Seattle Announces $15 Minimum Wage Highest In The U.S.

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Not sure how I feel about this or if it's true.http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2014/05/01/3433227/seattle-15-dollar-minimum-wage/

Seattle will raise its minimum wage to $15 an hour over the coming years under a deal brokered by Mayor Ed Murray and blessed by labor and business groups alike, city leaders announced Thursday afternoon.

The new pay floor will phase in at different speeds for businesses of different sizes, but all employers will have to meet the $15 minimum wage by the end of the decade. Businesses with more than 500 employees nationwide will have a three-year phase-in period, while smaller employers get five years to ratchet up their payscales.

After reaching $15 an hour, the city’s minimum wage will automatically climb by 2.4 percent each year regardless of the rate of inflation. Even among states with relatively strong minimum wage laws, automatic increases are uncommon. Thursday’s deal will make Seattle the national leader on municipal minimum wage laws. Washington currently has the highest pay floor of any state at $9.32 per hour.

The deal was a long time coming, with Murray first indicating he wanted to establish a $15 floor back in September during the mayoral campaign. Murray created the 24-member advisory group that crafted the compromise package back in December, and the group of local business owners, restaurateurs, and labor leaders has been grinding toward an agreement for the past four months.

Approval from restaurant owners is especially noteworthy given the deal’s provisions for tipped workers. Tips can only be counted toward worker minimum pay for the next five years. After that, the separate minimum hourly pay rates for tipped and non-tipped workers will disappear, and all employees citywide will have to be paid $15 hourly or more.

An activist coalition called 15 Now led by the lone socialist member of the City Council, Kshama Sawant, has pledged to put an immediate wage hike before city voters in November if the deal falls short of the group’s goals. Another coalition, 15 For Seattle, issued a press release Thursday saying that “many of the coalitions 100+ progressive members have already endorsed” the deal but that others “are taking the Mayor’s proposal back to their organizations for review and approval.” Sawant’s ballot initiative would let employers with fewer than 250 workers phase in higher wages over three years but impose the $15 rate immediately for larger businesses.

Sawant is one of two members of the working group who is opposing the deal announced Thursday, according to a source close to the negotiations. The other is Craig Dawson, the owner of a payments processing company called Retail Lockbox. The head of the city’s Chamber of Commerce is abstaining. But the 21 votes in favor include representatives from two separate chapters of the Service Employees International Union (SEIU), the United Food and Commercial Workers (UFCW) chapter, and the MLK Labor Council, as well as local hotel owners, restaurant owners, a pair of Councilmen, and the venture capitalist Nick Hanauer, who has made a name for himself in recent years as a wealthy champion of economic policies that focus on the middle class rather than on business owners and the wealthy.

There are 102,000 workers in Seattle currently earning less than $15 an hour. Raising those people’s wages will put about half a billion extra dollars of spending money into Seattle workers’ pockets. As SEIU 775 president and coalition co-chair David Rolf said in a statement Thursday, the deal “will pump nearly $500 million into Washington’s economy, proving that a higher minimum wage fuels business and job growth.”
 
What I'm not really understanding is why the holy fuck we felt that we needed to raise it in the first place.
 
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this will be an interesting experiment, seattle is an expensive city to live in and it would be near impossible to live on 9$ an hour. I live in a small apartment and pay 800$ a month and rates keep getting higher. I do like to see the automatic wage hike to keep up with inflation. But we'll see if the people this aims to help (minimum wagers) will actually be helped with a wage hike or a loss of jobs. I suspect the latter
 
A guy i know already got told he will be laid off due to the increase, it's great if you actually have a job, but there will be fewer to go around now thats for sure.
 
12975657:Balto said:
A guy i know already got told he will be laid off due to the increase, it's great if you actually have a job, but there will be fewer to go around now thats for sure.

I believe this happens in three years, so I'm going to call bullshit.
 
12975664:zzzskizzz said:
I believe this happens in three years, so I'm going to call bullshit.

Seeing as I live in dowmtown seattle im probably a bit more informed on the situation then you are. There was lots of talk about this exact issue all day including down at the march.
 
12975678:Balto said:
Seeing as I live in dowmtown seattle im probably a bit more informed on the situation then you are. There was lots of talk about this exact issue all day including down at the march.

Sawant’s ballot initiative would let employers with fewer than 250 workers phase in higher wages over three years but impose the $15 rate immediately for larger businesses.
 
12975679:zzzskizzz said:
Sawant’s ballot initiative would let employers with fewer than 250 workers phase in higher wages over three years but impose the $15 rate immediately for larger businesses.

Yes i know what the initiative says, we have been discussing this all day in class. People WILL lose jobs over this, that is guaranteed. It's great for the more senior employees or anyone thats able to keep their job, but there are plenty of businesses that barely get by as is, and as soon as the wage increase goes into effect they will be forced to either cut hours or drop employees.
 
12975679:zzzskizzz said:
Sawant’s ballot initiative would let employers with fewer than 250 workers phase in higher wages over three years but impose the $15 rate immediately for larger businesses.

But impose the $15 rate immediately for larger businesses
 
12975654:gyarados said:
I guess everyone on NS is an economist now

It doesn't really take an economist to figure out that a basic job in food service really doesn't deserve $15 an hour.
 
honestly i just want to know why they aren't making it higher?

if raising it to $15 pumps 500 million into the economy imagine how much money will be pumped into the economy if they raised even more! At 20 a hour it will pump nearly a billion dollars into the Seattle economy, at 30 it would add 2 billion, if they screwed all this politically stuff and did what was really good for the people surely they should just raise it to 100 an hour because just counting the people making under 15 an hour right now that would add over 9 billion dollars to Seattle economy all that new cash would completely remove the lower class in Seattle for sure and nobody would have to work any harder!!!!
 
12975703:cool_name said:
honestly i just want to know why they aren't making it higher?

if raising it to $15 pumps 500 million into the economy imagine how much money will be pumped into the economy if they raised even more! At 20 a hour it will pump nearly a billion dollars into the Seattle economy, at 30 it would add 2 billion, if they screwed all this politically stuff and did what was really good for the people surely they should just raise it to 100 an hour because just counting the people making under 15 an hour right now that would add over 9 billion dollars to Seattle economy all that new cash would completely remove the lower class in Seattle for sure and nobody would have to work any harder!!!!

Holy.

Fucking.

Shit.

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12975689:cool_name said:
But impose the $15 rate immediately for larger businesses

Sweet your friend works for a company that has over 250 people working for it and they can't afford to pay people? What is it the worlds largest summer camp?
 
12975728:zzzskizzz said:
Sweet your friend works for a company that has over 250 people working for it and they can't afford to pay people? What is it the worlds largest summer camp?

Sweet you can read people's names!

also just because a place employes lots of people doesn't mean it can afford to start paying people 50% more. Even if they could technically afford it they may not want to keep that extra guy on because he is producing way below what he is costing them now, so his wage would of went from 10 to 0 and on top of that he gets to deal with the newly inflated prices that this ridiculous minimum wage law caused
 
12975728:zzzskizzz said:
Sweet your friend works for a company that has over 250 people working for it and they can't afford to pay people? What is it the worlds largest summer camp?

shockingly, most large companies don't give a fuck about you. they maybe can afford it, but they don't want to pay you it
 
12975736:philipc said:
hopefully the rest of the country follows suit.

Hopefully not... there is going to be a huge decrease in jobs so the companies can save money. Fewer jobs equals more competition. But, this will cause people to put more effort into their job which is about the only positive effect a raise like this will inflict.
 
12975757:fghtoffyrdmns said:
inb4 massive inflation

Paying higher wages increases inflation?

12975794:Sweetums said:
Hopefully not... there is going to be a huge decrease in jobs so the companies can save money. Fewer jobs equals more competition. But, this will cause people to put more effort into their job which is about the only positive effect a raise like this will inflict.

Companies still need the same amount of people to perform the jobs that need to be done. If they (businesses) could simply cut jobs they're workforce would be considered inefficient. In the case of large corporations the top executives salaries will get cut and go toward the lowest paid employees. Unless the rest of the US follows Seattle's lead companies will simply move out.
 
12975814:philipc said:
Paying higher wages increases inflation?

Companies still need the same amount of people to perform the jobs that need to be done. If they (businesses) could simply cut jobs they're workforce would be considered inefficient. In the case of large corporations the top executives salaries will get cut and go toward the lowest paid employees. Unless the rest of the US follows Seattle's lead companies will simply move out.

Paying higher wages means companies will increase their prices relative to those wages as they now need to maintain the same profit margin or else the shareholders (assuming its a publicly trade company) will not be happy. To pay higher wages, you need more money, to get more money, you need more money in circulation. More money in circulation (at a large enough scale) means a reduction in purchasing power.

Companies do not need the same amount of people, what they will do is consolidate work groups. They will cut the excess "fat" and turn jobs that were formerly done by 3 people into something that can be done by 1-2 people. Finding what is inefficient and what is efficient will take time, but it will more likely result in job loss than no change, and it sure as hell will not result in job increases.

You are naive if you think the top executive salaries will get cut. Maybe in some companies, but for the most part, executives will remain at the same if not higher salaries (inflation remember?) and then the brunt of the change will be upon the lower and middle level management/workers.

You are correct in predicting that large companies will most likely move, but I cannot say I know anything about the Seattle tax codes and other incentives that may make a company stay there.
 
I knew I was forgetting something.

Most companies will look at their marginal cost of labor and costs of production, and from that deduce how many employees they need. Simple enough.

The level of the inflationary aspect is all theoretical at this point, because I have no idea if the San Fran Fed will act or if the excess cash will be solely from the bank accounts of the businesses that are faced with the rising wages. Regardless, there will be an influx of cash in the market, and a small amount of inflation at least.
 
99% of the people who work in Seattle are baristas, right? This is a great idea. Starbucks employees will finally be able to put food on the table for their families!
 
I'm not economist but McDonald's can afford to pay more than slave wages. So, can Walmart. It may not agree with capitalism, but CEO's don't need to make 100mill a year. Large companies can afford and should be forced to do so. This is a skiing website full of privileged white people who were lucky enough to be born into decent families (for the most part). So, think about the people making slave wages who can't dig their way out of it.
 
12975681:Balto said:
Yes i know what the initiative says, we have been discussing this all day in class. People WILL lose jobs over this, that is guaranteed. It's great for the more senior employees or anyone thats able to keep their job, but there are plenty of businesses that barely get by as is, and as soon as the wage increase goes into effect they will be forced to either cut hours or drop employees.

You could just rephrase this as, "My professor said it was bad"
 
12975849:louie.mirags said:
I'm not economist but McDonald's can afford to pay more than slave wages. So, can Walmart. It may not agree with capitalism, but CEO's don't need to make 100mill a year. Large companies can afford and should be forced to do so. This is a skiing website full of privileged white people who were lucky enough to be born into decent families (for the most part). So, think about the people making slave wages who can't dig their way out of it.

Call me old fashoned but if "it may not agree with capitalism" I think it's a fuckin dumb idea

And you pay your slaves?
 
Everybody wants to complain about government assistance, buy some people work multiple minimum wage jobs to support families. Meanwhile the CEO's of some companies make millions. It's so easy to say from a middle to upper class perspective that they did it to themselves. Something needs to be done to make sure the poor don't keep getting poorer and the rich keep getting richer.
 
12975942:louie.mirags said:
Something needs to be done to make sure the poor don't keep getting poorer and the rich keep getting richer.

Try camping out in New York's financial district with some friends. I hear it works really well.
 
I would rather my $5 fast lunch than pay $6 and have the idiot behind the counter making $15 an hour.

If you don't want to work for $10 an hour then don't work or find a job that is actually useful to society. I can think of a bunch of industries we could do without:

Fast Food

Retail

I wonder how many people are employed by these industries. So dispensable.
 
Thats pretty fucked when NH is prolly still below $7. I mean fuck man, it was 6.75 when I worked at a ski shop.

15$/hr is like a fucking mid/low end salaried job.
 
as a longtime resident of seattle, i have really mixed feelings about this. a raise in the minimum wage is good because seattle is a fuckin expensive city, but this much of a raise is going to cause huge problems. for the people that have and keep their jobs, its good, but tons of people are going to be laid off or businesses will close.

does anybody know when it starts? if its in the next month it would be awesome, because i work at costco and they cant just let me go (company policies). so i would make a ton more than i expected before i ultimately have to quit halfway through this summer
 
12975728:zzzskizzz said:
Sweet your friend works for a company that has over 250 people working for it and they can't afford to pay people? What is it the worlds largest summer camp?

Are you fucking 6 years old or something?
 
12976132:TheBigApple said:
I would rather my $5 fast lunch than pay $6 and have the idiot behind the counter making $15 an hour.

If you don't want to work for $10 an hour then don't work or find a job that is actually useful to society. I can think of a bunch of industries we could do without:

Fast Food

Retail

I wonder how many people are employed by these industries. So dispensable.

We can do without retail?? And you said you eat fast food, but we can do without it? Huh?

Some of these people come from shitty families, shitty schools and poverty areas. You just expect them to dig themselves out that whole? Lots of people on this website don't even pay for their own schooling or have to work full time while in college. Most of us are privileged people. Let's face it, skiing is a rich man's sport. Inflation keeps climbing (hence the term) and minimum wage isn't increasing as fast. Your poor man's fast food meal may not go from $5 to $6. Maybe the CEO's won't make $100 mill a year. Instead they'll make $25 mil. That can work, why the fuck not?

So, I'd a lot of you don't agree with this pay raise, then you must agree with government assistance. Because we can't just let the poor people die out. Believe it or not, not everybody chooses to be poor. They got dealt a shitty hand.

Tl; dr I could of swore NS used to be more liberal. Think about this for a minute. You guys are protecting the 1%. We're the 99% they are trying to keep down.
 
12976144:Dustin. said:
No smartass, but I can do simple math. If I got paid $15 an hour I'd make over $200,000 a year.

Nah, you deff wouldnt. At 40 hours a week you'd net like 600 bucks before taxes a week.

I wish that was true tho
 
12976168:louie.mirags said:
Tl; dr I could of swore NS used to be more liberal. Think about this for a minute. You guys are protecting the 1%. We're the 99% they are trying to keep down.

Because the corporations are evil and oppressive, amirite.
 
We do nothing to curb inflation, but just keep bumping up the minimum wage to compete with rising cost of living.

THAT MAKE PERFECT SENSE!

Instead of fixing the problem we just bump up the minimum wage and act like we're solving shit. The minimum wage could be $40 down the road but that doesn't mean shit if a new car averages over 100k etc.

"Think progress" LOL
 
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