Only real ski pants I have worn are North Face, i don't know what they are called. They say Hyvent on them. They are pretty good, decent waterproofing and pretty durable, but cuffs are shredded from ski edges and rails. they are black. I would check out Avalaan, Aeryx, helly Hansen, Burton, 686, Orage as well those are the only brands I can think of at the moment.