So... am I the only one who's not stoked on Obama anymore?

actually he tried to go after bin laden, he tripled the anti terror budget, but he failed to act again due to concern over faulty intelligence, and the fact that he was concerned that further failed attacks on the middle east would destroy americas perception in the region, something bush clearly didnt give a shit about.

from the washington post article

"recent news reports have detailed numerous other instances,

as late as December 2000, when Clinton was on the verge of unleashing the

military again. In each case, the White House chose not to act because of

uncertainty that intelligence was good enough to find bin Laden, and concern

that a failed attack would only enhance his stature in the Arab world. "

From a fox interview with Clinton

"At least I tried," Clinton says now. "That's the difference [between] me and some, including all of the right-wingers who are attacking me now. They ridiculed me for trying. They had eight months to try. They did not try. I tried. So I tried and failed. When I failed, I left a comprehensive anti-terror strategy and the best guy in the country, [Richard] Clarke, who got demoted." -- Former President Bill Clinton

the fact of the matter is, it happened on Bushs watch, so please, stop acting like he kept us safe, and then when i point out he didnt, playing the blame game.
 
not trying to be a bitch... :) but it is actually possible to cut taxes while running deficits and then grow your way back to a balanced budget... (ie more people paying more in taxes, increased revenues)

take for example what happened when Bush cut the cap gains tax rate, the government actually took in MORE money...

i know we agree to disagree ben. haha

i also believe that raising taxes will be one final knife in the heart of our economy if Obama follows through.
 
Well well well

Looks like a bunch of people who were originally talking shit about Ron Paul earlier in the election now are not stoked on Obama. Yea, too bad you didnt listen and had to hop on the "OMFG RON PAUL IS AN IDIOT!!11" bandwagon. Hopefully he runs in 2012 and gets this idiot out of the whitehouse.
 
it works in some instances, but overall, bush was certainly not a fiscal genius, i know we agree there.
 
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I personally think every person in the country should be forced to read this book.
 
I really don't mean to offend anyone, but it seems like for every person who made a serious, informed decision to vote for Obama based on real issues, background, experience, etc., there were at least 10 who were caught up in the wave of stylish advertising and the definite, official end of racism in America if a black guy were elected president. Politicians are all pretty much the same, so I never had high expectations from him. So far, all I can say is, I'm not too shocked.
 
I think your estimation of the ratio is grossly over stated, BUT, I do agree with your overall sentiment; that being that most voters don't have the slightest idea as to why they actually vote the way they do.
What is true, is that Obama's campaign was incredibly successful in convincing a historically apathetic and uninvolved demo to vote. That's a good thing.
Whether you like the result or not, in a democracy, the more people that are engaged and invested, the better. Also, ALL young people should be thrilled with the 2008 election. The huge youth turnout will almost undoubtedly reshape the way in which campaigns are run, and most importantly, it will force politicians to begin to pander to young people. For far too long, the most powerful lobby in this country has been fucking Old People. Politicians literally fellate old people. Why? Because they vote, and they contribute money. Why do you think we've yet to see any real Social Security reform? Because to deny old people money, is to commit political suicide....nevermind the fact that it's bankrupting the country...I digress.

What I don't get—and this is not aimed at you specifically, but rather everyone who seems to constantly reference this "phenomenon"—is why people seem to think this ("this" meaning uninformed dummies decided an election) was NEW in the 2008 election.
Newsflash: Generally speaking, the electorate is largely uninformed about "their" candidate's policies, position on most issues, voting records, and all other tangible/objective criteria that would suggest his or her's relative qualification to hold office. Truthfully, to collect information about prospective candidates in order to make a truly responsible choice come Tuesday, is a LOT of work. What this means is that the overwhelming majority of people who show up come November tend to cast their votes on the basis of superficial nonsense, or on the strength of one or two issues—tops. In this case, the "superficial nonsense" happened to be some powerful rhetoric about "change" and that he, at least superficially, represented about as much a sharp contrast to Bush as imaginable.
To suggest that the "quality" of the voting majority that saw to Obama's victory is somehow inferior to any other previous majority—and thus the result is somehow invalid—is just stupid.
 
please for the love of god, stop with this crap. it goes both ways. just the same, for every one person that voted for mccain that actually knew the issues, there were ten that voted for him because he was white, or because they thought barack was a terrorist, or a muslim. most of the voting population is stupid, its been covered a million times.
 
i heard you guys are trying to cut off their salaries until they start actually doing something? idk i remember hannity interviewing some guy the other day.
 
^^^ThisWe all think we know enough to participate in this but in reality we don't have much of a clue at all, unless you're some major in political sciences or something, then you could post here
 
Everyone should watch the Fox interview its on Youtube Clinton looks like the man. I have always hated Obama and i will quote the great Mike Huckabee, "I am not a Republican because i grew up rich, I am a Republican because I didnt want to spend the rest of my life poor waiting for the government to save me."
 
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