Skis not holding wax / base burn

Hawleywood

Hawleywood

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I'm having trouble getting my wax to last.. Amazing if I get one day without going grayish along my edges, worse close to my bindings and I start to stick on the boxes. I've been doing hot scrape with Toko yellow and then finish with Toko red. Skis are new this year shop did first wax and first wax I did I used base cleaner instead of hot scrape.. Any suggestions as why this is happening??? Could it be the icy man made conditions? Is there a good base prep wax I should use? Wax brands?
 
Use a harder and colder temperature wax. If you are skiing a lot of refrozen mad made snow you are going to want a harder wax, regardless of the ambient temperature. Especially get as much of that Yellow out after your hot scrape, lots of brushing. Man made snow, snow that has refrozen multiple times, and snow that has been turned over by a groomer will always be more abrasive regardless of temperature.
 
13652213:traverse said:
Use a harder and colder temperature wax. If you are skiing a lot of refrozen mad made snow you are going to want a harder wax, regardless of the ambient temperature. Especially get as much of that Yellow out after your hot scrape, lots of brushing. Man made snow, snow that has refrozen multiple times, and snow that has been turned over by a groomer will always be more abrasive regardless of temperature.
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Ok thanks I will try that. I should get a steel brush too (been using nylon and horsehair). So maybe black Toko for base and blue finish?
 
13652214:veetuskag said:
There is really nothing that you can do. Extruded bases suck because they dont hold wax at all.
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Yeah I'm finding that out... They're K2 miss conducts. Had good reviews and my first park skis. Love how they feel when they still have wax but nothing to compare with. Next time I'll just look at boys skis. Need em short for my shortness.
 
13652250:CoombFatal said:
Ok thanks I will try that. I should get a steel brush too (been using nylon and horsehair). So maybe black Toko for base and blue finish?
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You don't need to do a cleaning hot wax every time, only when the bases are really dirty. Don't use a steel brush (to stiff) Brass brush is perfect for removing a cleaning wax, but always finish with nylon. There is a technique that some snowboarders use where they put a very hard wax near the edges and a softer wax in the center. I have tried this but cant say for sure if its effective on skis. Try the Toko Blue or I have had very good luck with Purl purple, it tends to be a little bit of a harder wax than swix or toko and holds up well in abrasive snow. Always remember the harder (abrasive) the snow crystals the harder the wax you should use, especially when dealing with man made snow that has been refrozen and tilled (groomed)

Extruded bases do hold wax, just not as well as sintered, don't do a hot scrape unless you absolutely have to and use harder waxes. Good luck
 
13652283:traverse said:
You don't need to do a cleaning hot wax every time, only when the bases are really dirty. Don't use a steel brush (to stiff) Brass brush is perfect for removing a cleaning wax, but always finish with nylon. There is a technique that some snowboarders use where they put a very hard wax near the edges and a softer wax in the center. I have tried this but cant say for sure if its effective on skis. Try the Toko Blue or I have had very good luck with Purl purple, it tends to be a little bit of a harder wax than swix or toko and holds up well in abrasive snow. Always remember the harder (abrasive) the snow crystals the harder the wax you should use, especially when dealing with man made snow that has been refrozen and tilled (groomed)

Extruded bases do hold wax, just not as well as sintered, don't do a hot scrape unless you absolutely have to and use harder waxes. Good luck
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Thanks for the tips! I will try the purple and do a clean wax this time to get rid of any yellow. That could work but the two waxes might end up mixing right?
 
This happens to my b dogs. I have to hot wax them daily or carry around a block of rub on. My volkl walls are able to hold wax for like 2 months before they get a little dry.
 
Do people really wax skis when they ride park?? I've rode skis 300+ days never waxed them and i don't have any problems!
 
13652423:Dsteeeezy said:
Do people really wax skis when they ride park?? I've rode skis 300+ days never waxed them and i don't have any problems!
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you probably go slow as fuck my friend. I hate going slow because of no wax it sucks
 
13652355:THE_SWITCH said:
This happens to my b dogs. I have to hot wax them daily or carry around a block of rub on. My volkl walls are able to hold wax for like 2 months before they get a little dry.
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Yeah I carry some paste. Just want a nice ride that lasts 2 weeks instead of one day.
 
If your base gets severely burnt you will need to get a base grind to take it off also getting your base stone structured will help with speed and base burn.

There's not really a lot you can do to help wax retention on extruded bases and its why you should pay the extra for skis with decent sintered bases. if you buy cheap sintered based skis it will be like cheese but good quality sintered p-tex is more dense and will take abuse better.
 
I have this problem with my volkl ledges. I cant tell if they are sintered or not but when skiing on man made snow, the bases turn white in 5-10 runs. I use an all temperature wax but its too soft for the abrasive man made snow. When we got some natural snow, i could go over a week without waxing and still have full color in my base. Leaving the wax on the ski overnight helps and also heating up your ski with a hairdryer before waxing is good too because it opens up the pores. Then sometimes I will leave the ski on front of a fireplace so its like a hotbox. Racers use hotboxes to get the wax in their bases even further and a fireplace does the job. If none of this works then just ski and dont worry about your equipment. Skiing is about fun and good vibes not who has the shiniest gear or who can go the absolute fastest.
 
13652653:The.Fish said:
I have this problem with my volkl ledges. I cant tell if they are sintered or not but when skiing on man made snow, the bases turn white in 5-10 runs. I use an all temperature wax but its too soft for the abrasive man made snow. When we got some natural snow, i could go over a week without waxing and still have full color in my base. Leaving the wax on the ski overnight helps and also heating up your ski with a hairdryer before waxing is good too because it opens up the pores. Then sometimes I will leave the ski on front of a fireplace so its like a hotbox. Racers use hotboxes to get the wax in their bases even further and a fireplace does the job. If none of this works then just ski and dont worry about your equipment. Skiing is about fun and good vibes not who has the shiniest gear or who can go the absolute fastest.
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Ive been skiing some pretty harsh man made so for sure part of it. Not just about the speed for me it's about the play. Need good slide on the boxes at least until I get better. I notice a big difference with the state of my bases. Also like to spin 360s on the flats so again feels better with a good wax.
 
13652674:CoombFatal said:
Ive been skiing some pretty harsh man made so for sure part of it. Not just about the speed for me it's about the play. Need good slide on the boxes at least until I get better. I notice a big difference with the state of my bases. Also like to spin 360s on the flats so again feels better with a good wax.
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Boxes being sticky is the box's fault not ur skis.
 
When you are waxing you skis make sure they are atleast room temperature it helps open the pores on your base so the wax Absorbs into the base more
 
13652423:Dsteeeezy said:
Do people really wax skis when they ride park?? I've rode skis 300+ days never waxed them and i don't have any problems!
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yes. it wouldn't hurt to go drop into a ski shop and get your skis waxed. Your bases are definitely really dry and really slow by now
 
Could it be the icy man made conditions? Is there a good base prep wax I should use? Wax brands?[/QUOTE]

Get the hardest wax you can find if your skiing on man made ice. Typically wax is used to combat excess water in the snow, but in your case there is not enough. Ice will burn the crap out of your bases if you are not using hard enough wax.

So, if you prefer toko, get Blue.

But... We are also known for having a kickass all temp wax that combats the east coast crud. 100% money back guarantee if you don't dig it. www.boardsidedown.com

Also, do not use base cleaner a lot, get a brass brush for pre-wax brushing. If your bases are really dried out, you may want to get a base grind. You only need to do this if they seem like they are never holding wax no matter what you do.

PM me if you have any other questions.
 
base cleaner can cause your bases to dry out and resist wax. combine this with icy conditions and extruded bases and theres your problem. try to take a brush and water and scrub your bases before waxing them. then dont scrape off the wax for 24 hours allowing it to soak in. finally use cork or something to push the wax father into the core of the skis. If that dosent work maybe try a base grind. ski bases are like skin full of little pores sometimes they can get clogged or other things like that
 
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