselves and those around us that we believe that there is one God, one Savior, and one way to heaven, in the same way that a successful marriage is one man, one woman, one lifetime.

Quite honestly, if she believes this, she will never understand you fully or the decisions you make, and vice versa. You are two people looking at the world in completely different ways.

You will either not make it, or one of you will end up sacrificing what they believe for the sake of the relationship.

My best friend grew up a decently active Presbyterian and started dating an Easter and Christmas-type Catholic. He never goes to church anymore, has mad amounts of sex with her, and is planning on moving in with her starting this summer.

Without getting into the right or wrong of what he's doing, anybody who knows anything about mainstream Christianity knows that that is not accepted behavior for a practicing Christian.

It's easy for me to say b/c I'm single right now and have never had a big problem controlling my emotions when it comes to what I call "spiritual incompatibility" but trust me when I say that you're probably better off just leaving it alone.

You'll cause her family and friends a lot of grief, or she'll cause your family and friends a lot of grief, because one or both of you will eventually sacrifice something you really believe in for the sake of staying together.
 
Right, that all is certainly true to an extent. But I don't necessarily think that its a lost cause; nobody is talking about marriage. She's 18, and I'm 19..we're both freshmen...nobody is settling down any time soon. I'm more worried that she will feel compelled or pressured to reject me because of a cultural or familial pressure. And since I don't really know/understand irish catholic culture, I need some help with determining what to do (ie. telling her that I'm Jewish) and how to do it (in passing, sit her down and tell her directly, etc).
 
just tell her you ' were chosen for a reason' and then proceed to plow the shit out of her for hours on end. she will then worship you as her god and savior
 
haha this is what i am .. i respect all religions and free pratice .. i just like the whole whenever i feel like it part
 
Just name drop some jewish holiday, and when she inquires about it tell her you're jewish and so was jesus. Or if she says "Nice, INSERT ITEM." Tell her thanks, you got it for Hanukkah (but only if you did).
 
Just name drop some jewish holiday, and when she inquires about it tell her you're jewish and so was jesus. Or if she says "Nice, INSERT ITEM." Tell her thanks, you got it for Hanukkah (but only if you did).
 
It hasn't, and I don't really expect that it will that often; I'm more worried about the cultural implications of a relationship with a Jew from the perspective of an Irish Catholic, and how to best navigate them.
 
He's not an official prophet but all the rabbis I have asked have called Jesus a minor prophet. I could be wrong though, I haven't practiced judaism since a little after my bar mitzvah haha.
 
I'd rather this not degenerate into a religion argument. Consult the Nostra Aetate for the Vatican's position on Judiasm.
 
I don't get what you are saying... Jews, Muslims and Christians worship the same god, they just like to think they're each special. Islam and Christianity both stemmed from Judaism, its the same dude up there... they just have different prophets and whatnot.
 
Christians believe in the Triune God... Jews believe in God (God the Father). Idk, I'm just picky about that.
 
i heard the bible was alright, but my favorite fairy tale would have to be umm....cinderella. Yeah, that's another great fairy tale.
 
Such a Win.

But, he's right. Most Catholics (around here, at least) really don't give two shits what you, or anyone else believes. You have your religion, we have ours. No big deal. And no, I am not a "Easter/Christmas/'Whenever I feel like it' kind of Catholic" either. The truth is, most of us want to run up to the preachy people who whine about abortion, gay rights, evolution or whatever and punt them square in the balls, too. (meaning the overzealous religious nuts) Nobody likes anybody who displays ignorance/a lack of basic reasoning skills/a lack of respect.

Again, this is just based on my experience as a Catholic, in a Catholic family. It may be different elsewhere.

SPARKNOTES:

Don't worry about it, if she's a normal, reasonable person, then religion won't matter.
 
i would say as a member of an irish catholic family that most of us wouldn't care that your a jew for dating but yet again their are super conservative catholics who would. but if your planning on marriage or anything like that your converting. and also with pretty much all harcore catholics you will never get anything beyond a kiss until marriage
 
Hello fellow Jews.
Not religious by any means, nor do I adhere to the Jewish faith, or any faith to that matter.
However! This girl is only worth your time if she can see past your faith and see the good soul in you. So if she doesn't accept the fact that you don't see God or a higher power in the same light as her, then she's really not worth your time. You should be straight up with her about it, and just see how she reacts. Good luck man!
 
i lol'd and then lol'd some more, and then i looked at your icon and i rofl'd a good number. holy lord (no pun intended on thread) thank you for the laugh, it's a nice break from the physics12/calculus12
 
definitely see what youre saying, but im a catholic also. i go to church most sundays, and i don't really give a shit about someone's religion. the only time i get slightly annoyed by that stuff, is when athiests call me dumb for being catholic. otherwise, i don't really give a shit.
 
that sucks man. i know a girl who's jewish, and she's in love with one of her best friends who's a hardcore catholic, and because of that he probably will never think of her in any way besides friends. best of luck in the situation, sorry i couldn't really help
 
catholics: stop trying to get everyone believing the same stuff as youatheists: stop trying to get everyone believing the same stuff as you
thats itand OP: this whole topic seems retarded. go for it an if youre still cool with her, than its ok.

and to other guys here: if my parents would tell me i had to find a catholic girl, i would almost on purpose try to find another one. i dont think parents should control anything in this area. THIS is making a lot of religious people so bad: they think that members of their religion are superior, since they dont think that "others" are worth to enter their family

 
I only read the first page and then skipped to the end because it seemed like it was turning into a religious debate, but heres my advice. If you want to really impress her, and at the same time do exactly what you wanted to do (as in build tolerance of each other's faith), bring up Nostrae Aetate. It's a document, produced by Vatican II (1965), about how Catholicism should view/tolerate/relate to other religions. It's main point is that Catholics can find very solid ground with other religions, without compromising their own beliefs, by simply relating to the similiar beliefs. Here is the section that addresses Judaism,

4. As the Sacred Synod searches into the mystery of the Church, it

remembers the bond that spiritually ties the people of the New

Covenant to Abraham's stock.

Thus the Church of Christ acknowledges that, according to God's

saving design, the beginnings of her faith and her election are found

already among the Patriarchs, Moses and the prophets. She professes

that all who believe in Christ -- Abraham's sons according to faith

(6) -- are included in the same Patriarch's call, and likewise that

the salvation of the Church is mysteriously foreshadowed by the chosen

people's exodus from the land of bondage. The Church, therefore,

cannot forget that she received the revelation of the Old Testament

through the people with whom God in His inexpressible mercy concluded

the Ancient Covenant. Nor can she forget that she draws sustenance

from the root of that well-cultivated olive tree onto which have been

grafted the wild shoots, the Gentiles (7). Indeed, the Church

believes that by His cross Christ Our Peace reconciled Jews and

Gentiles, making both one in Himself (8).

The Church keeps ever in mind the words of the Apostle about his

kinsmen: "There is the sonship and the glory and the covenants and

the law and the worship and the promises; theirs are the fathers and

from them is the Christ according to the flesh" (Rom. 8, 4-5), the Son

of the Virgin Mary. She also recalls that the Apostles, the Church's

main-stay and pillars, as well as most of the early disciples who

proclaimed Christ's Gospel to the world, sprang from the Jewish

people.

As Holy Scripture testifies, Jerusalem did not recognize the time of

her visitation (9), nor did the Jews, in large number, accept the

Gospel; indeed not a few opposed its spreading (10). Nevertheless God

holds the Jews most dear for the sake of their Fathers; He does not

repent of the gifts He makes or of the calls He issues -- such is the

witness of the Apostle (11). In company with the Prophets and the

same Apostle, the Church awaits that day, known to God alone, on which

all peoples will address the Lord in a single voice and "serve him

shoulder to shoulder" (Soph. 3, 9) (12).

Since the spiritual patrimony common to Christians and Jews is thus

so great, this Sacred Synod wants to foster and recommend that mutual

understanding and respect which is the fruit, above all, of biblical

and theological studies as well as fraternal dialogues.

True, the Jewish authorities and those who followed their lead

pressed for the death of Christ (13); still, what happened in His

passion cannot be charged against all the Jews, without distinction,

then alive, nor against the Jews of today. Although the Church is the

new People of God, the Jews should not be presented as rejected or

accursed by God, as if this followed from the Holy Scriptures. All

should see to it, then, that in catechetical work or in the preaching

of the Word of God they do not teach anything that does not conform to

the truth of the Gospel and the spirit of Christ.

Furthermore, in her rejection of every persecution against any man,

the Church, mindful of the patrimony she shares with the Jews and

moved not by political reasons but by the Gospel's spiritual love,

decries hatred, persecutions, displays of anti-Semitism, directed

against Jews at any time and by anyone.

Besides, as the Church has always held and holds now, Christ

underwent His passion and death freely, because of the sins of men and

out of infinite love, in order that all may reach salvation. It is,

therefore, the burden of the Church's preaching to proclaim the cross

of Christ as the sign of God's all-embracing love and as the fountain

from which every grace flows.

I hope that helps, and should really, really, really impress her. You should google the document, it's not very long, and if you just read like the introduction and the section on Judaism which I posted above, it should really help you out with addressing her in this situation. Best of luck.

 
I had done this a few posts back when it was getting close to becoming a religious debate. Thanks for going to the effort of bringing it to my attention, though.

And in general, I've been really impressed by all yall's maturity in this thread. I'm pretty confident in how I'm going to handle the matter with her, and I'll be sure to get back to yall with how it does (or doesn't) work out.
 
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