toastyteenagers
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" all mountain performance, espeically in the park"
Ski Company Cliches
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UFOsarereal
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13249249:RudyGarmisch said:
quoting for emphasis
Nickherzig
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"Park does amazing on jumps and rails but slays the pow like any other powder ski!"
Alexzastre
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What real pisses me off is lines whole "the afterbangs built like a skateboard, therefore its super durable" bullshit. Ask ANYONE who skates how often they buy a new deck. For most run of the mill skaters its probably once every one or two months sometime three but rarely more. For really hardcore skaters they'll need a new deck every 4weeks easy. Idk why people buy into this whole "afterbangs are like a skateboard" but I really wish someone would just end the afterbang cuz its a shit ski and I've literally never heard of someone have a pair lasting more then 1/2 a season
phyz
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13248750:skisocks said:"hold up on 70 ft boots and are super buttery"
"indestructable"
"carbon ollie band"
"bomb proof"
"indestructable
"and because it’s torsionally softer, you can actually move on the ski tip without it catching" - engineer
"so no more slipping out when you’re rolling in to big butters or quick carves" - max hill
sorry guys, these are totally contradictory statements
haggis_hunter
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13249344:jellomellow said:
Bitch please I've ridden chest deep pow on my GS skis with a 67mm waist and it was doable (ok it wasn't ideal) but fuck it /claim.
13249357:toastyteenagers said:
I fell for this once, fuck you Liberty. Now I have an extensive quiver.
13249555:Nate.Dog said:
Or in Armadas case as they get Atomic to make their skis and can't use the same names Atomic came up with for their tech.
death_grips
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"X technology is going to REVOLUTIONISE skiing"
Pmoore
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Shout out to Iggy Skier for dropping knowledge. Came in here to say just that. Also most of the companies he mentioned in his post ON3P Kitten Factory etc, companies who build each ski by hand at their own factory usually do a good job of telling people what is actually in their skis which means the cliches from above can be verified. In my findings most product videos are useless, because no one wants to hear some just rattle of specs of a ski. IMO
DANIELMORTENSEN
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"This ski is super forgiving"
13249983:K-Dot. said:
We've tested both considerably, and it makes quite a big difference. Where it really helps is it gives you considerably more edge material to remove before edges start to form cracks, and gives the edge more strength to absorb impacts.
Think of it this way. You are essentially comparing the thickness of the edge that corresponds to base thickness. Once you wear through that thickness and reach the edge teeth (generally the upper 0.7mm of the edge) the edges are in really bad shape.
So with a standard edge, the thickness is 1.3mm. With our edges, the thickness is 1.8mm. So with the thicker edge, you have 38.5% more material to work through before you completely wear through the edge to the edge teeth, which adds a lot of life to park skis.
The other aspect not discussed here is that the thick bases also decrease the chance of core shots, again, because you have 38.5% more material protecting the ski. We very rarely see core shots (also helped by using 4001 grade race bases), further adding to the ski's durability.
mr.society
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"I can get you a great deal on these"
gnarballsianm
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"ski for everything"
"designed by (insert skier name here) for their and your pleasure"
"designed by (insert skier name here) for their and your pleasure"
03gade
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13249040:iggyskier said:Most companies who say they use extra thick edges are using the same standard edge thickness seen in most brands across the industry (making the statement the same marketing BS featured throughout this thread). That standard edge corresponds to base that is generally about 1.2mm to 1.3mm thick. In almost all cases, the thickness never goes over that (and is often times is thinner). So a lot of times when you see companies talk about their 1.8mm or 2.2mm or 2.5mm thick edges, they number they are putting out is the edge width, not the edge thickness (which is rarely included), which remains the standard thickness as it related to a 1.3mm thick base. While a wider edge is going to provide a bit more durability than a thinner edge as it pertains to real use, it doesn't increase the durability of the ski on rails nearly as much as increasing the edge thickness.
Hardly anyone does this, as it adds considerable weight, cost, and manufacturing difficulty to increase the edge and base thickness.
The only companies I know of actually using a thicker edge (and thicker base material) are ON3P, J-Skis, Kitten Factory, and Batalla (I believe). There are probably a couple more, but not many. From what our supplier has told us, the edge we all use has its origin in helping to build rental fleets, where the ability to grind the ski over and over and over while maintaining usable base & edge thickness is a key component of making the rental skis very profitable over the long term. When we started sourcing our material back in 2008, I told our supplier I want the absolute biggest edge we can get, and that is what ON3P and several other brands are using today.
So, by comparison, the brands I listed above are all using a 2.5mm wide x 2.5mm thick edge, with a 1.8mm thick base. A lot of the brands that list their edges as "2.2mm" or whatever are using edges that are 2.2mm wide x 2.0mm thick, with a 1.3mm thick base. That extra 0.5mm of edge is considerable and gets you a lot of extra life out of your skis.
There is a good thread from awhile back that featured a good discussion on edges. You can see it here.
https://www.newschoolers.com/forum/...2mm-2-5mm-----Thickness-Width--who-uses-what-
Here is a image from our supplier to give you an idea of how the edge profile actually looks, and what sort of variation you can get.
For what it is worth, we've looked into getting even thicker and wider edges, but the order requirements for full on custom edges are over what we are able to afford at this time.
Hope that helps.
What is the edge they use on world cup skis though? Because those edges are really tiny. My friend's rossi scratches had a tiny little strip of metal as an edge that came extremely close to blowing out. He bought new ar7s and the edge is hella beefy in comparison, though as you said, they didn't look much different from my salomons, or my friends k2s. I didn't even think to compare the height however. I think for some reason rossi used world cup edges on that thing, which makes no sense. Also, Line does use a 2.5mm high edge, it is only 2.0mm wide however.
03gade
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also, at my ski shop every single ski on our wall was described as an all mountain ski "that can carve turns on groomers but still work in the soft stuff" in either the product video, on the company's website, by the companies rep, or in a skis.com/the house review. Everything from the 77mm underfoot salomon xpro to the Rossi Super 7. It's so dumb.
juanborlando
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"kill all posers"
haggis_hunter
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'Carve Rocker'...
It should be called placebo rocker.
It should be called placebo rocker.
SupremeDeity
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All Mountain/Park Ski
Krotchs_Brother
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13251842:Z-Juice said:
You can take out your anger on the ski and it will just forgive you and still be your friend. Nobody likes a ski that holds a grudge.
joesdapoes
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does anyone remember the prototype skis from LJ wich were featured in the LTC? they seriously had magnets in them to make you rotate faster using earths magnetic field...
joesdapoes
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"It has 3cm early rise, so it can rip the deepest pow days"