yea i was originally thinkin of the second one, some kids idk who built up a kicker to it although it doesnt look like they made it very well since theres about a 1 foot gap inbetween the kicker and the rail and its pretty steep...there looks like there is a possible urban off of 16 inbetween otown and hartland at some chuch/school type place has a rail that i might wanna hit...it will require a drop in though and i dont have one built yet