Science was wrong.

Melvs

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Well, after reading this column, I am now a firm believer in craetionism. What were scinetists thinking when they told us dinosaurs died off long before we existed. Fuck that, this guy makes me believ.. read this quote and yuo too will believe..

'The evolutionists insist the dinosaurs lived millions and millions of years ago and became extinct long before man walked the planet.

I don't believe that for a minute. I don't believe there is a shred of scientific evidence to suggest it. I am 100 percent certain man and dinosaurs walked the earth at the same time. In fact, I'm not at all sure dinosaurs are even extinct! '

there, proof. so to all you 'evolusionst' people, you're all wrong. Ha, I proved it!

-Pat
 
congrats to see you proved it. it looks like you have a theory with tons of evidence to back it up. by the way, no scientists just group all large animals that used to exist and call them 'dinosaurs'. dinosaur is a loose term thrown around with not much care. If you call a dinosaur a creature that existed a few million years ago, then many scientists would agree that yes there still are 'dinosaurs' around, animals like the turtle and aligator have existed for millions of years according to the fossil record. and yes, many large beasts, part of the dinosaur era are extinct and you cannot prove that false. we have skeletons of these animals everywhere buried in time, and these animals no longer exist.

 
no I'm serious, all teh 'scientific' evidence is just lies. the bible says dinosaurs are real, and so therefore all science ever made is false. all of it.

-Pat
 
Once my older brother was beating me with my dinosaur toy and gripping it by the neck, and in between blows, the body detached from the head....then I cried.

-Landis Tanaka
 
allow me to educate all of you on the true nature of religion.

The end of the world

A brief history

Dec 16th 2004

Why do end-of-time beliefs endure?

Bridgeman

The shape of things to come

A VERICHIP is a tiny, implantable microchip with a unique identification number that connects a patient to his medical records. When America's Food and Drug Administration recently approved it for medical use in humans, the news provoked familiar worries in the press about privacy-threatening technologies. But on the notice boards of raptureready.com, the talk was about a drawback that the FDA and the media seemed to have overlooked. Was the VeriChip the “mark of the beast�?

Raptureready.com runs an online service for the millions of born-again Christians in America who believe that an event called the Rapture is coming soon. During the Rapture, Christ will return and whisk believers away to join the righteous dead in heaven. From there, they will have the best seats in the house as the unsaved perish in a series of spectacular fires, wars, plagues and earthquakes. (Raptureready.com advises the soon-to-depart to stick a note on the fridge to brief those left behind—husbands, wives and in-laws—about the horrors in store for them.)

Furnished with apocalyptic tracts from the Bible, believers scour news dispatches for clues that the Rapture is approaching. Some think implantable chips are a sign. The Book of Revelation features a “mark� that the Antichrist makes everybody wear “in their right hand, or in their foreheads�. Rapturists have more than a hobbyist's idle interest in identifying this mark. Anyone who accepts it spends eternity roasting in the sulphurs of hell. (And, incidentally, the European Union may be “the matrix out of which the Antichrist's kingdom could grow.�)

Attack of the clones, or phantom menace?

Jan 2nd 2003

Religion

Click to buy from Amazon.com: 'The End of History', by Francis Fukuyama (Amazon.co.uk); from Amazon.co.uk: 'Our Final Hour', by Martin Rees.

Do Verichip wearers bear the 'mark of the beast'? Raptureready.com looks into the matter. The 'Left Behind' series of novels dramatise the notion of Rapture. An alleged six day sojourn in an alien spaceship inspired Claude Vorilhon to form the Raelian movement. A bibliography of the work of Norman Cohn is available from the New York Review of Books. The theories of futurologists Hans Moravec and Ray Kurzweil can be explored online.

Christians have kept faith with the idea that the world is just about to end since the beginnings of their religion. Jesus Himself hinted more than once that His second coming would happen during the lifetime of His followers. In its original form, the Lord's Prayer, taught by Jesus to his disciples, may have implored God to “keep us from the ordeal�.

Men have been making the same appeal ever since. In 156AD, a fellow called Montanus, pronouncing himself to be the incarnation of the Holy Spirit, declared that the New Jerusalem was about to come crashing down from the heavens and land in Phrygia—which, conveniently, was where he lived. Before long, Asia Minor, Rome, Africa and Gaul were jammed with wandering ecstatics, bitterly repenting their sins and fasting and whipping themselves in hungry anticipation of the world's end. A bit more than a thousand years later, the authorities in Germany were stamping out an outbreak of apocalyptic mayhem among a self-abusing sect called the secret flagellants of Thuringia. The disciples of William Miller, a 19th-century evangelical American, clung ecstatically to the same belief as the Montanists and the Thuringians. A thick strand of Christian history connects them all, and countless other movements.

Don't get left behind

Apocalyptic belief renews itself in ingenious ways. Belief in the Rapture, which enlivens the familiar end-of-time narrative with a compellingly dramatic twist, appears to be a modern phenomenon: John Nelson Darby, a 19th-century British evangelical preacher, was perhaps the first to popularise the idea. (Darby's inspiration was a passage in St Paul's letter to the Thessalonians, which talks about the Christian dead and true believers being “caught up together� in the clouds.) It is not easy to say how many Americans believe in Darby's concept of Rapture. But a dozen novels that dramatise the event and its gripping aftermath—the “Left Behind� series—have sold more than 40m copies.

New apocalyptic creeds have even sprung from those sticky moments when the world has failed to end on schedule. (Social scientists call this “disconfirmation�.) When the resurrected Christ failed to show up for Miller's disciples on the night of October 22nd 1844, press scribblers mocked the “Great Disappointment� mercilessly. But even as they jeered, a farmer called Hiram Edson snuck away from the vigil to pray in a barn, where he duly received word of what had happened. There had been a great event after all—but in heaven, not on Earth. This happening was that Jesus had begun an “investigative judgment of the dead� in preparation for his return. Thus was born the Church of Seventh-day Adventists. They were not the only ones to rise above apparent setbacks to the prophesies by which they set such store: the Jehovah's Witnesses of the persistently apocalyptic Watchtower sect survived no fewer than nine disconfirmations every few years between 1874 and 1975.

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Getting ready in 1967

Which way to Armageddon?

Why do end-of-time beliefs endure? Social scientists love to set about this question with earnest study of the people who subscribe to such ideas. As part of his investigation into the “apocalyptic genre� in modern America, Paul Boyer of the University of Wisconsin asks why so many of his fellow Americans are “susceptible� to televangelists and other “popularisers�. From time to time, sophisticated Americans indulge the thrillingly terrifying thought that nutty, apocalyptic, born-again Texans are guiding not just conservative social policies at home, but America's agenda in the Middle East as well, as they round up reluctant compatriots for the last battle at Armageddon. (It's a bit south of the Lake of Galilee in the plain of Jezreel.)

Behind these attitudes sits the assumption that apocalyptic thought belongs—or had better belong—to the extremities of human experience. On closer inspection, though, that is by no means true.

Properly, the apocalypse is both an end and a new beginning. In Christian tradition, the world is created perfect. There is then a fall, followed by a long, rather enjoyable (for some) period of moral degeneration. This culminates in a decisive final battle between good (the returned Christ) and evil (the Antichrist). Good wins and establishes the New Jerusalem and with it the 1,000-year reign of King Jesus on Earth.

This is the glorious millennium that millenarians await so eagerly. Millenarians tend to place history at a moment just before the decisive final showdown. The apocalyptic mind looks through the surface reality of the world and sees history's epic, true nature: “apocalypse� comes from the Greek word meaning to uncover, or disclose.

Norman Cohn, a British historian, places the origin of apocalyptic thought with Zoroaster (or Zarathustra), a Persian prophet who probably lived between 1500 and 1200BC. The Vedic Indians, ancient Egyptians and some earlier civilisations had seen history as a cycle, which was for ever returning to its beginning. Zoroaster embellished this tepid plot. He added goodies (Ahura Mazda, the maker and guardian of the ordered world), baddies (the spirit of destruction, Angra Mainyu) and a happy ending (a glorious consummation of order over disorder, known as the “making wonderful�, in which “all things would be made perfect, once and for all�). In due course Zoroaster's theatrical talents came to Christians via the Jews.

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Raelians don't dig God

This basic drama shapes all apocalyptic thought, from the tenets of tribal cargo cults to the beliefs of UFO sects. In 1973, Claude Vorilhon, a correspondent for a French racing-car magazine, claimed to have been whisked away in a flying saucer, in which he had spent six days with a green chap who spoke fluent French. The alien told Mr Vorilhon that the Frenchman's real name was Rael, that humans had misread the Bible and that, properly translated, the Hebrew word Elohim (singular: Eloha) did not mean God, as Jews had long supposed, but “those who came from the sky�.

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...they dig Rael, aka, Vorilhon, back from the sky

The alien then revealed that his species had created everything on Earth in a space laboratory, and that the aliens wanted to return to give humans their advanced technology, which would transform the world utterly. First, however, Rael needed financial contributions to build the aliens an embassy in Jerusalem, because otherwise they would not feel welcome (a bit lame, this explanation). Although the Israeli government has not yet given its consent, the Raelians—those persuaded by Rael's account—continue to welcome donations in anticipation of a change of heart.

The Raelians' claim to be atheists who belong to the secular world must come as no surprise to Mr Cohn, who has long detected patterns of religious apocalyptic thought in what is supposedly rational, secular belief. He has traced “egalitarian and communistic fantasies� to the ancient-world idea of an ideal state of nature, in which all men are genuinely equal and none is persecuted. As Mr Cohn has put it, “The old religious idiom has been replaced by a secular one, and this tends to obscure what otherwise would be obvious. For it is the simple truth that, stripped of their original supernatural sanction, revolutionary millenarianism and mystical anarchism are with us still.�

Bridgeman

It's this or redemption

Nicholas Campion, a British historian and astrologer, has expanded on Mr Cohn's ideas. In his book, “The Great Year�, Mr Campion draws parallels between the “scientific� historical materialism of Marx and the religious apocalyptic experience. Thus primitive communism is the Garden of Eden, the emergence of private property and the class system is the fall, the final gasps of capitalism are the last days, the proletariat are the chosen people and the socialist revolution is the second coming and the New Jerusalem.

Hegel saw history as an evolution of ideas that would culminate in the ideal liberal-democratic state. Since liberal democracy satisfies the basic need for recognition that animates political struggle, thought Hegel, its advent heralds a sort of end of history—another suspiciously apocalyptic claim. More recently, Francis Fukuyama has echoed Hegel's theme. Mr Fukuyama began his book, “The End of History�, with a claim that the world had arrived at “the gates of the Promised Land of liberal democracy�. Mr Fukuyama's pulpit oratory suited the spirit of the 1990s, with its transformative “new economy� and free-world triumphs. In the disorientating disconfirmation of September 11th and the coincident stockmarket collapse, however, his religion has lost favour.

The apocalyptic narrative may have helped to start the motor of capitalism. A drama in which the end returns interminably to the beginning leaves little room for the sense of progress which, according to the 19th-century social theories of Max Weber, provides the religious licence for material self-improvement. Without the last days, in other words, the world might never have had 65-inch flat-screen televisions. For that matter, the whole American project has more than a touch of the apocalypse about it. The Pilgrim Fathers thought they had reached the New Israel. The “manifest destiny� of America to spread its providential liberty and self-government throughout the North American continent (not to mention the Middle East) smacks of the millennium and the New Jerusalem.

Science treasures its own apocalypses. The modern environmental movement appears to have borrowed only half of the apocalyptic narrative. There is a Garden of Eden (unspoilt nature), a fall (economic development), the usual moral degeneracy (it's all man's fault) and the pressing sense that the world is enjoying its final days (time is running out: please donate now!). So far, however, the green lobby does not appear to have realised it is missing the standard happy ending. Perhaps, until it does, environmentalism is destined to remain in the political margins. Everyone needs redemption.

Watch this spacesuit

Noting an exponential acceleration in the pace of technological change, futurologists like Hans Moravec and Ray Kurzweil think the world inhabits the “knee of the curve�—a sort of last-days set of circumstances in which, in the near future, the pace of technological change runs quickly away towards an infinite “singularity� as intelligent machines learn to build themselves. From this point, thinks Mr Moravec, transformative “mind fire� will spread in a flash across the cosmos. Britain's astronomer royal, Sir Martin Rees, relegates Mr Kurzweil and those like him to the “visionary fringe�. But Mr Rees's own darkly apocalyptic book, “Our Final Hour�, outdoes the most colourful of America's televangelists in earthquakes, plagues and other sorts of fire and brimstone.

Bridgeman

Introducing “manifest destiny�

So there you have it. The apocalypse is the locomotive of capitalism, the inspiration for revolutionary socialism, the bedrock of America's manifest destiny and the undeclared religion of all those pseudo-rationalists who, like The Economist, champion the progress of liberal democracy. Perhaps, deep down, there is something inside everyone which yearns for the New Jerusalem, a place where, as a beautiful bit of Revelation puts it:

God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain; for the former things are passed away.

Yes, perhaps. But, to be sure, not everyone agrees that salvation, when it comes, will appear clothed in a shiny silver spacesuit.

...official founder of the NS t.A.T.U. fanclub...
 
i believe that girls evolved to be able to swallow mens spirm without question

Whats the difference between a screwdriver and Bill Clinton?

A screwdriver turns in screws, and bill clinton screws interns.
 
I wish they taught us that in School. That was a lot more interesting than how the Egyptian villiages would get wiped out from floods in the 19th century.

 
Hahahahaha. I'm impressed, Melvs.

Sarah

Reppin' 907

'what's wrong with princess. I wish I was a princess'

-Jay (rebel)
 
melvs is a goof-ball. 'all scientific evidence is wrong.'

in the words of will ferrell, simply stunning.

o and this was part of what i was talking about in the thread i recently made about religion being an overall positive thing.

shants; theyre not quite shorts, but not quite pants

**NWFT**

 
ever hear of the law of superposition? that has become a very major stumbling block for the evolution theory concerning humans and dinosaurs. i will leave it at that.

-Joel

~Phunkin Phatt Phreerider~

Capital City Rider

Dragons Lair

lanky steeze
 
Normal geological processes, such as plates moving, thrust older layers of rock on top of younger layers in certain regions. These processes leave discernible effects which geologists can detect.

PV=nRT my ass
 
melvs isn't being sarcastic. everything he says is absolutely true. there was not even the slightest notion of a hint of sarcasm in his post. duh

-Strode

Only in my sweetest dreams do my streams lack troubled waters, shallow pools full of shallow fools...
 
yep, youre right. but those certain regions you speak of are only at faults and plate boundaries, while places where the law of superposition is defied are not simply limited to areas where plate dynamics left a big mess.

-Joel

~Phunkin Phatt Phreerider~

Capital City Rider

Dragons Lair

lanky steeze
 
only strode got it.. wow.

that's sad.

for the record, I am 100% behind evolution. you're all fucking retarded.

-Pat
 
is there anyone here who believes that god just made humans from the dawn of time

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Good Fun With A Hand Gun.

Future Canadian
 
dude this doesnt make any sense, and yes dinasaurs lived for a realy long time before we came into existence

-getting an inch of snow is like winning 10 cents in the lottery-
 
science could likley be wrong, but i think that religion could also very likley be worng. i mean however many houndreds of years ago, people didnt know about space, (it was un thinkable that there are other worlds out there) they thought you could fall off the earth... I mean, this was science and 'general knolege' for them, jsut like science is for us today. im not saying that i think it is all bullshit, because you have to be able to have somthing to beleve to evaluate things and base your opnions off of, and science is more logical then religion, and it sure is better then what people beleved 400 years ago, but jsut wait 400 more years. who knows, they may have discovered another deminsion by then

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Democrats are sexy: since when have you seen a good looking peice of elephant?

www.johnkerryisadouchebagbutimvotingforhimanyway.com

''When they attacked us'' - Rudolph Giuliani former republican mayor of NYC referring to Iraq in an interview on NBC news after the presidential debate
 
I believe in God, but it jsut doesnt make sense

science has ALOT of proof on its side

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'My horn, like some phallic symbol of my potent virility, is the last thing you see as skulls collide and mine remains the victor.'- 4skizzle
 
I once asked an emo kid on what his thoughts on science where and this is what he told me, 'Science is just false hope and shatterd dreams.'

Conclusion: Emo kids are bitches.

----2ond in Command of DANSA-----

To Huck. v. The act of throwing oneself off of a cornice, cliff, rock, or any other thing that results in an attempt to fly.

If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit.

GW Award December 3, 2004
 
i like the Raelian women in playboy that might be the only thing that rael guys has going for him

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C'mon out Bart, It's windy
 
The Bible:

Has been edited countless times over thousands of years. Things left out and things added. The Bible is an excelent model to live your life by, but it should not be taken word for word.

Science:

Countless amounts of proof that show the earth is older than the Bible says. Carbon dating shows things to be hundreds of thousands of years old. Not to mention the geological location fossils are found show that it would take a lot longer for them to get there than a few thousand years.

I do believe in God, but I don't think he physically shaped two people with his hands out of dirt and gave them life. I do beleive that God pushed evolution into process. He provided what was necessary, started it up, and let nature take it's course.

Broken legs suck balls
 
alls im sayin is buddah sais scinence is wrong. so there ya go

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Still no snow on the east coast.

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I really enjoy the Born Again Christian explanation of dinosaur fosils. They tell you that God put them there to 'Test your faith'

BLWAHAHA.

People around the world tracking UFO's or searching for extra terrestrial life using scientific means are called 'UFO buffs' and its implied that they are a little bit crazy, and or out there...

On the other hand, millions of people the world over belive in an invisible super being, that controls or sees your every move your entire life. The leaders of these people are highly respected, even though there is more scientific proof to the existence of UFOs.

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qualities solidity well finished after sale services (if broken, ..). so what do you think? out of one fact: armadas black and PINK is ugly and faggy!
 
Too long to read. So I'm just going to say yes to whatever ^ said

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'ever hear of the law of superposition? that has become a very major stumbling block for the evolution theory concerning humans and dinosaurs. i will leave it at that.'

Dude, the law of Superposition is a 'very major' MILESTONE for the evolution theory because it is natures best way at telling immense amounts of time; therefor we can tell which dinosaurs are older than others and create timelines and organize and understand evolution.

STARMAN DIED IN VAIN!!! 'Eat the poor'
 
funny how the newbs are immune against sarcasm

i hope harvey bans you just so i can piss on your digital grave.

~mommy
 
man, i wish i had a time machine, i would totally go chill with a t-rex and eat some other dinos

skiings radically stellar
 
lamas are direct decendents of lamas so therefor evolution is wrong! ha! whos gonna argue with that?

Jesus saves!

Gretzky gets the rebound. he feeds the puck to LeClair. he shoots! he scores! the crowd goes wild
 
im not a believer of evolution, but if you look at anyone, they all look like some sort of monkey.....its true

'Ever been hit in the head with a golf ball?'

-JF Cusson, making the argument that golf is an extreme sport

 
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