So I just finished watching The Da Vinci Code.

Black-Bandanna

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I felt that they did a pretty good job of following the books storyline. A few things were left out, like all movies modeled after books, but overall it was well done.

I am a huge fan of this story, so I might be being a little optomistic; don't let me sway your opinion.

This story, although fiction, inspires us to think beyond the boundary of society and religion.

What's your take on the whole idea of church cover ups, a holy blood line, and such?

I find it intriguing...
 
it's very intriguing, i loved the book, even as a devout Christian. but i don't believe the church is covering anything up. i'm not catholic, so i'm not trying to defend the church, but that's a stretch to think that they are covering something like that up. and yeah, the ending of the movie wasn't as good as the book, alot different. but it was still a great movie.
 
while i was watching the movie i was thinking that there may have been parts that would be very confusing if i hadn't read the book but maybe that's just me.
 
i didnt like the book compared to angels and demons. angels and demons was the best book i have ever read. i finished it in 4 days. i cant tell you how much i loved it. it really got me thinking about everything tho, i often questioned reliogion, because points he brings up are not only contraversal, but also persuasive. i mean think about how religion explains one thing that sciece cant.doesnt that make you wonder? ah but i love this book and if you havent read it yet... READ IT! it also has rober langdon as the main character. another cool thing is that i went to italy 2 months after i finihsded it and got to see all the places in the book. even the vatican?!?!
 
Yeah, I definitly agree. I watched it with my Dad, who had not read the book, and I had to on numerous occasions explain things that had happpened, and tie up loose ends.
 
If you don't know this already, they're starting production of Angels and Demons. I don't know when it's due to come out though...
 
I agree, although I thought both of them (especially Davinci Code) were both an attempt at seeming very intellectual and deep, but were missing the actual depth of story. Good books, but not as well done as I had hoped.
 
yeah it would be difficult to understand all of the coincidences, why sophie was called and all that. just a lot of stuff that only a book has time to say.
 
I would imagine that it was extremely hard to balance depth of story and depth of material though. But to be fair, I can understand what you are saying.
 
the church is shifty as shit.. maybe not anymore, but they wer back in those days.. like you telling burning the knights templar grand masters at the steak is not abit sketchy.. if they do that in public the lord knows what they do in private
 
I think it is an excellent story, and quite well written, but there are plenty of mistakes. Well according to my english teacher who got his Phd in theology. ;) Definately brilliant how he brought some things together, but to believe it may be a true story is really really dumb. And is the ultimate in tin-foil hat theories.
 
Dan Brown writes some kick-ass books, but I just read them as "junk" books purely for entertainment. Nobody in here really is, but I don't understand people who get so worked up over it. It's a fucking book. It's just for fun. people need to chill out
 
I didn't see the movie, but I thought the book was garbage. Entertaining garbage, but garbage none the less. He's a terrible writer, but the story was grippy. I don't understand the hysteria about it though.
 
I fell asleep watching the movie the first time. I read the book, and I found it to be a lot more entertaining than the movie.
 
The book was good.

The movie was terrible.

Angels & Demons (the book, obviously) was better than The DaVinci Code (the book).
 
Christ guys, you can't be serious. That movie was absoulute garbage. The entire film (and book for that matter) was the biggest collection of non-sensical heuristic assesments ive ever seen. Every ounce of plot development was so loosly constructed that was like watching a 50 year old hooker break the 100,000 John record. Whats worse, Holywood has so little fait in its viewer that every conceptual step forward was imediatly followed by "WAIT...so you're saying...!". The movie was slow, stuipd, and a complete waste of money...not to mention it filled your heads with silly thoughts about religion. Go watch a real movie, read a real book, see some real art, i dont know...just do something a little more constructive than zone out to Dan Brown for fucks sake.
 
I felt stupid after reading the book in just over 2 hours.

But then I watched the movie, and whatever brain cells I had left evaporated into a mess of nothing.

Both were a waste of time, and one was a waste of print publishing.
 
^ Yes. People who are saying this is well written have no clue whatsoever.

I actually think that this might be the worst book ever published. It's seriously that bad. I couldn't finish it. I mentioned that to one of my profs (new critical historicism fanatic, so she's all about prose quality), and she said she couldn't get past page 6. That's like walking out of a movie after the first twelve seconds.

It's just absolutely terrible.
 
Essentially, yes.

JD and I like to quote lines from the movie on the gondola ride up too, after sparking up the crack pipes. Mmmm mmm crack and Davinci Code lines..mmmm mmm good.
 
i found the movie kind of lame and boring. but meh i wasnt really paying that close of attention to it.
 
dude i love all of this stuff. which is why i am majoring in history and minoring in something to do with religion or archeology, i love this type of shit. this is my favorite movie and book. people bitch about it but i feel it brings up a good point and that we should really think out side of the box. i could see something happening like that...
 
the hysteria is that millions of people who dont usually read books found a something so full of gimmicks and predictable devices that they could finish it.... and they went hysterical.
 
So I remember after reading it for a few days I thought it would be so cool to fidn all those secret societies, then I realized I really don't care, and it's just a fictitious book with interesting facts and action that makes it a page-turner. Dan Brown is a genius for concocting such a combination of elements to make this perfect page turner (for most, not all people, I'm sure some people find it horrible) and he gets the reader interested in his other books. Good job Dan Brown you rich man!
 
i read the book and watched the movie, not saying i believe it but i like that kinda suspense story.. makes you think
 
I loved the book. but wasnt a hufe fan of the movie. not saying that the movie wasnt good. i just thought the book was much better
 
no fucking kidding Dan Brown is a hack author every one of his books is the same shit. I do give him props for research but after that he just writes the same story with different characters.

Also I could care less if the church is covering something up. The catholic church is probably the most corrupt origination on the face of this planet and already score a zero on my chart so fuck them, fuck religion in general, and fuck Dan Brown.

 
I think that some thing like this could very well be true. But i dont think that the Priory of Scion(sp) is real..at least not that extreme.
 
Here's why it's NOT real, and why his "research" (note quotation marks) is every bit as shitty and worthless as his prose. A post I made almost a year ago to the day...

Why Dan Brown is Wrong

1. He makes the claim that the canonical gospels are not the earliest gospels. He claims that suppressed Gnostic gospels are the earliest written gospels and the canonical gospels were selected from among 80 other gospels. Firstly, there were only less than half of that many books written about Jesus' life. Second, the two Gnostic gospels Brown relies on weren't written until the 2nd c. A.D., after the New Testament.

2. He claims that the Dead Sea Scrolls were discovered in the 1950’s. No, they were discovered in 1947.

3. Claims that the Dead Sea Scrolls and the Gnostic texts found at Nag Hammadi are the earliest Christian Records. In fact the dead sea scrolls are JEWISH documents that don't mention Jesus.

4. Claims that Jesus Christ never claimed to be divine and was never worshipped as a deity until the Council of Nicea in 325 A.D. He's called "God" and "Lord" in the new testament several times, which is before 325...

6. He claims that Jesus was married to Mary Magdalene. Brown uses a quote from a Gnostic gospel that says Jesus was the "companion" of Mary Magdalene, which he says really means spouse because that's what the word means in Aramaic. Slight problem. the document he's citing was written in Coptic. Not Aramaic.

7. Brown calls it "Fact" that a group called the "Priory of Sion" exists and there are documents to support it in the National Library. Unfortunately these documents were long ago recognized as forgeries put in place by an anti-semitic supporter of the Vichy regime.

8. Claims that John in the Last Supper is Mary Magdalene. In fact his affeminate depiction was typical of the period (ask an art historian). The "omg it looks like an M!" thing is just plain silly.

9. Claim that the Merovingians founded Paris... What? No, no they didn't. Thanks for coming out, Dan.

10. All those claims about Cathedrals, masterminded by the Knights Templar, representing parts of the female body. Don't even know where to start here... first of all, the description he offers doesn't really have anything to do with actual Gothic architecture. Usually Gothic churches have 3 main entrances on the west side, plus three more on the north and south. Explain that one in anatomical terms, please. Also the long rectangular nave was a translation of earlier Romanesque styles. Secondly, the Templars had nothing to with cathedrals, which were commissioned by Bishops.

11. Claim that "Jehovah" is a combination of "Jah", the masculine, and "Havah", the pre-Hebraic name for eve. Except that's wrong, again; "Jehovah" is a 16th century rendering of "Yahweh" using the vowels of Adonai.

12. Claims about Da Vinci. These are the worst, to me. The idea that the Mona Lisa is a self-portrait... what is he thinking, it's widely known that it's of a real woman, Lisa, the wife of an Italian named Giocondo. He says that the lack of grail in the "Last Supper" is meant to show that the grail isn't material, but the painting is about betrayal and not the Eucharist, and is based on St John's gospel... The institution narrative is in the gospel of Luke. His confusions about what actually goes on IN the painting are result of another error: he says it's a fresco. If it were, we'd have a clearer picture of what's going on in it, but it isn't. It's this weird idea Da Vinci had that didn't work out quite so well called a "Tempera", which led to whole pieces of paint to fall off the wall. The painting we have now is the result of a 2-decade-long attempt to re-create the original, and there's a lot of debate about whether the restorers "got it wrong".

Finally, the "Disembodied hand with the dagger". No, sorry. First of all, it's a knife, not a dagger. A dagger would have a thin blade with a sharp end for stabbing. This has a single edge and is clearly for cutting food. Secondly, the arm isn't "disembodied"; there are 6 disciples to Jesus' right in the painting, and a total of 12 arms and 12 hands. The knife is in the right hand of Peter. There's an entire book on this called the "Study for the Right Arm of Peter" in a private collection in England. Brown is just plain wrong.

There are dozens of others. Read up!

http://www.irr.org/da-vinci-code.html
 
No. But apparently some people do. Read this thread. Not to mention the thousands and thousands of idiots wandering around who call this piece of crap a "Historical fiction"... there's nothing fucking historical about it, it's about as historically accurate as a history of the holocaust written by Hitler youth.
 
i saw the movie before i read the book, and i think the movie did a good job... but it did leave out a lot of details.

after thinking about it, it could all be possible, which is extrememley crazy
 
It can't entirely be ruled out that Jesus didn't have a wife. There is no way a a young man could go around preaching in the Galilee and be respected without having a wife. He would've been viewed as crazy and/or gay. But if you believe Dan Brown's claim... you're an idiot.

But tell me something JD? What defines a "good prose writer"? Apparently not selling millions of copies and the rights to make a motion picture. It's like a painter smearing some paint blots and calling it art. Art to some garbage to others.

 
Where to even start with that comment. Look, I'm not here to teach philosophy, much less to people who haven't had a chance to read the right articles. Take an aesthetics course and you'll realize why what you just said was incredibly ignorant.

As for what makes a good prose writer? Read Wilkie Collins. Or most of Dickens. It's the best way to understand. You could try to go through clinical descriptions of all the things a "good writer" can do with language to affect or conscript the reader, but the best way to recognize good writing is to read a whole bunch of it. And almost nothing on the NY times bestseller's list qualifies. But at least Robert Jordan doesn't take himself seriously...

PS - Paris Hilton has sold millions of albums (if I'm wrong about that, substitute her gal pal Britney). This does not make her a great musician. It certainly does not make her a better one than someone who has sold fewer; say, Leonard Cohen. Nor does making a motion picture... Harry Potter books are largely garbage, and they've made four motion pictures. But if there's a movie adaptation of Middlemarch, I sure as hell haven't seen it.
 
I just checked out of curiosity and indeed there is no movie of Middlemarch. There is however a BBC miniseries. Makes sense.
 
jesus christ had dreds so shake em

i aint got none but im plannin on growin some

imagine all the hebrews dancin on top of chariots turning tight ones
 
all i have to say is that we learned about that painting in art, and it actually is possible that it was Leonardo.. my teacher had a painting of Leonardo and a painting of the Mona Lisa, and showed us the similarities, and they were astonishing.

so your statement isn't correct
 
Oh don't get me wrong. The Templars really did exist and that type of stuff, but what he claims they did and all the conspiracies and what not are fiction. It is a fiction book.
 
To JD,

Maybe I'm wrong but wouldn't the term historical FICTION mean that it is not real about the past? In which case you don't need to point out the historical inaccuracies, because its FICTION.

Ive always been skeptical of the church and what they have and have not covered up, while I do not beleive this to be true I do beleive the church has done things in the past that are less than admirable.
 
the guy who wrote the book has got to be the worst writer ever, he's got a good storyline but he can't write to save his life, terrible. i've read better dialogue written by my 12 year old bro.
 
Dude that's probably one of the most ignorant fucking things i've ever heard. The catholic church is probably the most corrupt organization on the fac of the planet? I really hope you just really overexaggarating. Yes, they have their problems, but you can't deny the huge amount of good they do.
 
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