SimonFiller
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plump, give me the proof that shows the bible is true.
Site where jesus cure the blind man was found.
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Apple
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Im still waiting for those inconsinstancies. I mean, If you PM'ed them to Almostaskier, then its not that hard to copy and paste them into this thread.
And badfish2 there is a big diffrence between the institution of the church and the work of god. In my opinion the institution is blasphamy -and has been for a long time. Faith is a powerful tool, and the church is the means to control faith and at many points in history the chuch has been in the hands of the wrong people. That kind of power over people is a very dangerous thing. That is why you can see the teachings of the church at the base of many laws. And its also why I have such a big problem with the Institution of the church.
To me there is a huge diffrence between my belifes in god and my belifes in the institution set up to worship him.
And to whom ever it was who asked for some scientific proof, There is a published book with something like 50 scientific reasons why Evolution can not be fact. I cant remember the name of the book, But im sure that someone else in this thread will be able to fill you in. But before you read it, be warned: Out of the fifty, i thought that only 3 or 4 actually made some kind of logical sense. But when denouncing a theory's credibility, you only need 1.
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And badfish2 there is a big diffrence between the institution of the church and the work of god. In my opinion the institution is blasphamy -and has been for a long time. Faith is a powerful tool, and the church is the means to control faith and at many points in history the chuch has been in the hands of the wrong people. That kind of power over people is a very dangerous thing. That is why you can see the teachings of the church at the base of many laws. And its also why I have such a big problem with the Institution of the church.
To me there is a huge diffrence between my belifes in god and my belifes in the institution set up to worship him.
And to whom ever it was who asked for some scientific proof, There is a published book with something like 50 scientific reasons why Evolution can not be fact. I cant remember the name of the book, But im sure that someone else in this thread will be able to fill you in. But before you read it, be warned: Out of the fifty, i thought that only 3 or 4 actually made some kind of logical sense. But when denouncing a theory's credibility, you only need 1.
Like a virgin on promnight!
-ThomSavery
please pardon the cacography.
CCR
PPP
DL.
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JackBach
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Proof that the Bible is fake or that what the Bible STATES is not true?
Anyone who believes the Bible is fake can come over to my house and view my copy as proof that exists. Or you can visit a Church, or...oh, well I suppose that's enough to help you on your way.
All sarcasm and condesending comments aside, I'll assume what you meant was that no one has provided an argument that proves what is stated in the Bible is false.
I'm just going to flip this argument right back around on you: wanna see? Here we go!
Prove that God exists.
Neither side will win this debate, at least not at this juncture in our existence. It comes down to your beliefs--either you believe what you can sense or you believe what quells your soul's unrest.
I believe something exists and within the realm of philosophical conversation, that's as far as I'm willing commit.
Good evening.
[/b]We are the resistance, our last line of defense. Bred to fight for our promised land. Rebels at heart they will hunt us till the ends of the earth.
Anyone who believes the Bible is fake can come over to my house and view my copy as proof that exists. Or you can visit a Church, or...oh, well I suppose that's enough to help you on your way.
All sarcasm and condesending comments aside, I'll assume what you meant was that no one has provided an argument that proves what is stated in the Bible is false.
I'm just going to flip this argument right back around on you: wanna see? Here we go!
Prove that God exists.
Neither side will win this debate, at least not at this juncture in our existence. It comes down to your beliefs--either you believe what you can sense or you believe what quells your soul's unrest.
I believe something exists and within the realm of philosophical conversation, that's as far as I'm willing commit.
Good evening.
[/b]We are the resistance, our last line of defense. Bred to fight for our promised land. Rebels at heart they will hunt us till the ends of the earth.
almostaskier
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sorry to say this, but, im through with this dicussion. Cruz i think, pm me if you want to talk about creation vs evolution.
as for the rest of this thread: i gave you guys plenty of time to state your case against what i said, which you wasted on personal attacks, and dmeanded answers to things i wanted you guys to give me your case on.
you wasted your chance at intelligent discourse. im through here. pm me if you need to talk more.
good day.
- Patty
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wait wait, i have joke: you have mother, and she is very fat! ha ha ha!
as for the rest of this thread: i gave you guys plenty of time to state your case against what i said, which you wasted on personal attacks, and dmeanded answers to things i wanted you guys to give me your case on.
you wasted your chance at intelligent discourse. im through here. pm me if you need to talk more.
good day.
- Patty
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wait wait, i have joke: you have mother, and she is very fat! ha ha ha!
SimonFiller
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dude...why so much aggression? so much attitude in what you write. just relax my friend.
SimonFiller
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plump....i looked but did not find one question by you. i might be missing it for some reason.
SimonFiller
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maybe life is one big fucking reality tv show and God and his boys are sitting around drinking angel booze, just having a good ole time.
wilkesyachtingco
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dude- i am mormon. and it seemed to me that he was talking like mormons believe that jesus has come a second time... like, recently... jehovas witnesses believe that he came again, or was supposed to come again in 1914, or somthing like that... as for my religion, we kind of view everything that happened in the meridian of time as the same thing.... so, i see what you mean.
also, obviously some religious people are morons. theres morons of all kinds. it was the generalizations that irked me. to call all jews, christians, etc, etc... morons is to call over 50 million people morons... which is ludicris.
Mercy's eyes are blue
When she places them in front of you
Nothing holds a roman candle to
The solemn warmth you feel inside
also, obviously some religious people are morons. theres morons of all kinds. it was the generalizations that irked me. to call all jews, christians, etc, etc... morons is to call over 50 million people morons... which is ludicris.
Mercy's eyes are blue
When she places them in front of you
Nothing holds a roman candle to
The solemn warmth you feel inside
SimonFiller
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mormonism is not really a religion in my book. its a cult. joseph smith was just a loony who wrote some shit down in the woods.
wilkesyachtingco
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well, thats too bad simon. if you look into the facts and figures behind the book of mormon, youd find it practically impossible to have been written in 1820, by anyone, let alone a 14 year old with a 2nd grade education.
if you want to see the evidence for it, as far as physical evidence is concerned, check out
http://farms.byu.edu/
theres a few links to various related subjects... it would be interesting to anyone, mormon or not.
Mercy's eyes are blue
When she places them in front of you
Nothing holds a roman candle to
The solemn warmth you feel inside
if you want to see the evidence for it, as far as physical evidence is concerned, check out
http://farms.byu.edu/
theres a few links to various related subjects... it would be interesting to anyone, mormon or not.
Mercy's eyes are blue
When she places them in front of you
Nothing holds a roman candle to
The solemn warmth you feel inside
TheClap.
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inconsistencies- a great flood no one has ever seen evidence for any true mass exttinction of men. also if angels were once men/women rose to heaven how did satan, a fallen angel exist before adam and eve, that would show that there were humans before adam and eve, also how about the bible being in english, when translations of egyptian heiroglyphs are said to be not perfected but yet the ancient ancient languages of biblical times have been translated perfectly as of now. religous books have been around for ages and depending on the culture/society that you are born into you will believe one, no religion is right or wrong it is all your perception and how you interpret it.
TheClap.
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also god is just someone created to show stability and give people something to be scared of, human nature is to feed off of fear the govt. tries to scare us and we still trust them, the news show murders and death but we still watch awestruck, to gain power you must have your people fearful of something thats the way it was and always will be. its all the human mind finding something to attach itself too.
SimonFiller
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mormonism is a cult. smith claimed that he had seen and conversed with God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. (but the Bible says it would kill a man to see God). there are about 2.5 million Mormons today and because of their missionary zeal it is one of the fastest growing churches in the world. i've noticed several Mormon commercials of late. what kind of a church advertises on tv? mormons own 18 radio stations (couldn't they use money for helping the poor and starving instead of buy radio stations?) mormons believe that they will one day become gods (thats right, gods plural!) and that the male Mormons will then rule over their own distant planet and with their own harem of obedient female Mormons they will populate their own planet. Doesn't sound like much of a heaven for the Mormon women. I have never heard of changing dirty diapers as compared to heaven. Actually this is just about what the Muslims believe that Allah will give them a harem in heaven. Jesus has stated that there will be no marring-intercourse in heaven {Mark 12:25}, but then we know that Mormons are not Christians and are not following Jesus.
wilkesyachtingco
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moses spoke to god face to face... why not someone else? if youre determined to be a hater, thats fine... but just remember that people said the same stuff about christianity when christ was on earth... that it was a cult and whatnot... and at any rate, by the usual dictionary definition of "cult" all religions are cults.
and theres 12 million members of the church... not 2.5 mil....
and the church (the lds church, or momons) assets are more than you know, im sure.
read about it if you want...
http://www.lds-mormon.com/wealth.shtml
about the charity thing, well, you seem like a pretty informed guy, so you ought to know that the church is one of the largest sources of charitable giving in the world.
heres some examples of cult members being stingy with their money
http://www.lds.org/newsroom/displaytopic/0,15343,3898-1-612-19,00.html
anyways, simon, im guessing youre either some kind of athiest (ive not read through the entire thread, so i dont recall youre religious (non religious) position, but from what youve said here, i wouldnt be supprised to find that youre affiliated with some kind of born again christan sect... everything youve said is very sterotypical of an evangelicals idea of mormons.
Mercy's eyes are blue
When she places them in front of you
Nothing holds a roman candle to
The solemn warmth you feel inside
and theres 12 million members of the church... not 2.5 mil....
and the church (the lds church, or momons) assets are more than you know, im sure.
read about it if you want...
http://www.lds-mormon.com/wealth.shtml
about the charity thing, well, you seem like a pretty informed guy, so you ought to know that the church is one of the largest sources of charitable giving in the world.
heres some examples of cult members being stingy with their money
http://www.lds.org/newsroom/displaytopic/0,15343,3898-1-612-19,00.html
anyways, simon, im guessing youre either some kind of athiest (ive not read through the entire thread, so i dont recall youre religious (non religious) position, but from what youve said here, i wouldnt be supprised to find that youre affiliated with some kind of born again christan sect... everything youve said is very sterotypical of an evangelicals idea of mormons.
Mercy's eyes are blue
When she places them in front of you
Nothing holds a roman candle to
The solemn warmth you feel inside
SimonFiller
Active member
The Mormons have a new, new testament book. Did Jesus die again to confirm their new new testament? Unless Jesus died like He did on the Cross to confirm the real New Testament, Then you do not have a Covenant between God and Man. Jesus is God and covenants between Him and man are covenants between God and man. Death makes a covenant permanent/unchangeable. Joseph Smith is a man, the new new covenant that Mormons follow is a covenant from a (sinful) man Joseph Smith to (sinful) men and is totally worthless in the eyes of the Holy God.
SimonFiller
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Mormonism is a false teaching that contends that humans can achieve godhead amazingly by disobeying the one and true living God. Mormonism is the ultimate paradox teaching in that if you do something the wrong, disobedient and disrespectful way, that the end result is to become a god. Yet of course Mormonism in being a controlling and manipulating cult it is unacceptable for anyone to criticize, disobey or even question any of the Mormon practices, interesting how Mormon disobedience is only tolerated and encouraged when it is directed and practiced against God.
Here are some of the many Mormon practices that are directly disobedient to the word of God.
God commanded that the family marriage is to be between one man and one woman and that in doing so the two would become one flesh. Mormons in rejecting God have made it their highest desired to engage in polygamy a selfish desire to have multiple marriage partners and in doing so creating confusion and societal disorder of the highest degree. It is not respectful to have multiple wives in fact it is the most dishonoring and un-family oriented act a person can engage in.
Mormonism as a cult requires that the members give of their time, money and resources in order to be in good standing with the Mormon teachings and only when in good standing with the Mormon teachings can one achieve their desired godhead. Yet in fact humans cannot overcome our own predicament of sin and death and therefore God came to us and died for us. In truth God came to us and now Mormonism is again insulting God with the teachings that humans do not need God but can overcome without God.
Mormons have likewise rejected the cross of Jesus as unnecessary for the redemption of mankind and therefore do not display the cross of Jesus but instead ordain their temples with various symbols many of them actually occult in nature.
Mormons deny and have rejected the Blood and Body covenant of Jesus and have dishonored it with the substitution of their own bread and water communion.
God commanded His followers to go into all of the world and to baptize the (living) in His name, the name of the Father the Son Jesus and the Holy Spirit. The Mormons go forth and baptize the dead in a bizarre practice that involves attempts at deceased spirit contact something that is strictly forbidden by the Bible.
Here are some of the many Mormon practices that are directly disobedient to the word of God.
God commanded that the family marriage is to be between one man and one woman and that in doing so the two would become one flesh. Mormons in rejecting God have made it their highest desired to engage in polygamy a selfish desire to have multiple marriage partners and in doing so creating confusion and societal disorder of the highest degree. It is not respectful to have multiple wives in fact it is the most dishonoring and un-family oriented act a person can engage in.
Mormonism as a cult requires that the members give of their time, money and resources in order to be in good standing with the Mormon teachings and only when in good standing with the Mormon teachings can one achieve their desired godhead. Yet in fact humans cannot overcome our own predicament of sin and death and therefore God came to us and died for us. In truth God came to us and now Mormonism is again insulting God with the teachings that humans do not need God but can overcome without God.
Mormons have likewise rejected the cross of Jesus as unnecessary for the redemption of mankind and therefore do not display the cross of Jesus but instead ordain their temples with various symbols many of them actually occult in nature.
Mormons deny and have rejected the Blood and Body covenant of Jesus and have dishonored it with the substitution of their own bread and water communion.
God commanded His followers to go into all of the world and to baptize the (living) in His name, the name of the Father the Son Jesus and the Holy Spirit. The Mormons go forth and baptize the dead in a bizarre practice that involves attempts at deceased spirit contact something that is strictly forbidden by the Bible.
llama
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Well, that's probably the most ridiculous, close-minded response I've seen today.
Congratulations, you've learned nothing from this discussion and have reinforced your already cemented beliefs with pious absolutes.
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Congratulations, you've learned nothing from this discussion and have reinforced your already cemented beliefs with pious absolutes.
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It baffles me that anyone can belive in the horseshit that Joseph Smith wrote. The angel Moroni came to him, told him to dig up some golden plates, then gave him magic spectacles to translate the plates. But then, his friend who helped him translate it lost everything they wrote down (how convenient). So then he used a magic "seeing stone", which was a rock he placed in a hat, then stuck his head in the hat (depriving himself of oxygen, but they didn't have a lot of scientific knowledge back then) and the rock helped him translate the plates. Then the angel came and took the plates away, so nobody else can see them. Again, how convenient.
And let's not forget about polygamy. While true that the modern LDS church does not practice it, and it is only practiced by the Fundamentalist Ladder Day Saints (FLDS), it was still an idea fostered and promoted by Joseph Smith. When his wife discovered he had been practicing it for some time, she became very upset. So that very night, with the help of his brother and his secretary, Joseph Smith dictated what God told him about polygamy. He stated that men were supposed to have multiple wives, and that women were to embrace it, especially the wife of Joseph Smith. Total, unbelievable, bullshit.
This is written in The Doctrine and Covenants, THE book written by Joseph Smith, which contains the "laws" that mormons are to follow. The only reason the LDS church doesn't practice polygamy to this day is because of pressure by the government. So, if you really believe in this stuff, I feel sorry for you.
And let's not forget about polygamy. While true that the modern LDS church does not practice it, and it is only practiced by the Fundamentalist Ladder Day Saints (FLDS), it was still an idea fostered and promoted by Joseph Smith. When his wife discovered he had been practicing it for some time, she became very upset. So that very night, with the help of his brother and his secretary, Joseph Smith dictated what God told him about polygamy. He stated that men were supposed to have multiple wives, and that women were to embrace it, especially the wife of Joseph Smith. Total, unbelievable, bullshit.
This is written in The Doctrine and Covenants, THE book written by Joseph Smith, which contains the "laws" that mormons are to follow. The only reason the LDS church doesn't practice polygamy to this day is because of pressure by the government. So, if you really believe in this stuff, I feel sorry for you.
SimonFiller
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mormonism has got to be one of the biggest scams of all time. i feel sorry for all of the people that have bought into it without even questioning its origins.
almostaskier
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wait, you mean you are proving stuff by the Bible when you believe to be a farce? i must say im confused about you...
- Patty
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religion without science is lame, science without religion is blind - Albert Einstein
- Patty
*NS Skateboarders* Vas y il l'a cassé!
religion without science is lame, science without religion is blind - Albert Einstein
SimonFiller
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not once did i say the bible didn't hold truth...i said that its literal accuracy is way off base, which makes it a farce. what do you think about mormons?
almostaskier
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im not getting into that at all, you are not worth it... but how can you use a farce to make a point at all? defies logic... stick to one thing: either the Bible is all true, or all wrong, you cannot have it either way, seeing as it proclaims to be THE TRUTH, not some of the truth...
- Patty
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religion without science is lame, science without religion is blind - Albert Einstein
- Patty
*NS Skateboarders* Vas y il l'a cassé!
religion without science is lame, science without religion is blind - Albert Einstein
SimonFiller
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wow, all true or all false. i hope you never do research for a living. you are too narrowminded. there is nothing wrong with considering other schools of thought. thats what smart people do. you dont understand faith. faith for you is a destructive force; it makes a mockery of logic and obstructs our ability to reason intelligently. wake up kid.
almostaskier
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bwahahahahahahahahahahaha oo man, never stop dude, this is funny.
can you believe anything the bible says if there is a part that is not true, when it claims to be THE TRUTH?
if there is a part that is not correct, then what can be? how can it pertain to be a source of truth and morals if it is faulty itself? wake up and smell the ripe logic man. if any part of it is wrong or inconsistent, like you so say it is, then why is anything else trustworthy, if, as i stress again, it claims to be the ABSOLUTE TRUTH?
the fact is, it can't be right if any part is wrong. but keep telling yourself your superior because you have gone to college. yeah, yah see that? i can make assumptions too. you, sir, are the fool for using what you beleieve to be a farce as any kind of proof for what you are saying, and you are blinded by your own assumption of superiority.
but keep trying, it has been 2000 some years that people ahve been trying to prove the bible erroneous, with very little results i might add, and nothing that hasn't been refuted since.
keep going simon, you are hilarious...
- Patty
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religion without science is lame, science without religion is blind - Albert Einstein
can you believe anything the bible says if there is a part that is not true, when it claims to be THE TRUTH?
if there is a part that is not correct, then what can be? how can it pertain to be a source of truth and morals if it is faulty itself? wake up and smell the ripe logic man. if any part of it is wrong or inconsistent, like you so say it is, then why is anything else trustworthy, if, as i stress again, it claims to be the ABSOLUTE TRUTH?
the fact is, it can't be right if any part is wrong. but keep telling yourself your superior because you have gone to college. yeah, yah see that? i can make assumptions too. you, sir, are the fool for using what you beleieve to be a farce as any kind of proof for what you are saying, and you are blinded by your own assumption of superiority.
but keep trying, it has been 2000 some years that people ahve been trying to prove the bible erroneous, with very little results i might add, and nothing that hasn't been refuted since.
keep going simon, you are hilarious...
- Patty
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religion without science is lame, science without religion is blind - Albert Einstein
SimonFiller
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your afraid
almostaskier
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you'RE afraid too...
man what kind of BS is that? im afraid of you? hahahaha.
wow i didn't think this all that much of a waste of time, but thats it. you, sir, are an idiot. im through wasting my time with you.
have a great condescending life, simon my little moronic buddy.
peace out.
- Patty
*NS Skateboarders* Vas y il l'a cassé!
religion without science is lame, science without religion is blind - Albert Einstein
man what kind of BS is that? im afraid of you? hahahaha.
wow i didn't think this all that much of a waste of time, but thats it. you, sir, are an idiot. im through wasting my time with you.
have a great condescending life, simon my little moronic buddy.
peace out.
- Patty
*NS Skateboarders* Vas y il l'a cassé!
religion without science is lame, science without religion is blind - Albert Einstein
wilkesyachtingco
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well, as for the polygamy thing, i hope you guys are ready to condemn abraham isaac and jacob to hell...
as for the "new new testament" ?????? wha? we use the king james version of the new testament duder.
did you look at any of the links ive provided? or are you happy to just go on through life having an extrodinarily slanted view of the nations fastest growing religion?
so... you still havnt told me what your religious stand is mr. filler...
Mercy's eyes are blue
When she places them in front of you
Nothing holds a roman candle to
The solemn warmth you feel inside
as for the "new new testament" ?????? wha? we use the king james version of the new testament duder.
did you look at any of the links ive provided? or are you happy to just go on through life having an extrodinarily slanted view of the nations fastest growing religion?
so... you still havnt told me what your religious stand is mr. filler...
Mercy's eyes are blue
When she places them in front of you
Nothing holds a roman candle to
The solemn warmth you feel inside
wilkesyachtingco
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heres a post that i typed up a year or two ago in response to a different "mormon" thread. not exactly on topic, but if youre interested, i didnt want to type it out again.
joseph smith was tried and convicted probably more times than any other historical figure i can think of off the top of my head... keep in mind, though, that the nature of the charges that he was tried for were completley falsified and scurrilous. satanic arts? not so sure about that one. never heard of it before. does anyone find it unusual that a kid, who was 14 years old at the start of it all was able to produce a book, over 500 pages in lenth, over the span of 10 or so years, being pursued by mobs who wanted to kill him, across 6 states, only to be murdered at the end of it all. the book of mormon introduced more proper nouns into the english language than did all of shakespeares works combined. is it odd that this could be accomplished by someone with a third grade education? teams of scholars couldnt match this work in terms of its corrospondance with the old and new testiment, not to mention the continuity of the work itself. the book of mormon is a compilation of writings that spans the years of roughly 600 bce to 435 ad or so. it includes writings by dozends of different authors, all of whom have distinct writing styles that are preceivable throughout the text. certain literaty forms that appear in the biblical texts that are exclusive to hebrew writing are found in the book of mormon. point being that there is NO WAY that this could have been writen by some random teenager/twentysomthing from upstate new york. anyone who has read it could tell you that.
the whole idea behind the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (LDS/Mormons) is that it is a restoration of the chruch that was originaly established among the Isrealites in old testament times. beleive it or not, the bible supports the LDS church as much as anything. the old and new Testaments are every bit as important in the church as is the Book Of Mormon. They teach the same ideas, namely the teachings of Jesus.
after Christ lived and died, the church was left in the hands of the Apostles. (ie peter james john, matthias, etc) the apostles went abroad spreading the message of christianity. eventually they were always traveling, and communitcated with the fledgling church via letters, or epistles, which comprise much of the new testament. in time, every single apostle was martyred. the church became the subject of dipute, and a means of control and gain at the hands of men whos motives were less than christ like. this process was a falling away from the church that Christ set up. in ephesians paul talks about a church whos foundation was upon apostles and prophets, who were privy to inspiration from God. this clearly ended no more than three hundred years after the Death of Christ. practices such as the sale of indulgences and the false doctorine of supererogation began to infiltrate the church, and corrupt it from within. durring the dark ages direct revelation was clearly not in control of the Church. then, in the late upper renaissance, one of the most pivitol events in all of world history occured, namely the protestant reformation. The uninspired ways of the Catholic church led reformers such as Calvin, Wycliffe, and most famously Martin Luther, to cry out against the uninspired practices that were taking place. They could read the scriptures, and see that the existing church lacked inspired leadership. they saw that the lure of money corrupted clergymen. We all know about Luthers little list that he nailed to the door of his church.
as this reformation broke the strangle hold that the Catholics had had on the European people, politics, and everyday life, things began to change. The discovery of the New World, and the subsequent founding of America laid the next stones in the way to a complete restoration of Christs church. Now there was a land where Religious variation was tolerated. If Joseph Smith had live in Europe in the middle ages, no way would there be an LDS church today. America made it possible. In the early 1800's the time was at hand.
Joseph Smith was called as the first prophet of the restoration. Prophets have always had certain jobs to do. Moses had to deliver the Isrealites from Egypt. Noah was to preserve his family thought the flood, Isiah was to preach of Christ. Joseph Smith was to restore the entirety of the Gospel, as it had existed with the children of Isreal in the Siani wilderness, as it had existed with Elijah, Isiah, Christ, and Paul. the ordinances of Baptism and confirmation were reinstated, as well as temple rites that had existed in the time of the Tabernacle in the wilderness. A church structure was put together identicle to the one that Christ himself had set up in the maridian of time, based on 'apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors, and teachers' (ephesians 4:11) no other church today even claims to be structured this way. this being the case, there are really only three churches that are worth looking at, as far as Christianity is concerned, if you want a church that has a legitimate claim to the entire truth. you have either the catholics, based on the fact that they have existed in one form or another since the time of Christ, you have the Orthodox Christians, who have also exisited since that time, and you have the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, who claim to be a restoration of that original church that had been taken from the earth for a time. (this was foretold in the new testiment, in 2 thessolnians 2:3 '...for that day shall not come (the second coming of Christ) except there come a falling away first...' Paul foresaw an apostasy from the truth. it happened. its now over. that is the claim of the Mormons.
Now for the Book of Mormon itself. I have already said a little about its technical features.
the book is, as i said, a compilation of writings that starts with a guy named Lehi who lived in jeruselem approx 600 Bc, makeing him a contemporary of the biblical prophet Jeramiah. if youve read the writings of Jerimiah, you know that Jeruselm was in pretty bad shape, morally speaking at the time. Lehi was commanded by God to take his family and flee the city. They left with all their belongings, and with another family, treked through the arabian wilderness for 8 years or so, finally coming to the sea in what would likley be modern day Yemen, on the southern part of the penensula. there, they constructed a ship for the better part of a few years, and then set to sea. they eventually made it to what is generally agreed upon as panama, or perhaps around guatamala, from the provided descriptions. (its funny, as there is an in depth description of the isthmus, and both seas that match panama quite well, but you know, kids in upstate NY in 1820 knew all about panama, so its an obvious forgery) anyhow, the rest of the book chronicles the people that descended from those two families over the next 800-1000 years. the key point in the book, being a visitation by Christ, durring the space after the ressurection. It is stated in the book of John in the New Testament 'other sheep i have, which are not of this fold: them also i must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd' (John 10:16) this is commonly interpreted outside the church (by other christian groups) to be refering to the Gentile nations that christs apostles eventually went to preach to. It must be noted, however, that they gentiles never heard Christs voice, as he never preched to them personally. He did, however, preach personally to the People in the Americas, after his ascention into heaven, as chronicled in Acts Ch.2. Chist appears to the people, preaches much of the same doctorine that he had preached in Judea, and then ascends again into heaven. the Book of Mormon follows these people for another 400 years or so, until they are overrun by other indiginous peoples, and killed.
if any of you are familiar with the early american history, you have certainly heard the story of Hernan Cortez, the man who waltzed into town, and had his way wherever he pleased. This is attributed to the fact that the Aztecs people thought that he was Quetelcotal, or a great white priest that was to return, acording to legend. There are also pockets of Native peoples in Guatamala that are unusually fair skinned, in comparison to the other indiginous peoples there. there are ruins in central america that match cites described in the Book of Mormon, that were not discovered for years after the books publication.
for a more detailed look at this kind of thing check out
http://farms.byu.edu/
an yhow, the Book of Mormon, in my estimation could not be a fraudulent document. its a veritable impossibility, taking into account when it was produced, and by whom.
the real point of the Book, however, is that it teaches of Christ. The Old and New Testaments teach of Christ. That is what Mormons are all about. Jesus Christ. he is the center of it all. without him, there would be no church. We beleive, as many christian denomonations do, that he is our Savior, and sole means of salvation.
so to close breifly, Joseph Smith was killed, along with his brother in 1844 in Illonois. after that, Brigham Young became the succeeding prophet, and president of the church, and led the majority of the church faithfull across the plains to Utah, where they established SLC, this was, no doubt inspired, not becuase of the proximity to good farmland, or anything else, but because God is, undoubtedly a skier, and he knew that the biggest favor he could do for his people was to plant them at the mouth of Little Cottonwood canyon, so that generations in the future would be able to get burried in the greatest snow on earth.
anyways, that is my concises history of Mormonism. if anyone has anymore questions, post them, and i will try and answer them as well as i can.
Mercy's eyes are blue
When she places them in front of you
Nothing holds a roman candle to
The solemn warmth you feel inside
joseph smith was tried and convicted probably more times than any other historical figure i can think of off the top of my head... keep in mind, though, that the nature of the charges that he was tried for were completley falsified and scurrilous. satanic arts? not so sure about that one. never heard of it before. does anyone find it unusual that a kid, who was 14 years old at the start of it all was able to produce a book, over 500 pages in lenth, over the span of 10 or so years, being pursued by mobs who wanted to kill him, across 6 states, only to be murdered at the end of it all. the book of mormon introduced more proper nouns into the english language than did all of shakespeares works combined. is it odd that this could be accomplished by someone with a third grade education? teams of scholars couldnt match this work in terms of its corrospondance with the old and new testiment, not to mention the continuity of the work itself. the book of mormon is a compilation of writings that spans the years of roughly 600 bce to 435 ad or so. it includes writings by dozends of different authors, all of whom have distinct writing styles that are preceivable throughout the text. certain literaty forms that appear in the biblical texts that are exclusive to hebrew writing are found in the book of mormon. point being that there is NO WAY that this could have been writen by some random teenager/twentysomthing from upstate new york. anyone who has read it could tell you that.
the whole idea behind the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (LDS/Mormons) is that it is a restoration of the chruch that was originaly established among the Isrealites in old testament times. beleive it or not, the bible supports the LDS church as much as anything. the old and new Testaments are every bit as important in the church as is the Book Of Mormon. They teach the same ideas, namely the teachings of Jesus.
after Christ lived and died, the church was left in the hands of the Apostles. (ie peter james john, matthias, etc) the apostles went abroad spreading the message of christianity. eventually they were always traveling, and communitcated with the fledgling church via letters, or epistles, which comprise much of the new testament. in time, every single apostle was martyred. the church became the subject of dipute, and a means of control and gain at the hands of men whos motives were less than christ like. this process was a falling away from the church that Christ set up. in ephesians paul talks about a church whos foundation was upon apostles and prophets, who were privy to inspiration from God. this clearly ended no more than three hundred years after the Death of Christ. practices such as the sale of indulgences and the false doctorine of supererogation began to infiltrate the church, and corrupt it from within. durring the dark ages direct revelation was clearly not in control of the Church. then, in the late upper renaissance, one of the most pivitol events in all of world history occured, namely the protestant reformation. The uninspired ways of the Catholic church led reformers such as Calvin, Wycliffe, and most famously Martin Luther, to cry out against the uninspired practices that were taking place. They could read the scriptures, and see that the existing church lacked inspired leadership. they saw that the lure of money corrupted clergymen. We all know about Luthers little list that he nailed to the door of his church.
as this reformation broke the strangle hold that the Catholics had had on the European people, politics, and everyday life, things began to change. The discovery of the New World, and the subsequent founding of America laid the next stones in the way to a complete restoration of Christs church. Now there was a land where Religious variation was tolerated. If Joseph Smith had live in Europe in the middle ages, no way would there be an LDS church today. America made it possible. In the early 1800's the time was at hand.
Joseph Smith was called as the first prophet of the restoration. Prophets have always had certain jobs to do. Moses had to deliver the Isrealites from Egypt. Noah was to preserve his family thought the flood, Isiah was to preach of Christ. Joseph Smith was to restore the entirety of the Gospel, as it had existed with the children of Isreal in the Siani wilderness, as it had existed with Elijah, Isiah, Christ, and Paul. the ordinances of Baptism and confirmation were reinstated, as well as temple rites that had existed in the time of the Tabernacle in the wilderness. A church structure was put together identicle to the one that Christ himself had set up in the maridian of time, based on 'apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors, and teachers' (ephesians 4:11) no other church today even claims to be structured this way. this being the case, there are really only three churches that are worth looking at, as far as Christianity is concerned, if you want a church that has a legitimate claim to the entire truth. you have either the catholics, based on the fact that they have existed in one form or another since the time of Christ, you have the Orthodox Christians, who have also exisited since that time, and you have the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, who claim to be a restoration of that original church that had been taken from the earth for a time. (this was foretold in the new testiment, in 2 thessolnians 2:3 '...for that day shall not come (the second coming of Christ) except there come a falling away first...' Paul foresaw an apostasy from the truth. it happened. its now over. that is the claim of the Mormons.
Now for the Book of Mormon itself. I have already said a little about its technical features.
the book is, as i said, a compilation of writings that starts with a guy named Lehi who lived in jeruselem approx 600 Bc, makeing him a contemporary of the biblical prophet Jeramiah. if youve read the writings of Jerimiah, you know that Jeruselm was in pretty bad shape, morally speaking at the time. Lehi was commanded by God to take his family and flee the city. They left with all their belongings, and with another family, treked through the arabian wilderness for 8 years or so, finally coming to the sea in what would likley be modern day Yemen, on the southern part of the penensula. there, they constructed a ship for the better part of a few years, and then set to sea. they eventually made it to what is generally agreed upon as panama, or perhaps around guatamala, from the provided descriptions. (its funny, as there is an in depth description of the isthmus, and both seas that match panama quite well, but you know, kids in upstate NY in 1820 knew all about panama, so its an obvious forgery) anyhow, the rest of the book chronicles the people that descended from those two families over the next 800-1000 years. the key point in the book, being a visitation by Christ, durring the space after the ressurection. It is stated in the book of John in the New Testament 'other sheep i have, which are not of this fold: them also i must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd' (John 10:16) this is commonly interpreted outside the church (by other christian groups) to be refering to the Gentile nations that christs apostles eventually went to preach to. It must be noted, however, that they gentiles never heard Christs voice, as he never preched to them personally. He did, however, preach personally to the People in the Americas, after his ascention into heaven, as chronicled in Acts Ch.2. Chist appears to the people, preaches much of the same doctorine that he had preached in Judea, and then ascends again into heaven. the Book of Mormon follows these people for another 400 years or so, until they are overrun by other indiginous peoples, and killed.
if any of you are familiar with the early american history, you have certainly heard the story of Hernan Cortez, the man who waltzed into town, and had his way wherever he pleased. This is attributed to the fact that the Aztecs people thought that he was Quetelcotal, or a great white priest that was to return, acording to legend. There are also pockets of Native peoples in Guatamala that are unusually fair skinned, in comparison to the other indiginous peoples there. there are ruins in central america that match cites described in the Book of Mormon, that were not discovered for years after the books publication.
for a more detailed look at this kind of thing check out
http://farms.byu.edu/
an yhow, the Book of Mormon, in my estimation could not be a fraudulent document. its a veritable impossibility, taking into account when it was produced, and by whom.
the real point of the Book, however, is that it teaches of Christ. The Old and New Testaments teach of Christ. That is what Mormons are all about. Jesus Christ. he is the center of it all. without him, there would be no church. We beleive, as many christian denomonations do, that he is our Savior, and sole means of salvation.
so to close breifly, Joseph Smith was killed, along with his brother in 1844 in Illonois. after that, Brigham Young became the succeeding prophet, and president of the church, and led the majority of the church faithfull across the plains to Utah, where they established SLC, this was, no doubt inspired, not becuase of the proximity to good farmland, or anything else, but because God is, undoubtedly a skier, and he knew that the biggest favor he could do for his people was to plant them at the mouth of Little Cottonwood canyon, so that generations in the future would be able to get burried in the greatest snow on earth.
anyways, that is my concises history of Mormonism. if anyone has anymore questions, post them, and i will try and answer them as well as i can.
Mercy's eyes are blue
When she places them in front of you
Nothing holds a roman candle to
The solemn warmth you feel inside
SimonFiller
Active member
yo, i'll give it a read later tonight when i have time.
wilkesyachtingco
Active member
fair enough.
Mercy's eyes are blue
When she places them in front of you
Nothing holds a roman candle to
The solemn warmth you feel inside
Mercy's eyes are blue
When she places them in front of you
Nothing holds a roman candle to
The solemn warmth you feel inside
whaaa?!?! So your saying that it is impossible to write a bunch of true stories and then slip in a few made up? What could possible stop them?!?! hmmm... I want you to try something, get a pen and paper, and write down 3 things that are true statments about absolutly anything. Now, for the part that might be hard for you, write 1 thing that is made up or false. there you have it, you've managed to put something that wasnt true with something that isnt true.
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almostaskier
Active member
what i mean is that, either the bible is all true, or all fake. it cannot be believed if there is any wrong in it, as there could be, like you said. so to be believed and used as any kind of source, it would have to all be true. so either you beleive it all as true with no lie, and if there is one, it cannot be true at all and cannot be used as a reliable souce in anything, except storytelling. i believe it to be all true.
- Patty
*NS Skateboarders* Vas y il l'a cassé!
religion without science is lame, science without religion is blind - Albert Einstein
- Patty
*NS Skateboarders* Vas y il l'a cassé!
religion without science is lame, science without religion is blind - Albert Einstein
wilkesyachtingco
Active member
did you just read what i wrote?
Mercy's eyes are blue
When she places them in front of you
Nothing holds a roman candle to
The solemn warmth you feel inside
Mercy's eyes are blue
When she places them in front of you
Nothing holds a roman candle to
The solemn warmth you feel inside
Badfish2
Active member
so you would conceive that if there was something in the book that wasn't true that you would consider it all false??
what day was the sun created in Genesis?
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what day was the sun created in Genesis?
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"I realize the filming is garbage, but we were 2 guys filming our buddy fuck a milf, trying not to get caught." -skiinsted
SimonFiller
Active member
almostskier, you can have your beliefs, but you need to realize how ridiculous you sound when you say its either all right or all wrong. here is obvious proof of another contradiction.
Order of creation
Here is the order in the first (Genesis 1), the Priestly tradition:
Day 1: Sky, Earth, light
Day 2: Water, both in ocean basins and above the sky(!)
Day 3: Plants
Day 4: Sun, Moon, stars (as calendrical and navigational aids)
Day 5: Sea monsters (whales), fish, birds, land animals, creepy-crawlies (reptiles, insects, etc.)
Day 6: Humans (apparently both sexes at the same time)
Day 7: Nothing (the Gods took the first day off anyone ever did)
Almostaskier, Note that there are "days", "evenings", and "mornings" before the Sun was created. Here, the Deity is referred to as "Elohim", which is a plural, thus the literal translation, "the Gods". In this tale, the Gods seem satisfied with what they have done, saying after each step that "it was good".
The second one (Genesis 2), the Yahwist tradition, goes:
Earth and heavens (misty)
Adam, the first man (on a desolate Earth)
Plants
Animals
Eve, the first woman (from Adam's rib)
How orderly were things created?
#1: Step-by-step. The only discrepancy is that there is no Sun or Moon or stars on the first three "days".
#2: God fixes things up as he goes. The first man is lonely, and is not satisfied with animals. God finally creates a woman for him. (funny thing that an omniscient god would forget things)
How satisfied with creation was he?
#1: God says "it was good" after each of his labors, and rests on the seventh day, evidently very satisfied.
#2: God has to fix up his creation as he goes, and he would certainly not be very satisfied with the disobedience of that primordial couple. (funny thing that an omniscient god would forget things)
Order of creation
Here is the order in the first (Genesis 1), the Priestly tradition:
Day 1: Sky, Earth, light
Day 2: Water, both in ocean basins and above the sky(!)
Day 3: Plants
Day 4: Sun, Moon, stars (as calendrical and navigational aids)
Day 5: Sea monsters (whales), fish, birds, land animals, creepy-crawlies (reptiles, insects, etc.)
Day 6: Humans (apparently both sexes at the same time)
Day 7: Nothing (the Gods took the first day off anyone ever did)
Almostaskier, Note that there are "days", "evenings", and "mornings" before the Sun was created. Here, the Deity is referred to as "Elohim", which is a plural, thus the literal translation, "the Gods". In this tale, the Gods seem satisfied with what they have done, saying after each step that "it was good".
The second one (Genesis 2), the Yahwist tradition, goes:
Earth and heavens (misty)
Adam, the first man (on a desolate Earth)
Plants
Animals
Eve, the first woman (from Adam's rib)
How orderly were things created?
#1: Step-by-step. The only discrepancy is that there is no Sun or Moon or stars on the first three "days".
#2: God fixes things up as he goes. The first man is lonely, and is not satisfied with animals. God finally creates a woman for him. (funny thing that an omniscient god would forget things)
How satisfied with creation was he?
#1: God says "it was good" after each of his labors, and rests on the seventh day, evidently very satisfied.
#2: God has to fix up his creation as he goes, and he would certainly not be very satisfied with the disobedience of that primordial couple. (funny thing that an omniscient god would forget things)
SimonFiller
Active member
wilkes....i just don't buy it. i find your statement:
"its funny, as there is an in depth description of the isthmus, and both seas that match panama quite well, but you know, kids in upstate NY in 1820 knew all about panama, so its an obvious forgery"
interesting because there is indeed a panama in upstate new york. i see logic, but i dont see any evidence that is blatantly obvious, which should warrant someone to deviate so much from christianity. plus the fact that there is so much written in the bible about how there is only one God, yet mormons preach that men become gods plural. i just dont buy it. i also dont buy the fact that a 14 yr old couldnt come up with something so intellectual. you say the skill he wrote with could not even have been emulated by scholars...well since when does God even speak in english? since when does he use our grammar? none of it makes sense. if anything it would have been in hebrew. also, i have a big problem with the fact that until recently blacks were not even allowed to attend BYU or the church. i could go on and on. i have relatives that are mormons, and it pisses me off because their older sister got married and the younger brothers were not even allowed to attend the wedding because they were too young. that doesnt sound like God to me...that sounds like a nutt who conrtived some funky rules and thats probably why people were trying to kill him.
"its funny, as there is an in depth description of the isthmus, and both seas that match panama quite well, but you know, kids in upstate NY in 1820 knew all about panama, so its an obvious forgery"
interesting because there is indeed a panama in upstate new york. i see logic, but i dont see any evidence that is blatantly obvious, which should warrant someone to deviate so much from christianity. plus the fact that there is so much written in the bible about how there is only one God, yet mormons preach that men become gods plural. i just dont buy it. i also dont buy the fact that a 14 yr old couldnt come up with something so intellectual. you say the skill he wrote with could not even have been emulated by scholars...well since when does God even speak in english? since when does he use our grammar? none of it makes sense. if anything it would have been in hebrew. also, i have a big problem with the fact that until recently blacks were not even allowed to attend BYU or the church. i could go on and on. i have relatives that are mormons, and it pisses me off because their older sister got married and the younger brothers were not even allowed to attend the wedding because they were too young. that doesnt sound like God to me...that sounds like a nutt who conrtived some funky rules and thats probably why people were trying to kill him.
SimonFiller
Active member
i'm aware that you have your beliefs, but like me you were probably raised based on your parents beliefs and really havent questioned them that much. too me that is a big problem...at least seriously think about it. other denominations are different too, but they basically uphold the same ideals of christianity. mormons dont, they are entirely different. other religions have stood the test of time as well, mormonism has not.
freeskisquaw
Active member
Precisely.
NS has become the official gathering of the world's dumbest people.
Scratch174, thank you.
NS has become the official gathering of the world's dumbest people.
Scratch174, thank you.
almostaskier
Active member
not even going to go there. God doesn't forget things, he gives choice...
- Patty
*NS Skateboarders* Vas y il l'a cassé!
religion without science is lame, science without religion is blind - Albert Einstein
- Patty
*NS Skateboarders* Vas y il l'a cassé!
religion without science is lame, science without religion is blind - Albert Einstein
JackBach
Active member
For more on this topic, check out the book, "The Case for God."
My Dad is reading it and says there is a lot of good info.
[/b]We are the resistance, our last line of defense. Bred to fight for our promised land. Rebels at heart they will hunt us till the ends of the earth.
My Dad is reading it and says there is a lot of good info.
[/b]We are the resistance, our last line of defense. Bred to fight for our promised land. Rebels at heart they will hunt us till the ends of the earth.
almostaskier
Active member
and how can i forget? you are not worth my time Simon. you had your chance to talk with me, and you blew it.
- Patty
*NS Skateboarders* Vas y il l'a cassé!
religion without science is lame, science without religion is blind - Albert Einstein
- Patty
*NS Skateboarders* Vas y il l'a cassé!
religion without science is lame, science without religion is blind - Albert Einstein
SimonFiller
Active member
maybe you should work on coming up with a different response other than, your not worth my time or you had your chance. i didnt know there was time limits here.
almostaskier
Active member
no, its just that you don't deserve a response, you are so wrapped up in this dogma of yours and yet so confused about everything i say will not help you in anyway. but i will give you oen nonetheless.
for starters: elohim means the Gods. nice one. but do you remeber what God is? Father, Son and Holy Spirit. here it is used to show that all parts of God are present when it comes to creating the world.
strike one.
"How orderly were things created?
#1: Step-by-step. The only discrepancy is that there is no Sun or Moon or stars on the first three "days"."
well, lets thing about this. do you need to see a moon for there to be night? do you need to see the stars for the darkness to be there? answer: no. don't you think very well could have made light and have it shine on the earth, and it being round and spinning, make it so that there is darkness and light at the same time on the same planet that we know tday and that is happening right now as we speak, and that this alternation of light and darkness be called night and day, and that we we decided to, he could fix the light from a source and create a reflector for it at night? i hardly think this would have been a problem an omnipotent God.
strike 2.
"#2: God fixes things up as he goes. The first man is lonely, and is not satisfied with animals. God finally creates a woman for him. (funny thing that an omniscient god would forget things)" what a load of biased excrement of an ungulate. do you suppose, that God gave Adam a choice in his compnionship? that he could have picked any animal to be his helper around the garden, like a dog, or a cat like today? that he could have chosen a non human companion? yes, he could have, and God gave him this choice, knowing that well, Eve would eat the fruit, and then adam, and then bam! end of perfect relation with God? what you need to see is that God doesn't want puppets randomly adoring him without free will. he gave adam a choice to have a non human companion. he chose to have one. God accomodated that. he had a choice. God didn't forget anything.
strike 3.
wait, lets give more some tries.
oh wait. this load of BS is summed up by God giving a choice to his creation again:
"#2: God has to fix up his creation as he goes, and he would certainly not be very satisfied with the disobedience of that primordial couple. (funny thing that an omniscient god would forget things)"
yeah, funny thing that you are so superficial when after have gone to college. as for the order, let it be known that gensis is the only book in the bible writen as an alegory (i think thats the right word, like when you write a summation of something past, and not a narrative). so the "inconsistencies" are most likely a figure de style. the one thing i know is that when it says about the desolate earth and the creation of adam, the emphasis was bruoght on how little there was where he was at time. which is why God made a garden especially for adam.
and simon, that is it for you. you ahve done nothing to even deserve any kind of intelligent discussion froma nyone. you ahve not stayed on course, you take your little cheap shots and want to boost your ego. as far as i am conscerned, i needn't continue to argue with you. you aren't worth the effort.
good day
- Patty
*NS Skateboarders* Vas y il l'a cassé!
religion without science is lame, science without religion is blind - Albert Einstein
for starters: elohim means the Gods. nice one. but do you remeber what God is? Father, Son and Holy Spirit. here it is used to show that all parts of God are present when it comes to creating the world.
strike one.
"How orderly were things created?
#1: Step-by-step. The only discrepancy is that there is no Sun or Moon or stars on the first three "days"."
well, lets thing about this. do you need to see a moon for there to be night? do you need to see the stars for the darkness to be there? answer: no. don't you think very well could have made light and have it shine on the earth, and it being round and spinning, make it so that there is darkness and light at the same time on the same planet that we know tday and that is happening right now as we speak, and that this alternation of light and darkness be called night and day, and that we we decided to, he could fix the light from a source and create a reflector for it at night? i hardly think this would have been a problem an omnipotent God.
strike 2.
"#2: God fixes things up as he goes. The first man is lonely, and is not satisfied with animals. God finally creates a woman for him. (funny thing that an omniscient god would forget things)" what a load of biased excrement of an ungulate. do you suppose, that God gave Adam a choice in his compnionship? that he could have picked any animal to be his helper around the garden, like a dog, or a cat like today? that he could have chosen a non human companion? yes, he could have, and God gave him this choice, knowing that well, Eve would eat the fruit, and then adam, and then bam! end of perfect relation with God? what you need to see is that God doesn't want puppets randomly adoring him without free will. he gave adam a choice to have a non human companion. he chose to have one. God accomodated that. he had a choice. God didn't forget anything.
strike 3.
wait, lets give more some tries.
oh wait. this load of BS is summed up by God giving a choice to his creation again:
"#2: God has to fix up his creation as he goes, and he would certainly not be very satisfied with the disobedience of that primordial couple. (funny thing that an omniscient god would forget things)"
yeah, funny thing that you are so superficial when after have gone to college. as for the order, let it be known that gensis is the only book in the bible writen as an alegory (i think thats the right word, like when you write a summation of something past, and not a narrative). so the "inconsistencies" are most likely a figure de style. the one thing i know is that when it says about the desolate earth and the creation of adam, the emphasis was bruoght on how little there was where he was at time. which is why God made a garden especially for adam.
and simon, that is it for you. you ahve done nothing to even deserve any kind of intelligent discussion froma nyone. you ahve not stayed on course, you take your little cheap shots and want to boost your ego. as far as i am conscerned, i needn't continue to argue with you. you aren't worth the effort.
good day
- Patty
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