orage is sick, sure, so is saga (if you get it), same with ldc. but to be honest im wary of the small companies thanks to all teh problems they have, and orage is definitely not cheap. i can by a ronin suit from a year or two ago brand new, for half the cost. it looks sick, and is awesome quality. i dont care if its not going to help skiers. if they want me to buy skier made stuff, make stuff i want to buy and can afford.