Shin bang in Fulltilts

[Adtmartens]

So In the summer I picked up some fulltilt decedent 8s and after skiing on them for a couple weeks I started to get some really bad shin bang. My previous boots also did the same thing and that was part of the reason i got full tilts. I ski like 3-4 times a week and like 95% of the time in the park. I really dont think my boots are to big and I actually love the fit and everything about them except for the shin pain. I have definitely looked at some other threads about this but I haven’t really seen any clear solutions. Ive been trying gel pads that a ski shop gave but it hasn’t really helped. Im not sure if a different boot would fix it as these ones seem to fit perfectly in ever other way. Do have any suggestions or personal experiences that could help?

 

[dant02]

how much space is between ur shin and the liner of your boot when you stand up straight? also, do you ski in the backseat?

 

[dant02]

how much space is between ur shin and the liner of your boot when you stand up straight? also, do you ski in the backseat?

also sticky

 

[Adtmartens]

how much space is between ur shin and the liner of your boot when you stand up straight? also, do you ski in the backseat?

Like none. I really wrench them as tight as possible. I dont really ski backseat but i do land backseat. I dont really know if just not landing backseat is an option because i feel like its sort of part of learning new tricks.

 

[dant02]

Like none. I really wrench them as tight as possible. I dont really ski backseat but i do land backseat. I dont really know if just not landing backseat is an option because i feel like its sort of part of learning new tricks.

how big are you? how stiff are your boots?

 

[KilaTsunami]

Booster Straps!

They’re like 30 bucks and stopped my shin bang in my FT dropkicks. They replace your stock straps and pull the top part much tighter... and look pretty snazzy too

 

[Adtmartens]

how big are you? how stiff are your boots?

Im 120lb and my boots are FT descendant 8s so I guess they aren’t necessarily a soft boot but i have really been liking how they flex. Im not really sure what a 8 flex rating translates to, probably like a 110 or 120ish

 

[dant02]

Im 120lb and my boots are FT descendant 8s so I guess they aren’t necessarily a soft boot but i have really been liking how they flex. Im not really sure what a 8 flex rating translates to, probably like a 110 or 120ish

It’s like a 100 flex. However, there is no industry standard scale. What boot were you in previously?

 

[Adtmartens]

Booster Straps!

They’re like 30 bucks and stopped my shin bang in my FT dropkicks. They replace your stock straps and pull the top part much tighter... and look pretty snazzy too

The stock straps on my boots are pretty similar to booster straps. Mine aren’t the velcro type that most come with. Im not sure how different it will be with booster straps. Full tilt calls the straps i have power straps.

 

[Adtmartens]

It’s like a 100 flex. However, there is no industry standard scale. What boot were you in previously?

Pervious boots where like some Salomon jr boots that were like 70 flex. They still gave me shin bang and were super soft. I know i could get a softer flexing tongues for my boots. Do you think that would make a difference.

 

[onenerdykid]

ok, do these things first:

1. remove the liner from the shell

2. step into the shell with your bare foot or a VERY thin ski sock (do not use a thick sock)

3. slide your foot to the front of the shell so your toes just barely touch

4. examine the space behind your heel

1cm (one finger tip) = high performance fit

2cm (1.5 fingers) = normal fit

3cm (2.5 fingers) = problematically too big and you need new boots to solve your problem

what say yee?

 

[Adtmartens]

ok, do these things first:

1. remove the liner from the shell

2. step into the shell with your bare foot or a VERY thin ski sock (do not use a thick sock)

3. slide your foot to the front of the shell so your toes just barely touch

4. examine the space behind your heel

1cm (one finger tip) = high performance fit

2cm (1.5 fingers) = normal fit

3cm (2.5 fingers) = problematically too big and you need new boots to solve your problem

what say yee?

Did this test a while ago and its like 1.5 fingers. Im not sure my boot is to big in that manor. I do have small calfs that might be part of the reason. I still can get my boots tight enough tho.

 

[Railslayer69]

I had some classics that were a few years old in a 29.5 and was getting HELLA shin bang. I sold them and decided I’d give full tilt one more chance and got some first chairs in a 29.5 and haven’t had shin bang since. So for me I guess it was the model of boot even tho they were constructed almost the exact same. You just gotta experiment until you find what works. Also if you have shin bang your gonna have pain in any boot no matter what until you let those suckers heal up. Ice for 15 minute periods and look up stretches for shin splints.

 

[onenerdykid]

Did this test a while ago and its like 1.5 fingers. Im not sure my boot is to big in that manor. I do have small calfs that might be part of the reason. I still can get my boots tight enough tho.

next point: do you have custom footbeds in your boots? If not, this is your next immediate solution. Without them, your ankle will twist and move which causes your shin to twist and move, every time you turn, every time you land. You need to stabilize your foot & ankle before you do anything else.

 

[tomPietrowski]

next point: do you have custom footbeds in your boots? If not, this is your next immediate solution. Without them, your ankle will twist and move which causes your shin to twist and move, every time you turn, every time you land. You need to stabilize your foot & ankle before you do anything else.

This is hugely important. We changed the liners so that they now have a removeable sole so you can put in a custom footbed. This really really help alot of times for the reasons Matt said.

I also noticed you said you crank down on your powerstraps as tight as you can. You may be doing them a bit too tight. When you flex forward you do want some space between your calf and the liner. You at least want to get a finger down there when they are fully done up. Overtightening boots can cause a lot of problems.

One other area I always found when fitting boots was excess space over the instep. Now a footbed may help this but the Descendant is out higher volume boot so if you have a flatter foot or a lower instep it may be that you need to readjust your foot position in the boot.

 

[Adtmartens]

next point: do you have custom footbeds in your boots? If not, this is your next immediate solution. Without them, your ankle will twist and move which causes your shin to twist and move, every time you turn, every time you land. You need to stabilize your foot & ankle before you do anything else.

I dont have any which was another thing i was wonder. If you think that will work i will definitely try some. Which kind would you recommend? I work at a ski shop so i can pick up some super feet for like 40% off. Should i give those at try or do you have other recommendations?

 

[Adtmartens]

This is hugely important. We changed the liners so that they now have a removeable sole so you can put in a custom footbed. This really really help alot of times for the reasons Matt said.

I also noticed you said you crank down on your powerstraps as tight as you can. You may be doing them a bit too tight. When you flex forward you do want some space between your calf and the liner. You at least want to get a finger down there when they are fully done up. Overtightening boots can cause a lot of problems.

One other area I always found when fitting boots was excess space over the instep. Now a footbed may help this but the Descendant is out higher volume boot so if you have a flatter foot or a lower instep it may be that you need to readjust your foot position in the boot.

This could be true about the instep volume. My foot dimensions are weird in the way that i have a wide foot but probably a smaller instep. I originally tried on some drop kicks and it felt so bad on my foot because it was way to narrow so thats why i moved to the decendants. Would a footbed take up some of that space? Also part of the problem with me tightening the straps alot is that it doesn’t feel to tight but more like tight in the wrong places.

 

[MaimHelp]

So In the summer I picked up some fulltilt decedent 8s and after skiing on them for a couple weeks I started to get some really bad shin bang. My previous boots also did the same thing and that was part of the reason i got full tilts. I ski like 3-4 times a week and like 95% of the time in the park. I really dont think my boots are to big and I actually love the fit and everything about them except for the shin pain. I have definitely looked at some other threads about this but I haven’t really seen any clear solutions. Ive been trying gel pads that a ski shop gave but it hasn’t really helped. Im not sure if a different boot would fix it as these ones seem to fit perfectly in ever other way. Do have any suggestions or personal experiences that could help?

Improve your form, did the trick for me big time

 

[FruitBootPro]

Ask your bootfitter.

 

[drifts]

I dont have any which was another thing i was wonder. If you think that will work i will definitely try some. Which kind would you recommend? I work at a ski shop so i can pick up some super feet for like 40% off. Should i give those at try or do you have other recommendations?

Bro you work at a ski shop, get custom insoles

 

[Adtmartens]

Bro you work at a ski shop, get custom insoles

Do you think that will make a difference for the shin bang. Ive tried super feet in the boots before and it didn’t help that much. Do u think getting a custom will be that different.

**This post was edited on Dec 11th 2020 at 1:40:23pm

 

[tomPietrowski]

Do you think that will make a difference for the shin bang. Ive tried super feet in the boots before and it didn’t help that much. Do u think getting a custom will be that different.

**This post was edited on Dec 11th 2020 at 1:40:23pm

Yeah Custom is so worth it. Super feet are not much of a step up from stock insoles.

As I mentioned above I think alot of it may be the instep position making you flex the boots in an odd manner or perhaps the shin rotating as you flex as Onenerdy suggested.

Custom footbeds should be the first thing to try as they will overall improve the fit hugely and hopefully also help the shin issues.

 

[KilaTsunami]

The stock straps on my boots are pretty similar to booster straps. Mine aren’t the velcro type that most come with. Im not sure how different it will be with booster straps. Full tilt calls the straps i have power straps.

https://www.artechski.com/booster-straps-kids-shorter-straps-2-bands/?sku=553-1027&gclid=CjwKCAiA_9r_BRBZEiwAHZ_v12f083TClRi9f1xcomnO0wdpPvE8JPmUdLJAqgrpKuYQIV4PhBEUvRoCha4QAvD_BwE

I dont know the science behind it, i just know that these are the joints that saved my shins, and i do alot of frontflips lol.

 

[animator]

Do you think that will make a difference for the shin bang. Ive tried super feet in the boots before and it didn’t help that much. Do u think getting a custom will be that different.

**This post was edited on Dec 11th 2020 at 1:40:23pm

Also OP ik you posted this a while ago but is the liner the wrap liner or the tongue liner (I believe in the Descendant it’s a wrap)? The wrap liner tends to leave a bit more space for people with narrower legs ive found, while the tongue liner hugs the shin a bit better and helps to eliminate the space in front of your shin.

 

[BradFiAusNzCoCa]

Definitely suggest custom, but if you’re balling on a budget - I think superfeet are better than nothing. I had superfeet green in one pair of boots, didn’t use them on another pair of boots (foot and knee pain - surprise), and now use them again. They make a huge difference for me. Granted, green is the highest volume superfeet you can get but still. Massive difference for me.

Yeah Custom is so worth it. Super feet are not much of a step up from stock insoles.

 

[djschaut]

Hi,

I wear my boots looser and looser the more I ski the park. I used to get shin-bang with older boots that were higher on my leg and stiffer. I ski on classic FT boots, because I have narrow feet. Even these are too wide for me. Now, I've got FT tongue No. 6, and those are almost too stiff. I might go to the 4. I would try not tightening, but loosening your power straps and upper buckle. The better you ski, the looser you can make it. Your shin-bang is probably because your ankle can't flex--and you're trying to flex it in your boot, but your boot won't allow it. So, loosen your upper buckles to let your ankle flex. Keep the lower buckles tighter so your foot doesn't move. I'd give the back of the boot as much forward flex as you can, also. Literally anymore, if I tighten my ski boots upper buckles and power straps, I can't do rails very well. My 'pop' suffers and I can't scissor on the rails. As soon as I loosen them, everything gets easier. You're fighting your ski boots and any gel or softer liner isn't the problem. The 8 tongue is too stiff, but you can still loosen your boots by undoing your upper buckles to see how it feels. Give it a try. I once saw a good park skier who didn't buckle his ski boots at all. They were totally loose. The idea that the stiffer your ski boots are the better skier you are is a fallacy. I can undo my buckles all the way and ski down the steepest mogul field no problem. Remember something else--racers use the stiffest boots. They buckle them down a few minutes before a run, and the first thing they do after a race is unbuckle their boots because their feet are killing them.

So In the summer I picked up some fulltilt decedent 8s and after skiing on them for a couple weeks I started to get some really bad shin bang. My previous boots also did the same thing and that was part of the reason i got full tilts. I ski like 3-4 times a week and like 95% of the time in the park. I really dont think my boots are to big and I actually love the fit and everything about them except for the shin pain. I have definitely looked at some other threads about this but I haven’t really seen any clear solutions. Ive been trying gel pads that a ski shop gave but it hasn’t really helped. Im not sure if a different boot would fix it as these ones seem to fit perfectly in ever other way. Do have any suggestions or personal experiences that could help?

 

[Adtmartens]

Hi,

I wear my boots looser and looser the more I ski the park. I used to get shin-bang with older boots that were higher on my leg and stiffer. I ski on classic FT boots, because I have narrow feet. Even these are too wide for me. Now, I've got FT tongue No. 6, and those are almost too stiff. I might go to the 4. I would try not tightening, but loosening your power straps and upper buckle. The better you ski, the looser you can make it. Your shin-bang is probably because your ankle can't flex--and you're trying to flex it in your boot, but your boot won't allow it. So, loosen your upper buckles to let your ankle flex. Keep the lower buckles tighter so your foot doesn't move. I'd give the back of the boot as much forward flex as you can, also. Literally anymore, if I tighten my ski boots upper buckles and power straps, I can't do rails very well. My 'pop' suffers and I can't scissor on the rails. As soon as I loosen them, everything gets easier. You're fighting your ski boots and any gel or softer liner isn't the problem. The 8 tongue is too stiff, but you can still loosen your boots by undoing your upper buckles to see how it feels. Give it a try. I once saw a good park skier who didn't buckle his ski boots at all. They were totally loose. The idea that the stiffer your ski boots are the better skier you are is a fallacy. I can undo my buckles all the way and ski down the steepest mogul field no problem. Remember something else--racers use the stiffest boots. They buckle them down a few minutes before a run, and the first thing they do after a race is unbuckle their boots because their feet are killing them.

I sort of see what your saying but im not sure that having my boots super lose is going to be helpful for my skiing in general . It’s important to me that my boots feel responsive when i ski. Ive actually more or less fixed my problem by getting some volume reducers and superfeet in my boots. I also don’t really see an 8 flex boot being too stiff for me as its only 100flex and im really enjoy its responsiveness. Basically i think more the problem is that my boot only contacted my shin in one place vs having it contact the whole way down. By putting in superfeet i sort of changed the position of my foot to match the boot profile.

 

[djschaut]

I sort of see what your saying but im not sure that having my boots super lose is going to be helpful for my skiing in general . It’s important to me that my boots feel responsive when i ski. Ive actually more or less fixed my problem by getting some volume reducers and superfeet in my boots. I also don’t really see an 8 flex boot being too stiff for me as its only 100flex and im really enjoy its responsiveness. Basically i think more the problem is that my boot only contacted my shin in one place vs having it contact the whole way down. By putting in superfeet i sort of changed the position of my foot to match the boot profile.

Makes sense, good luck!