Govygen_gourmet
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14023829:pjbagel said:
Try 30 and even 40
Sierra Quitiquit is freaks out over a meme
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Try 30 and even 40
DominatorJacques
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14024072:dirtydarbs said:
Wow. That's a brave statement. My hope is that more females will show up to contest that pay equal.
It is sad when few enter and get the automatic prize money, yet to make the prize money equal seems to be the thing to do.
It's going to take time for real change to happen. The equal prize money is the first step to create the change.
Males vs males. Females vs females, yet equal prize money.
Brand endorsements are another story.
I respect you for voicing yourself here. Best to you.
1spliff2guinnies
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Male body and female body = different. I don't want to watch everyone doing the same things. I like watching men do scary dangerous things. I like watching girls in bikinis. What is harder to do in a vacuum?
BigPurpleSkiSuit
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Personally I found that to be the biggest issue with steve stepp's livestream. You cant just rule out talking about how men throw bigger tricks and attract more viewership because of it. People like watching more amazing things. A 900 is less impressive than a triple cork.
supersquid
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14023510:Andy03 said:
because their tricks arent as big,why watch a girl cork 10 when you can watch a guy triple. If girls threw bigger tricks than guys, guys would be paid less. Not about equality, its about who brings more value to a company.
14024229:BigPurpleSkiSuit said:
I agree with this but at the same time, women’s slope has been progressing a ton lately and I’ve found it pretty exciting to see what comes next for them. With women starting to double, its cool to see who does what this year at x games/dew tour etc. Men no doubt are doing objectively more difficult skill, but women are seeing more progression at this point which I’ve found more exciting. I hope that makes sense. Of course, this is coming from an “active” viewer and not someone just passively watching so this may not be as impactful for the broader audience.
coolflash8
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I dont know what to say other than her last name is quitiquit which is dumb, and she's dumb, and zane kushman is the shit, and memecork shouldn't have engaged with this feminist psycho at all
SteveStepp
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14024229:BigPurpleSkiSuit said:
Two things here:
I didnt want to talk specifically about the gap in skill as a indicator of potential pay gap because, as 'entertainers', individual skiers draw in viewership/revenue/sales in different ways, and Sierra (even myself, or Andy parry) is a good example of it. Regardless of the gap in skill, which we know exists, sales in the industry arent specifically predicated on skill. This was the Floyd Maywether example. It also coincides with my belief that women work just as hard as men in terms of training and learning new tricks, so its not a good gauge of "who deserves more" since males/females work equally hard.
I agree that people like to watch more amazing things, and it very well might be a factor, but the larger factor at play is the participation rates among females. But even still, we cant say for sure that women as a whole will become more interested in watching skiing if they field of female skiers suddenly started throwing down super hard.
Personally i think using skill as a reason why women get paid less isnt the full story.
BigPurpleSkiSuit
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I see, and discussing the skill gap leads to a one dimensional argument. I just found it to be a necessary point as more people go to an event like FIS big air in park city to see the men throw triples than the women throw 9s. Both are amazing in their own right but the major draw to the general public at an event like that is the men. Thanks for that livestream, it was fascinating to hear you and maddie discuss the issue at hand.
14024307:SteveStepp said:
TOAST.
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14024155:DominatorJacques said:
About 5 years ago we had a local rail jam and i think 1st place male got $1000 and first place female got $500. Not one women skier entered so that prize money went untouched. Can't say we didnt advertise it well since we had a good amount of female snowboarders from a bunch of different mountains and they were very entertaining to watch. If we had the prize money at $1000 for females I dont think there would have been an increase of female participants.
Govygen_gourmet
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“The toxicity of our City... OF OUR CITY”
if you’re 14 don’t even say shit that ya’ll don’t even kno about you shits
1spliff2guinnies
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14024323:TOAST. said:
It's almost as if women have different interests. Shock.
whackhouse
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All im gonna say is that i had never heard of Sierra before this whole debate. If i was more of a fuckboy I might have followed her.
John18_6
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There's no videos of her dropping a cliff bigger than 10 feet yet she posts pictures that look pretty sus of her dropping much larger ones... this first one i linked doesn't look real because the snow flying off her skis goes in a straight line and I don't see any takeoff points. Did she forget the basic laws of physics when she was photoshopping it??
https://www.instagram.com/p/Bnl9sj-j9ZQ/
https://www.instagram.com/p/Bnl9sj-j9ZQ/
CrackHead.
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14024529:john18061806 said:
you sir are a goddamn genius! after about 30 seconds of digging the only clip I can find thats comparable to that size is thishttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qirxr1be1_I
John18_6
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14024535:skiswerve said:
Oh shit!!! I didn't know she has actually hucked cliffs that large. Huge respect there. My bad for being a douche. Thank you for enlightening me. The photo I embedded definitely looks legit, but the linked one looks fishy. But damn she was so gnarly back in the day.
Such a shame that she's resorting to bikini pics over sending more massive drops like that, but hell if I was that hot I'd do the same. It's easier on your body.
Titus69
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14024529:john18061806 said:
I'd honestly say that's real cause she is kinda known for hucking big cliffs, the angle just makes this look weird I think, however it looks like shes going fucking huge for the amount of angle the slope has. Respect for the send, but nothing else.
John18_6
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14024549:Titus69 said:
yep, I'm just a little cuck that will never send anything that big. I don't doubt that either of the photos are real anymore. I wasn't really following skiing in the days that she was routinely going large so I'm just ignorant to that fact. Respect for the send. As for her gram: a skier shouldn't be marketing their body, they should market their skiing. Same thing goes for Gus these days. I guess whatever it takes to bankroll the ski trips though.
ReturnToMonkey
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14024552:john18061806 said:
Yeah but Gus still throws down so hard so he has current actions backing up whatever he says. Sierra? Idk man apparently she has potential to send but she doesn't sooo
CrackHead.
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14024545:john18061806 said:
huh? read that again dawg I agree w u I'm saying thats the only clip I can find I also believe it may be photoshopped
CrackHead.
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14024545:john18061806 said:
I can see how it looks sarcastic sorry
14024529:john18061806 said:
I don't see why you think that's photoshopped?
CrackHead.
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14024604:eheath said:
hitting em with the facts
dan38
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14024307:SteveStepp said:
Here's my problem with this argument because personally, I think the skill gap is the largest reason why they don't get paid equally. Here and with a lot of your fans Steve, we appreciate the nuances and technicality of tricks (like Kelly Sildaru doing switch 900's in both directions to win). That's really impressive. Unfortunately, the majority of viewers have no idea what a "pretz" or "unnatural" trick is. And sponsors aren't marketing to us, the "informed" park skiers, they're marketing to the largest fan base possible. This is done by finding the athletes the throw the flashiest tricks (Think someone like Jesper) rather than a woman, who is still doing difficult tricks but aren't as mindboggling to the average person.
SteveStepp
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14024619:dan38 said:
I do agree with you to a point. The only reason i didnt want to entertain that point was because usually when its brought up the conversation turns into:
"Girls suck, so yea pay them less"
Which like i said, is unproductive.
I think its a not as black and white as you are saying though, regarding flashy tricks the general audience. I think the crazy tricks help garner more general viewers overall, but i wanted to disregard the skill gap because if women as a whole were more interested in skiing they would be watching events either way.
An example might be, for me at least:
I would most likely tune into ANY freeskiing event if it were on TV. Even if it wasnt the wildest flashy tricks or the top name athletes, i would just be stoked to watch freeskiing because i love it. Take SLVSH for sub-example. By no means is every game flashy, and by no means is each game filled with the top 10 skiers in the world, but we all tune in and watch it anyways.
My larger point here is, if we can increase the general interest in skiing/freeskiing for the women in the general population, the the skill gap becomes irrelevant: they would be tuning into watch skiing because they love to watch it
14024668:Walka said:
That's not how it works, it doesn't distinguish users by their hardware, google monitors activity basically, it can see what sites you go to and use tons of other pieces of private data to determine at least your age range. This is all techy google shit that I'm not entirely educated about, but every website has access to these stats and everyone uses these stats to sell ads.
Andy03
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Yes but normally girls get started later with freestyle and we have a body deficite. Your reason isnt a real reason.
I can understand the competition reason of the guy who said only a few girls will compet but a lot of men but your reason isnt incomprehensable.
I can understand the competition reason of the guy who said only a few girls will compet but a lot of men but your reason isnt incomprehensable.
14024235:supersquid said:
Chubz.
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14024868:Andy03 said:
I mean girls can throw triples on aerial jumps and girl snowboarders are starting to throw triples so claiming that girls can't throw the same tricks because of their bodies isn't really valid in my eyes.. hell girls have thrown multiple doubles so i dont understand why they aren't as common. Hopefully we see more progression over the summer and next season. Women's big air was impressive to watch this year.
If I remember correctly sarah hoefflin hasnt been skiing for very long at all compared to people like devin logan and she has multiple dubs under her belt.
**This post was edited on Apr 16th 2019 at 12:37:59am
supersquid
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14024868:Andy03 said:
It dosent matter when your start or about the body deficit. A business will pay you based on how much value you bring to a company. In extreme sports that value is usually placed in doing the most extreme things, presently those things are not being done by the women. You should get paid for what your worth and the end result. Using whats between your legs as an excuse to make more makes literally no sense.
BigPurpleSkiSuit
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14024877:supersquid said:
It makes business sense
14024870:Chubz. said:
This is true, I met Sarah 5 years ago while on an Armada UK tour and she was still throwing front flips to backslap off 6 inch high boxes in a snowdome having barely skied park outdoors. So for sure, she was skiing and skied as a kid but, and I'm sure she wouldn't mind me saying, definitely not a comp level skier. Within a year or two she was riding the SFR Tour and picked for the Swiss Team (before blowing her knee and missing a season).
Along with Kelly (obviously), Mathilde, Lisa Z and others, she pretty much changed the game for women's slope/big air. They are probably my favorite events to watch right now at the big events (X Games/Dew/Olympics) because the progression is both (somewhat) obvious (and to me, enjoyable) in a way it just isn't always in the Men's. To me, it goes without saying that at the major tour events, prize money should be equal regardless of the economics because the commitments (travel, leaving education, training, injuries etc) are the same for the girls and the guys. And for the most part, comp prizing IS equal at those big events (X and Dew both offer equal prizing, as did WSSF Big Air this past week). There might currently be less competition (in terms of potential comp winners) on the ladies' side and so, shock/horror, the best women might even actually take home more (in comp winnings at least) in the short term at those 'majors'. That is changing though and by the next Olympics, I'm damn sure there won't be any more Swaneys.
Perhaps more importantly, and this is something that people seem to ignore, but freeskiing is hardly booming right now compared to 10 years ago. Encouraging a potential 50% more consumers seems a damn good idea to me. You're seeing it in skateboarding right now, a few female role models can transform a whole industry, albeit slowly. In skiing, the sponsorship/film side will hopefully grow to reflect the need for those role models too. If you look at the 'Girl skiers who shred' thread, you can see the hype is there. But skiers like Taylor, who is somewhat established though hardly making bank, and upcomers like Berto and Mckenna Brown (who I've never met but fucking rips), need to be given a chance to have an impact on the sport too and skiing costs money.
To bring this post full circle, I was talking to Sarah early this season about spending the summers in Zermatt, and she mentioned seeing Berto on Instagram. I think she said something like, "Did you see that burrito skier girl while you were there, holy fuck, she's so good, so much better at skiing than me". At that point, Berto wasn't even getting free skis... To me, that suggests there could be more than a bit more being done to search out and support ladies who rip...