Site where jesus cure the blind man was found.

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in jerusalem, the site where jesus cured blindness was found. how sick is that? a ton of ppl thought that it did not exist, but i guess everything is being found these days.

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That's pretty cool. How can they be sure?

If it ever calms down over near Israel I'd like to visit.

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thats freakin sweet, i wonder how they found it

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How can they prove that it's the site where he did that?

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Yeah, you can provide us with links to legit sources anytime.

Also: just because they may know that Jesus was at a certain spot where a specific story developed (him curing blindness) doesn't mean he actually cured or did anything. If the fact that he was merely there is "evidence" for a miracle, you don't really need anything to believe in his powers because his existence, under this premise, constitutes miracles.

Seem highly illogical to me.

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But when has Faith ever been logical?

They probaly just found the town where it happened. Not the exact location. So it makes sense that they would say "where he cured the blind man" because they can be sure of the name of the town from the bible and the name of the town they found through their reasearch. I dont think they are saying "Proof Jesus gave a blind man back his sight" Just Where it supposedly happened.

Although, I did a google and couldnt find anything about it.

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http://www.religionnewsblog.com/11950/Biblical-Pool-of-Siloam-Uncovered-in-Jerusalem

[Archeology]

Biblical Pool of Siloam Uncovered in Jerusalem

Los Angeles Times, USA

Aug. 9, 2005

Thomas H. Maugh II, Times Staff Writer

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The reservoir served as a gathering place for Jews making pilgrimages and is said in the Gospel of John to be the site where Jesus cured a blind man.

Workers repairing a sewage pipe in the Old City of Jerusalem have discovered the biblical Pool of Siloam, a freshwater reservoir that was a major gathering place for ancient Jews making religious pilgrimages to the city and the reputed site where Jesus cured a man blind from birth, according to the Gospel of John.

The pool was fed by the now famous Hezekiah's Tunnel and is "a much grander affair" than archeologists previously believed, with three tiers of stone stairs allowing easy access to the water, said Hershel Shanks, editor of the Biblical Archaeology Review, which reported the find Monday.

"Scholars have said that there wasn't a Pool of Siloam and that John was using a religious conceit" to illustrate a point, said New Testament scholar James H. Charlesworth of the Princeton Theological Seminary. "Now we have found the Pool of Siloam … exactly where John said it was."

A gospel that was thought to be "pure theology is now shown to be grounded in history," he said.

Religious law required ancient Jews to make a pilgrimage to Jerusalem at least once a year, said archeologist Ronny Reich of the University of Haifa, who excavated the pool. "Jesus was just another pilgrim coming to Jerusalem," he said. "It would be natural to find him there."

The newly discovered pool is less than 200 yards from another Pool of Siloam, this one a reconstruction built between AD 400 and 460 by the Empress Eudocia of Byzantium, who oversaw the rebuilding of several biblical sites.

The site of yet another Pool of Siloam, which predated the version reputedly visited by Jesus, is still unknown.

That first pool was constructed in the 8th century BC by Judean King Hezekiah, who foresaw the likelihood that the Assyrians would lay siege to Jerusalem and knew a safe water supply would be required to survive the attack.

He ordered workers to build a 1,750-foot-long tunnel under the ridge where the City of David was located. The tunnel connected Gihon Spring in the adjacent Kidron Valley to the side of Jerusalem less vulnerable to an attack.

The first Pool of Siloam was the reservoir holding the water brought into the city. It was presumably destroyed in 586 BC when Babylonian King Nebuchadnezzar razed the city.

The pool of Jesus' time was built early in the 1st century BC and was destroyed by the future Roman Emperor Titus about AD 70.

The pool was discovered by a repair team excavating a damaged sewer line last fall under the supervision of Eli Shukron of the Israel Antiquities Authority. As soon as Shukron saw two steps uncovered, he stopped the work and called in Reich, who was excavating at the Gihon Spring.

When they saw the steps, Shukron said, "we were 100% sure it was the Siloam Pool."

With winter approaching, the two men had to hurry their excavation so the sewer could be repaired before the rainy season.

As they began digging they uncovered three groups of five stairs each separated by narrow landings. The pool was about 225 feet long, and they unearthed steps on three sides.

They do not yet know how wide and how deep the pool was because they have not finished the excavation. The fourth side lies under a lush garden — filled with figs, pomegranates, cabbages and other fruits — behind a Greek Orthodox Church, and the team has not yet received permission to cut a trench through the garden.

"We need to know how big it is," Charlesworth said. "This may be the most significant and largest miqveh [ritual bath] ever found."

The excavators have been able to date the pool fairly precisely because of two fortunate occurrences that implanted unique artifacts in the pool area.

When ancient workmen were plastering the steps before facing them with stones, they either accidentally or deliberately buried four coins in the plaster. All four are coins of Alexander Jannaeus, a Jewish king who ruled Jerusalem from 103 to 76 BC. That provides the earliest date at which the pool could have been constructed.

Similarly, in the soil in one corner of the pool, they found about a dozen coins dating from the period of the First Jewish Revolt against Rome, which lasted from AD 66 to 70. That indicates the pool had begun to be filled in by that time.

Because the pool sits at one of the lowest spots in Jerusalem, rains flowing down the valley deposited mud into it each winter. It was no longer being cleaned out, so the pool quickly filled with dirt and disappeared, Shanks said.

The story of Jesus and the blind man, as told in John, is well known. Jesus was fleeing the Temple to escape either the priests or an angry crowd when he encountered the man. His disciples asked Jesus who had sinned, the man or his parents, to cause him to be born blind.

Jesus said that neither had sinned, but that the man had been born blind so that God's work might be revealed in him. With that, he spat in the dust to make mud, which he rubbed in the man's eyes before telling him to wash it off in the Pool of Siloam. When the man did so, he was able to see.

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thats pretty awsome

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Never.

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As much have my beliefs about religion, and am a "catholic", I still don't practice all the beliefs and ways of the catholic church, and have formed my own opinions and beliefs about faith.

As for me bringing 1/2 of an argument about catholicism and faith and religion to newschoolers, a freeskiing website, I just won't do that. Yes Jesus was a real person, that is a fact, as for him being the son of god, a miracle worker, and dieing for peoples sin's, that's where the religion and faith come into play.

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that wasn't the point of Apple's question, it was rhetorical. it defies logic, because faith starts where logic cannot help.

if you mean religion and beliefs never making sense, that Faith, i think you would find that to be incorrect as well.

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Well no one ever addressed my point, hence why we're apparently debating shit we all agree on.

My point was that it illogical to presume that becuase we know jesus went to a specific location that he managed to cure blindness.

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its crazy to think about. especially garden of eden if they ever find that im going there

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haha thats funny but almostaskiiers posst about how fairth is where logic is left off is so ture you need faith were logic leaves off and plus you gotta have faith in order to belive in something rite

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I thought that I addressed your point in my first post when i basicly said that "No one has made any link between the discovery of this site and It being proof Jesus preformed miricals - only that This is the site where the bible says these events took place"

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yeah, but faith has never been proven. its something man came up with for peice of mind. thats all. man came up with it along time ago and now people just believe in it without question because thats how its been done for years. the bible is a farce...i studied it for a year in college. back then man came up with all of these crazy ass stories, which constantly contradict themselves, because they had no science to prove anything. thats why people dont come up with ideas as such nowadays....science will easily disprove it and people wont consider it.

 
right, ok, say you studied it in college.

tell me, where does the Bible contradict itself? do you have any specific examples of this, do you have any proof from outside sources that go along with this? thats a pretty big claim, that the Bible is a total farce... who are you to say? have you studied it your whole college years? are you still critically analizing it? have you been in contact with other Bible scholars to discuss historical accuracy of the texts? have you talked to evangelists and masters in theology to test their logic? do you have your own researched book on it? is it recognized by your peers? how could i not have heard of you if you ahve proven the Bible to be false?

or have you made up your mind about your own interpretation of what you studied and decided that your point of view is the end of all truth, and that your laballing of the Bible as farce is the exclamation point to end the book of religious debate?

honestly, man. Although it is a point of view and an interpretation of what the Bible could be, and explanation for what man cannot understand, how can you speak in absolutes? if all these things in the Bible did happen, and you cannot say they didn't with certainty, doesn't that have some consequence today? could it be that Christians don't swallow everything that is thrown at them? that we are as brainwashed as the average person?

sorry about the rant, but a paragraph long post cannot get rid of Biblical legitimacy.

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Yeah, I wasn't referring to you really. We're in agreement I think.

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oh yeah.

and science will prove it wrong. right, well this thread has to do with a place, mentionned and positionned in the Bible that people thought didn't exist, but does. Score one for biblical accuracy.

Another point for biblical accuracy (this is secondhand info): the Apollo space mission was calculating and triangulating trajectories to get to the Moon. But when all the math was done, the moon was not where it should have been. it was way off. the math was all right though, so it was pretty baffling. then a programmer took out his Bible. In it, it says that God has moved the sun twice. the first to help Isreal win a battle before the end of the day, and the second i forget, about a kings reign or life being extended, in Daniel. anyways, when they calculated the immense caluculations of how far it would have to be moved to add that much time to a day, then to a life, the camculations ligned up, the Moon was where it was supposed to be.

as for the Miracles, well, these are eye witness accounts from many people, which make up most of history, so can be deemed to be accurate. roman historians have been par with the Bible transcription of events in Jesus' time.

science cannot disprove anything of spiritual nature mind you. that would be like a heresy to "Science" to delve into things beyond its observational capacities.

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is that apollo thing true?

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i was told by a friend of mine who is into that kind of stuff. i trust that it is true.

- Patty

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found a site that talks about it. this guy doesn't understand what is meant i believe, he makes the wrong conclusions, OF COURSE GOD MOVING THE SUN BACK IS A SIGN OF HIS POWER and further more its a biblical happening that has been proven through "science"

"36. Have computers discovered the biblical ‘long days’?

The report that computers have discovered the biblical 'long days' continues to be told but is unfounded. It is challenged here because false ideas should never be used to "support" Scripture. Furthermore, the computer story appears to raise modern science to a level of certainty that it does not possess.

As printed in tracts and magazines, the story describes a problem that scientists faced in the space program. Apparently a missing day turned up in the computer positions for the sun and moon over the past centuries. These celestial bodies were not quite where they belonged! The key to the problem was then found in the Old Testament. Mathematical corrections seemed to be needed for the "long days" of Joshua and Hezekiah (Josh. 10:13, 2 Kings 20:11). These events, when inserted into the computer, made everything turn out exactly right. "

http://www.answersingenesis.org/Docs/399.asp

- Patty

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the NASA thing may be a rumor, but the rest of his calculations do tend to prove my point.

- Patty

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wait wait, i have joke: you have mother, and she is very fat! ha ha ha!
 
another funny apollo mission tidbit...nasa was super concerned that with their current rate at which all the dust particles from space settled on the moon, the space shuttle would just sink in tens and tens of feet when it landed. to respond to this problem, they built special landing pads on the bottom of the lunar landing capsule, so it could distribute all the weight around, allowing it to stay afloat. after all, they were talking about billions of years worth of dust here. however, when the lunar capsule landed, there was only a few inches worth of dust, and everyone was perplexed. even neal armstrong, after his famous phrases, kept going on and on about the lack of dust on the moon's surface. all in all, it fits perfectly with the biblical point of view.

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almostskier.....i go to college in cambridge, no i'm not a rich prick, but no i'm not a dumbass. i've had some pretty awesome professors. my first bible class i took was actually taught by a guy that is a christian. however, he has been researching the soundness of the bible for about 20 years now and he has come to the conclusion that it is mostly stories of fiction that real men wrote based on what they believed. first off you have to understand, there is NO original bible. that said, we only have copies of copies of copies of copies etc etc. back in the day, only priests were qualified to transcribe the bible as there was no print back then. ergo its obvious that this was not a failsafe method of making copies. some priests left out entire passages, while others created new passages to further support their beliefs. over the years the bible has changed alot. so that must be considered. secondly, there are COUNTLESS contradictions in the bible. i was actually disappointed by this because i, as you, had my own beliefs. i can provide you with as many specific examples as you wish upon your request. in careful study you can also notice different tones. the bible states that it was created by men who wrote down what God told them to write. if this is true, then God must have some serious mood swings for a supernatural figure. during the course of my first bible class there was countless complaints and emotional arguments from students almost frightened by what they were learning because it was so obvious. at the end of the semester the professor basically said if you study and believe exactly what the bible says then you are not a very smart person. he said for him, it comes down to faith, not driven by the words of the bible, but instead by whats inside of him.

 
im sorry, but i don't recall calling you a prick or an idiot.

and yes, i have requested proofs and specific examples of these countless inconsistencies.

as for the teacher, if you don't believe that the Bible is the inspired Word of God, then what does he have to know God?

i am very doubtful as to wether your tecaher knows so much when it comes to there being No original Bible. i highly doubt this. very highly doubt this.

- Patty

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wait wait, i have joke: you have mother, and she is very fat! ha ha ha!
 
The Bible is riddled with repetitions and contradictions, things that the Bible bangers would be quick to point out in anything that they want to criticize. For instance, Genesis 1 and 2 disagree about the order in which things are created, and how satisfied God is about the results of his labors. The flood story is really two interwoven stories that contradict each other on how many of each kind of animal are to be brought into the Ark--is it one pair each or seven pairs each of the "clean" ones? The Gospel of John disagrees with the other three Gospels on the activities of Jesus Christ (how long had he stayed in Jerusalem--a couple of days or a whole year?) and all four Gospels contradict each other on the details of Jesus Christ's last moments and resurrection. The Gospels of Matthew and Luke contradict each other on the genealogy of Jesus Christ' father; though both agree that Joseph was not his real father. Repetitions and contradictions are understandable for a hodgepodge collection of documents, but not for some carefully constructed treatise, reflecting a well-thought-out plan.

 
the only way they proved that it was the actual site and that the date corresponds wasn't because of coins.. no..

it was because they found the markings

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I'd like to see some of these contradictions you're talking about. please be specific so I can looke them up.

 
"The Gospels of Matthew and Luke contradict each other on the genealogy of Jesus Christ' father; though both agree that Joseph was not his real father" to this i will say: duh. Jesus was born into the family of David, was therefore a descendant of David, but not directly by blood, since he was born of the Holy Spirit in Mary. Joseph was his "legal guardian"

im saddenned though, that you didn't put any verses in there for me to look up and verify their validity.

when it comes to repitition, that was a jewish way of emphasis. the countless repetitions of parenthood show the importance of such things.

and yes, this hodgepodge IS an assembled piece of documents, ranging at least 2000 years. It is the story of Gods people, in several books, written by people filled of the Holy Spirit and who have transcribed his Word. It shows God's Plan and His Story (history, ha ha), but its not linear the whole way.

Also, the Gospels do not contradict each other, so much as they complement i would say. In the essentials, do they stray from the message Jesus gave them? hardly.

also, when it comes to the Flood, i don't know the passge, i need that one, but from what i read: 2 pairs of each plus/and 7 pairs of the clean ones is not a contradiction.

my main beef with that is that the Bible does not contradict its self on its message. thats final, it doesn't sway on the message.

also, there is stuff i don't get about the Bible. Heck, maybe i am wrong about the inconsistencies. but my faith in the Bible does not sway when i don't understand some random occurence in the Bible. to those i answer: well so what? but if it swayed on its message, of slavation and grace, then i would be worried. it has shown to be so reliabke to so many people i know, including myself, that in the Big Picture, there is no doubt in my mind.

- Patty

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wait wait, i have joke: you have mother, and she is very fat! ha ha ha!
 
and its bed time over here in sweden. i forgot to add, since its irrelevant, that im 16.

lanks, take over...

- Patty

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wait wait, i have joke: you have mother, and she is very fat! ha ha ha!
 
jesus is just the david blaine of 2000 years ago

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pretty much......only not as good as david blane. imagine that guy if he lived 2000 yrs ago...people would have wrote a "bible" about him and his life as well. he would have been worshipped

 
My only question about all of this is when did these event happen, With the changing of the lenght of the day? I ask because the Mayans in 1000bc had a 365.24 day calandar, Which is the same as the one that we use today. How does that factor in?

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this is why there will always be an ongoing debate whether there is a god or not. and why i no longer debate either side

 
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yeah its amazing what believe.

jews are still waiting for jesus (the real son of God)

christians are waiting for him to come again

mormons think he already came again........

people believe what ever it takes for piece of mind. leave it to the human race to come up with so many flavors of religion just to suit everyones tastes.

 
translation

yeah its amazing what believe.

jews (morons)are still waiting for jesus (the real son of God)

christians (morons) are waiting for him to come again

mormons (morons) think he already came again........

morons think that humans are the reason the earth was created

morons think that the universe was created for humans

morons believe everything in the bible

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Actually it was 365.22, hehe.

Good question though.

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