Ok, I have the sb's in a 180 and they are amazing. They compare to the ARV but a little stiffer. The MSP is the stiffest ski there so if you have raced in the past and like stiff that is a good choice. And the SCRATCH BC are okay but if you are gunna get a bc get the WRS, they may be fat but they butter nicely and are super sick in the park, fat skis are where it is at now. I saw some kid with bacons in the park. But anyways I like to ski a LOT of park and allmountain every now and then and my libertys are excellent. And they have a 3 year warranty. Cant beat that, and they have great customer service.