Ski Durability PSA

14524700:Newsheepers said:
lmao why'd you buy them knowing you're gonna break them
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To be fair they did come in the forums and say the LTC skis were just the new chronics which they had “improved the durability” and construction of lmfao
 
topic:hi_vis360 said:
Skis that are mass produced in a large factory will have slightly worse quality control than handmade skis, so the potential for defects is higher.
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stoekli has a crazy q/a procedure. Im pretty sure they make well over 100 pair/day.

Honestly i would argue the opposite:

-the bigger companies (that havent outsourced their manufacturing) actually have money to invest in automated equipment that actually processes materials much more consistently than processing done by "hand and eye". hand and eye could be more accurate depending on instrumentation and measuring practices. Ive never seen better edge fitment than i have on wagner skis.

"there are only two edge manufacturers..."

even if so, CDW offers so many different edges. you can get different shapes of tines, thicknesses, widths, rake angles, different compositions of steel. all of these change the skis durability on rails. one brand to another could use VERY different edges.

check out this brochure.https://www.dropbox.com/s/iui9spzx6kd3hk3/CDW EDGE - brochure.pdf?dl=0

IMO when people (including myself) complain about durability, i think they are more complaining about material quality than craftsmanship.
 
14524663:hi_vis360 said:
This is exactly my point, making black and white assumptions on durability based on brand or even what factory they are made in is often futile. And despite what many people have been reporting on the blue jets, I saw some homies riding them earlier this season and it looked like they were holding up fine. I’ve also seen pics of gen 1 and 2 jets with full letters missing from the base. For every story about good durability, you can usually find someone who will say the opposite. Seen dudes call out on3p for having binding pull out issues. Saw a whole thread calling out moment for having shitty bases (which are the same material as on3p apparently). I’m not saying durability doesn’t exist as a concept, it’s just a lot more of a mixed bag than people make it out to be and everybody’s individual experience can vary a huge amount depending on where and how they ski.
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Nitpicking, but Moment switched over to Isospeed 7500 series, but they have used Durasurf 4001 in the past (Which is what ON3P still uses, albeit a thicker 1.8mm version). I know someone from Moment was on here a few weeks ago saying the Isospeed is better but tbh they're both are pretty much the top of the line sintered base from the two largest manufacturers, so to say either is crappy is just plain wrong
 
14524738:IsaacNW82 said:
Nitpicking, but Moment switched over to Isospeed 7500 series, but they have used Durasurf 4001 in the past (Which is what ON3P still uses, albeit a thicker 1.8mm version). I know someone from Moment was on here a few weeks ago saying the Isospeed is better but tbh they're both are pretty much the top of the line sintered base from the two largest manufacturers, so to say either is crappy is just plain wrong
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Interesting, I was under the impression that Moment was still using Durasurf. Thanks for the info.

I'm no expert on base material but anyone who denies that ON3P's green bases are unbelievably durable is smoking crack
 
Wasn’t moment using a 1.3mm or 1.5mm Durasurf 4001 prior to isospeed?

Ive got Durasurf 4001 on some skis from a smaller brand. Got a core shot my first week having them lmao

14524738:IsaacNW82 said:
Nitpicking, but Moment switched over to Isospeed 7500 series, but they have used Durasurf 4001 in the past (Which is what ON3P still uses, albeit a thicker 1.8mm version). I know someone from Moment was on here a few weeks ago saying the Isospeed is better but tbh they're both are pretty much the top of the line sintered base from the two largest manufacturers, so to say either is crappy is just plain wrong
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14524726:ajbski said:
stoekli has a crazy q/a procedure. Im pretty sure they make well over 100 pair/day.

Honestly i would argue the opposite:

-the bigger companies (that havent outsourced their manufacturing) actually have money to invest in automated equipment that actually processes materials much more consistently than processing done by "hand and eye". hand and eye could be more accurate depending on instrumentation and measuring practices. Ive never seen better edge fitment than i have on wagner skis.

"there are only two edge manufacturers..."

even if so, CDW offers so many different edges. you can get different shapes of tines, thicknesses, widths, rake angles, different compositions of steel. all of these change the skis durability on rails. one brand to another could use VERY different edges.

check out this brochure.https://www.dropbox.com/s/iui9spzx6kd3hk3/CDW EDGE - brochure.pdf?dl=0

IMO when people (including myself) complain about durability, i think they are more complaining about material quality than craftsmanship.
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When I said “handmade” I was trying to distinguish between brands that outsource production vs brands that make their own skis. And I totally agree, big companies have the resources to get the best materials and equipment to build skis, but the question is will they do it? Seems like sometimes yes, sometimes no.
 
14524815:AlmostCooler said:
Interested in seeing any convo on that if you've got a link. That's how I blew up my pair
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It was a thread from a while ago there is no way I will be able to find it, but the theory is that the bamboo core doesn’t hold screws in as well as other types of wood. I love how the full bamboo core skis though
 
14524663:hi_vis360 said:
looked like they were holding up fine.
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they hold up fine until they snap lol. I hate to sound like a broken record but if you don’t snap those skis if ur riding them you prolly ain’t riding hard enough. That’s how fragile they are.

and as for the base issue I guarantee you we will see more of those Letters coming out sooner or later… just how it is with die cuts. Only a matter of time and BAM them shits fall out so easily. Same thing with Icelantics planks.
 
14524815:AlmostCooler said:
Interested in seeing any convo on that if you've got a link. That's how I blew up my pair
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i had a pair mounted a while ago that I ended up never even skiing cause my previous pair was the same ski, so I took the bindings off myself, no joke could unscrew them with one hand with little resistance.

yes they were mounted properly
 
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