Shakespeare vs. Tolkien



se·ver·i·ty ( P ) (s-vr-t)

n. pl. se·ver·i·ties

1) The state or quality of being severe.

2) The act or an instance of severe behavior, especially punishment.

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^What an incredibly useless definition... you should've defined 'severe'.

Se·vere

adj. se·ver·er, se·ver·est

1. Unsparing, harsh, or strict, as in treatment of others: a severe critic.

2. Stern or forbidding, as in manner or appearance: spoke in a severe voice.

3. Causing great discomfort, damage, or distress: a severe pain; a severe storm.

I fail to see how that applies to literature.. unless it causes you great discomfort.

 
TAK. could you rephrase your earlier post w/o severity in it? im sorry, but i dont understand how the word severity fits into your statement? do you mean in the story or in the zealous nature of LOTR fans?

 
i know it was way back there, but the term 'baroque' refers to the time period between 1600 to 1750 or thereabouts... it refers to all the works, including art music and literature that were produce therein, just as the term renaissance refers to a time period, not just the music from the 1500's, and just as the terms 'romantic' impressionist' and 'modern' are all inclusive to the works produced... so.. yeah.... unless all the humanities classes ive taken and history books ive read were lying to me...

-you think you can take us on... you and your cronies-
 
^^yeah terms like baroque and rennaisance refer to general time periods and more specifically the styles of art and lifestyle generally associated with that time period...which includes, literature, art, architecture etc....

and I stick with Apples and Oranges comments above...you may like one better then the other but comparing doesnt do either one justice

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Is this a goddamned joke? You've got to be kidding me, Tolkien isn't even on the top 10 fantasy/scifi writer list as far as I'm concerned. Shakespeare's works have such depth and intricacy and beauty of language that it's not even funny. This isn't even a discussion, only a crack-addled 13 year old LOTR geek would think that.

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your an idiot, go read tolkien and tell me hes not the best fantasy writer ever if for nothing els, invennting the genre

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'In rode the Lord of the Nazgul. A great black shape against the fires beyond, he loomed up, grown to a vast menace of despair. In rode the Lord of the Nazgul, under the archway that no enemy ever yet had passed, and all fled before his face.

All save one. There, waiting silent and still in the space before the gate, sat Gandalf upon Shadowfax : Shadowfax, who alone among the free horses of the earth endured the terror, unmoving, steadfast as a graven image in Rath Dinen.'

'Dude, we're sick. He's pretty sick, but his muscles aren't as big as mine, so you know.'-CR Johnson
 
He's NOT a good fantasy writer! All he did was start it. Yes, he had an amazing story to tell, and yes he is most certainly the father of fantasy, but just because Mike Douglas was the first to do a misty flip doesnt mean he is the best newscooler ever!!!

Tolkien's stories have spots where I'd rather kill myselfthan read anymore detail about how many blades of grass were in the field! Like I said before, he is a great story teler, but not a great writer. Perhaps a good writer, but not great, and certianly comes no where NEAR Shakespeare.

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This is just idiotic. Until you have a master's degree in literature you aren't really qualified to say who's a great writer and who's just good. As if there aren't passages in shakespeare that a lot of people will just skip, and the same for all great writers, you're telling me milton doesn't go on at all? While even I can't reasonably claim to be the authority on who's good and who isn't, all I can say is that I'm an english major whose favourite genre is fantasy, I've read countless authors, and Tolkein IS both a great storyteller and writer in my estimation (which is FAIRLY educated, and will become more so). I know 5 people who are either former profs, masters students or have their PHD in english, and 4 of them agree that LOTR is, though not the best THING ever written, nonetheless the best story, and easily the best fantasy work (The fifth one has some strange infatuation with Cervantes). Maybe that's a bit fallacious, being ad verecundiam, but if I were going to ask someone about writing quality, I'd ask profs.

Besides, as I pointed out earlier, Tolkein is a reknowned literary critic so it's hard to argue that he isn't a great writer. To say so sounds like ignorant elitism... denying the popular view simply because it's popular.

PS.This post isn't aimed specifically at the guy directly above me.

 
shakespeare is better, hands down. why do you think his plays are used in every english curriculum...ever. while tolkien's works are rarely included?

 
^ Fallacious argument. Ad populum. I;'m pointing this out from now on in this thread.

 
why in the good great fucking crap would you compare these two authors?

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thatws what im asking myself

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Dan Maguire

Yankees Suck

'In rode the Lord of the Nazgul. A great black shape against the fires beyond, he loomed up, grown to a vast menace of despair. In rode the Lord of the Nazgul, under the archway that no enemy ever yet had passed, and all fled before his face.

All save one. There, waiting silent and still in the space before the gate, sat Gandalf upon Shadowfax : Shadowfax, who alone among the free horses of the earth endured the terror, unmoving, steadfast as a graven image in Rath Dinen.'

'Dude, we're sick. He's pretty sick, but his muscles aren't as big as mine, so you know.'-CR Johnson
 
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