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Yo Smuggs, I agree with you man. Riding any motor around just really isn't really athletic. I mean its cool and all, I guess..but I don't really think its a sport. SKating, biking, skiing, baseball and basket ball are sports.

But it is cool what they do on motorcycles, that whip was fresh and that air was big!
 
word.

I agree with you, although I think skiing, skating, biking, etc. are more lifestyle sports. I have ridden ATV's, motocycles, and snowmobiles, all requiring skill, and snow machines kick my ass. but I wouldn't consider them a real sport. its more of a lifestyle sport, or extreme sport you could say. like x-games type shit. I like to watch and follow all these sports, but more so the stuff not requiring a motor and gas to have fun. I like to use gravity and my own body to go fast, its more natural. like surfing, another one of my favorite "sports".
 
well responding to that part, the rest had by motox racers and quad racers is very little. baseball players are flown to their fields so thats a day of traveling, whereas every motox/quad racer drives... even ricky charmicheal did. not to mention it doesnt have an off season. may not be televised but races are going on constantly. the series is rediculous and not to mention a lot of athletes are crossovers meaning that they run this race series say on a 250, but then they go and race a different race series on a 125. i hate to say it but aside from pitchers in baseball, no one comes close to experiencing the wear and tear on the body as moto-x racers.
 
I'll have a cliff notes section for people at the bottom of the post, but please read before trying to make any intelligent responses. I dont have time to effectively map out a simply laid out argument, so i'll rant.

J_Rogan's comment there sums it up for the view on motorsports in the country. Many find it tedius and retarded making left turns around a track for 500 laps, and those which are a majority of the public, really have no idea what it takes to perform at that level on a racetrack. I will outline a few points of the way i see.

To start out I'll put it out there that I race cars (speedway oval) around the country during the summer, im a national champion, but not at the nascar level, but its stock car races none the less. I've met with many of the top racers (nascar, irl, and more) in many different disciplines, and really saying its not a sport is quite inaccurate, just hear me out.

1. Many people have no idea what it takes, and what its like to race a professional sanctioned race car.
Every jonny hofuckin-who ha has played baseball or softball at one age or another, and thrown a football, or had to run in gym class. Sports such as those are a lot easier to appreciate having done it and seen what it would take to perform at the highest levels. Most individuals will never have the chance to drive around a racetrack turning left for 500 laps, and what most imagine the experience is like couldn't even comprehend what it is. Going to daytona and diving into the turn 1 turning left at 195mph is NOTHING like speeding going 70 around a bend in your 97 saturn, or playing nascar 2008 on your ps3 or arcade, or driving a go-kart at the local fun park. Pushing a standard car to its limits before its bite (grip) potential is exceeded is a lot different that pushing a car thats made to serve this purpose. I guarantee if you drove a car, or let alone participated in a ride along program, when you hit top speed and dove into the turn, feeling the amount of g's your pullin at that speed, and dancing on the line between speed and out control is indescribable (if thats a word). Nascar may seem boring like sunday drive, but when you got the most talented racer in the business out there, yeah, it probably will look boring and easy, cause they know exactly what they need to do.

A man at my work was a critic of motorsports, and finally drove a stock car on vacation in florida, and he came back and described it as no other adrenaline rush he has ever had, no other "high" could compare.

2."you dont see any 16 year olds in baseball" These are two different sports, and i'll go into the physical demands of racing. Just to hint the environment, go outside now in all of your winter gear, in the hot sun and try to do something physical. yes theres new hydrating technology and tubes of cool water that run throughout your driving suit, but many times you are to the point of passing out. "pssh its probably just like sitting in the old escalade going down the highway, how physical can it be?" You can't comprehend how much energy it takes, to just sit still. Mentally, you are always thinking, always, always, always, in a state of complete concentration(if you wanna be the best i guess).. the car handling, track position, driving line(i could write a book on how to drive, but no one would care).. team mates, track tempature, oil levels, tire preserving, tire tempatures, chassis dynamics(cambers, castors, ackermans, wedge, left side weight, transfer speeds....much more. "but thats what their technicians are for, well they can't fix it if they dont know exactly what happening on the track with all of it. Racing isn't about brute strength, its tough, and 50% of the racers don't win every weekend like alot of other sports, theres one winner in the race, and if ya ain't first, you're last. You need stamina to make the 500 laps, its thinking so hard...well about everything, and hitting your marks is so draining. driving the tracks perfectly is so difficult when every 1/100th of a second counts, every single one. Young guns are being started in driver development programs at a very young age, 6, some even "bred to race"

3. a couple of posts above, someone mentioned that the "motor does the work." Now a days in professional racing, that couldn't be farther from the truth, looking at it from a different perspective. Like skiing, could we do it without skis? skis to skiing are the same as motors in motorsports. Motors dont make the chassis and the driver a champion, and skis dont make the skier a professional. Could a baseball playing really hit a 500' homerun with the side of his arm instead of a bat, no, does that mean that the bat does all the work? obviously not, its how you use it.
with racing at the high level of technology it is today, the motor that everyone has is like a pair of shoes in....lets a mile run. When you get to the high end basic running shoes, yes some fit you better, but going from a nike to a new balance shoe, are you really gonna run a 15 second faster mile, everything else equal?

I DONT FEEL LIKE WRITING ANY MORE SO IM GONNA END THIS PORTION...so for any smaller more focused arguments or discussions, ill gladly go more indepth.

NASCAR AND MOTORSPORTS HURT THE ENVIRONMENT

you know, i dont disagree with you, something needs to be done, i don't enjoy hurting the environment, motorsports is an american way of life for some (i dont think that), a passion for others, its something thats engrained in our society. it evolved decades ago when gas was low, and no one gave a shit about the environment, and now its here to stay, one of the most popular sports in america, the future may change this, we'll see.

many of my friends don't necessarily agree with racing, but after actually seeing what goes into it, they don't see it as any less of a physical activity, for it being a "sport", fuck who cares, its a division of it. work out and train tuesday, wednesday, thursday, practice at track/qualifying friday, practice/train saturday, race sunday, monday off day/ meetings. start over.

cliff notes: many in america cannot relate to or even comprehend what its like and what it takes to drive a professional race car.

yeah, it may not make any sense, i havent proof read, but you might get the point. end.

 
i dont know, i just get quite annoyed when its said that racing or motorsports requires no skill, and it happens often.
 
lol, I even put that in my post, because I knew you little pussys were gona compare a little ball flying at you to 500lb machines. It's very obvious who has riden a dirtbike and who's only been on an electric scooter. Swing a baseball bat as hard as you fucking can I mean your absolute maximum, pretty intense right? Now drive a motorcycle as fast as you can.
 
I dont even want to get into this topic but I will. You are a COMPLETE IDIOT if you dont think these are sports. I am guessing you have never ridden a dirtbike in your life and if you have you probably have not raced competively. Dirtbiking is the most grueling sports out there. I'm not just sayig that from what i have seen but from personal experience. Go out and ride in a race with 30 other people and hit doubles/triples/tables in 90-110 degree heat. I gaurantee that you could not ride more than 5 laps even in a practice heat before you would have to take a break. I have never sweat as much as I do when i dirtbike and thats not only because of all the gear. Take a look at how most racers are built.

you cant even begin to call dirtbiking not a sport..

the phsyical build of the racer is critical...they work out, lift, run, ride and train harder than almost any other athletes out there. Try whipping around a 200-300lb bike in the air it is not some easy shit.
 
Game , Set, Match...

Moto x is way harder than baseball.. your all on Crack... Do you have any idea how fit Chad reed and James Stewart are.... they train 6 days a week, 2 hours + in the gym , road bike for 20kms + a day and ride 3 to 5 times a week...

as for you smuggs your a fukin loser.. with no comebacks and a tiny penis.. do the world a favour go play in traffic.

hahah your fail again .. haha and again haha and again get a life .. or even better buy a shot gun and shoot your self...
 
the baseball hall of fame is the most elite hall of fame in all of sports. so regardless of what you think obviously it takes more athleticism and skill to be a professional baseball player.

and I never said moto riders don't beat thier body up more or whatever people are saying. its just not a team sport, more of a lifestyle or "extreme" sport. and yes those guys are in phenominal shape, but not as much of an athlete. if you put baseball players and moto riders in a game of anything involving a ball, swimming, running, or even riding a bike, like a triathlon, I bet the baseball players would peform better. i.e. better athlete.
 
Please just stop posting, your arguments are retarded. Go play baseball, seriously none of us care at all.
 
there is no way that any baseball athletes are as fit. on a bike, at running or are better athletes than Chad Reed or JAmes bubba stewart... I have a friend that now races AMa in the states Daniel Reardon and and he used to ride his road bike 30km (pushbike.)+ 5 days a week, 2 hour gym sessions 6 days a week and rode his bike 4 x a week then raced on weekends. and thats when he was racing here in Australia . he would run rings around 90% of baseball players..they must have 2 trainiers 1 personal and 1 on track .. and saying basball is the most elite hall of fame.. please the usa a few latin american countries and japan follow baseball thats it.. there are a million sports that are way harder to go pro at,... like Moto x, soccer, surfing, ect ect..

moto x takes soo much skill and fitness at the top level .. there flat 5th gear pinned alot of the race for 20 + laps in 40 degree + heat..+ the track changes all the time, you have 29 other guys to worry about rocks, mud.. changing tracks, whoop sections...

baseballers stand around and catch a fukin ball like cave men.. this is a battle you cant win.. while baseball requires alot of skill.// its not nearly on the level of AMA supercross or motorcross....

if you have a problem go ask a sports scientist which athletes are fitter and i promise you he or she will say soccer athletes are 1st then moto x.. then the road racers and triathletes.. becasue moto x requires stamina and amazingly quick reflexes for a tlme period
 
"hello, my name is josh creamer and i eat bitches like you for breakfast and for 1/1000th the money."

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the fact that this thread turned into a legitimate argument of baseball vs motocross fitness requirements says a lot about the battle of intellects going on in here.
 
oooooowwwwww its sooooo hard to push down a throttle. trying hitting a baseball going more then 90mph with a wooden stick. I bet all you guys lovin up motor sports couldn't do it, and neither could these burly riders. so what takes more skill? thats all I am trying to prove.

you think amazing hand eye coordination just comes out of nowwhere? NO, it has to be developed when your a child, or it pretty much doesn't happen. why do you think baseball players and golfers get paid soooooo much? you think anybody can do that shit? give me a fuckin break. you little pussies couldn't even get a piece of that ball, you would be swingin at air all day long. and if you did if would proabaly go foul. or you'd get beamed cuz your standing in the stike zone. meanwhile my fuckin old man can jump on his motorcyle and keep up with plently of good riders, including my friend who races professionally and has broken many a bones and workouts daily. pushing down a throttle is not that hard, sorry. just give it up. it takes more skill to hit a baseball in a professional league then it does to perform in top moto sports. even though both parties show amazing abilities. and hitting the baseball is only ONE part of the game.

 
alright man this whole argument is completly off topic from the thread creators post but here i go,

again no hate towards motorsports, im just pointing out facts about baseball. you try so hard to downplay the difficulty that goes into baseball, and really i have no idea what you were talking about in the last part of your post, you can stand in the batters box all day swinging as hard as you can and not hit a damn thing. it just takes so much skill to follow and then connect with a ball. and yes, having to handle a 500lb. machine must be hard and take some guts, but i can think of six people who have been killed by pitches. like i said standing still and waiting on a curve to break while you would swear to god that the ball is going to catch you in the face puts some pressure on you. and sometimes it wont break, then youre fucked. if youve ever been to a highschool baseball game and seen a pitcher with a good curve you will be seeing guys ducking out all day. back to the skill it takes, a 90mph fastball coming at you is literally as fast as the blink of an eye, it takes .458 seconds to reach home. at those speeds it looks about like the point on a pencil if you held it up at arms length.

and i guess i have to say it again because you didnt seem to understand me:

1. Im sure that one could point out the difficulties of motorsports that makes them hard too. im just talking about what i know. I really dont understand the hate in this thread.

2. Both sports at high levels are extremely difficult.

3. You have to be in tremendous shape for both. they both are very physically demanding.

4. Maybe most importantly, they are as different as they could possibly be and i dont know why people are even comparing them.
 
A hardworking man has reached a great accomplishment in his life and all you guys can do is argue over who is stronger???
 
yah we know simon kills it.

and I never said baseball players are stronger, but I would. do you think a motorcross rider has enough power and skill to swing a bat precise enough to hit a little ball out of the ballpark. a homerun in professional baseball seems like nothing to ignorant folks. but I would like to see any moto sports person hit a homerun in a MLB park with a wooden bat. even the most elite college players wouldn't hack it and still use metal bats.

my original arguement is that it takes more SKILL to be a professional baseball player. not they aren't as strong as some moto people. it takes more more skill and ahtleticism to run around a field, catch balls hundreds of feet away, throw that ball at amazing distances will such precise aim in a moments notice. its takes incredible agility to go from standing still to what those guys have to do as soon as that ball leaves the pitchers hand. thats why I like baseball, cuz all of a sudden it goes from calm to chaos. and if your not ready your going to lose the game. I liked to see a a moto person scoop up the grounder or line-drive past third and make the throw to first in time. HA! and I bet some of those baseball players ride motorcycles and might even be better then your sorry ass. so shut the FUCK UP!
 
your a retard if you think baseball requires more skill than AMA motorcross.. lets see you hit an 80 foot tripplle then slow down to a 30 foot double then hit another tripple.. you have no idea... your the ignorant one.. riding a motor bikle at that speed over those transitions, and jumps while 29 other people are around you and full speed is way harder than hitting a fukin ball.. basball players might be stronger ,, thats casue there all roided out. yay ! awesome sport hit a ball run around a bunch of bases... as opposed to moto and super x... there is no comparision.. you just are very unenlightened to how hard AMA is now.. very un enlightned
 
OK to clear something up here. The hardest thing to do in baseball is hit major league pitching the best hitters in the world succeed 1/3 of at bats when given multiple pitches to hit. Compare this with hitting a motocross jump or completing a lap, the best in the world succeed 95% percent of the time or more. But on the other hand motocross is going to be a more physically tiring event than a baseball game due to the fact that baseball is not a constant exertion while motocross is. Guess what now it all comes down to the definition of athleticism. Some people think its just whoever is in better shape in the better athlete while others think it is more along the lines of coordination/agility. Depending on what camp you are in you are going to disagree between to activities that live on different ends of the spectrum.
 
looking at it another way, 95% of people can run 100 meters....does that make a track star any less of an athlete? Its all about how well you can complete that lap or 100 meters.
 
Good point. But I guess the motocross needed some better clarification. I am gonna admit that I know more about what is difficult in baseball but also have always thought that comparing athletes from different sports as to which is more athletic is about how you define athletic. If hand-eye coordination is more important than stamina than baseball players would tend to be more athletic, on the other hand if you base your definition of athletic on stamina being more important than hand-eye coordination than motocross guys will generally come out on top. The point is without a standard weight of the three components that traditionally make up athleticism(strength, agility, stamina) it is impossible to compare athletes that are strong in different categories and say which group is better overall. Baseball players excel in strength and agility whereas motocross professionals will excel in strength and stamina.
 
Look at the picture, the deck of the qp was at least 30-40 ft off the ground. I really can't explain why the tower starts at 25, but I can guarantee that they didn't measure from the ground, that would be retarded.
 
I think it is funny how only Oakley athletes try the QP record.

First: Terje

Then: Simon

Now: That dude
 
i'm with you on that. An throwing a 9 tail. Thats just insane. I no about half of the people on NS hate him but i give him props
 
thats gotta be measured from the ground, not the deck. sumont looks way higher off the deck. if you add in the height of the quarter pipe dumont hit, he is higher in both aspects.
 
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