Wrong Wrong. They are like probably 3 times stiffer than the old scratch fs, and they are 10 mm wider underfoot. Last year was 74, this year is 84. I have them in a 181, but have yet to ride them. I am saving them for later in the season. I have a feeling they are gonna be most likely the best all around ski released this year. If anyone has ridden them in a 181 let me know how they are. I can't wait.