Saudi Arabia Skiing comp

14594733:eheath said:
I do not support what the Saudis have done in the past and continue to do now, but I do support athletes taking advantage of these Saudis and expanding their wealth.

For golfers/soccer players its certainly about generational wealth, but for these skiers attending this event, they have chosen to support their skiing career by participating in an event that pays far more than any other ski event. They're not selling their souls, it’s an appearance fee and an opportunity to win a solid chunk of cash.
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Thanks for not being a woke mob follower
 
14594736:Jems said:
it would be so cool if they invested that hoard of oil money into making their country better instead of wasting it on their greedy royal family or making themselves look better

like seriously the oil mogul states could be so much better if they didn’t have literally the greediest ruling class on earth

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Their wealth was created by being the greediest ruling class on earth, you don't get that rich by being a good person, nobody does. Every billionaire and trillionaire and most millionaires are just as psychotic as your average criminal, they just channeled their insanity in a different way.
 
14594724:eheath said:
you can virtue signal all you want dude

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You're an SJW on here every other day. Now we know how much your soul costs! Only $50k?! Get a real job before you spout anything else. Enjoy your defenseless position!
 
Trying to promote Saudi and its inhumane to the world via skiing. Lol

Skiing may not exist as we know it in 50 years because of climate change and these fuckers are surging oil prices, killing dissidents and contributing massively to global instability.

I wouldn't want any part of this KSA vanity project, it's all backwards.
 
14594742:Farmville420 said:
Their wealth was created by being the greediest ruling class on earth, you don't get that rich by being a good person, nobody does. Every billionaire and trillionaire and most millionaires are just as psychotic as your average criminal, they just channeled their insanity in a different way.
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The entire middle east is gonna be the Detroit of the planet once oil usage is down
 
well this thread melted my cheese and so did the desert air in Saudi Arabia. Its in the middle east so there will be at least something fuck up going on.
 
14594736:Jems said:
like seriously the oil mogul states could be so much better if they didn’t have literally the greediest ruling class on earth

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they got some stiff competition though
 
14594744:tinkytwinky said:
You're an SJW on here every other day. Now we know how much your soul costs! Only $50k?! Get a real job before you spout anything else. Enjoy your defenseless position!
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Dude i think you have me confused with someone else, but OK.

The scenario is extremely unique, you and I would never have an opportunity to accept even 1k from the saudis. What you would do in this situation is completely hypothetical and you're abusing that level of fantasy to try and convince a bunch of random people you'll never meet that you're a better person. Nobody cares what you do man.
 
14594741:BreknridgeKid said:
Thanks for not being a woke mob follower
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i dont think you understand much about what we're talking about but ya keep praising me
 
14594719:tinkytwinky said:
Ha! It's morality, not financial advice. Get off the keyboard and go read "Blood and Oil." Its clear you dont have a problem accepting money from a dictator that centralizes all of his countries wealth for his own behest, or uses slave labor to generate it. Dirty money. Amoral.
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How about you read "who gives a fuck its money" written by "who cares what happens in saudi arabia"
 
14594736:Jems said:
it would be so cool if they invested that hoard of oil money into making their country better instead of wasting it on their greedy royal family or making themselves look better

like seriously the oil mogul states could be so much better if they didn’t have literally the greediest ruling class on earth

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you should run for office bro
 
14594675:eheath said:
I am fine with these skiers taking the bag, at this point we all know they're trying to sportwash but the athletes can take the money and still not support what the Saudis are doing, just like everyone else is doing.
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You do realize that taking the money and participating is absolutely supporting Saudi Arabia, right?

If there was a politician in the US who was promoting the death penalty for gays, that women must have a male guardian, that free speech is not allowed, etc, etc, and they were have a promotional rail jam for their campaign, how much money would they have to pay you to participate? Would you show up for 5k?

It's not like $100k is a life changing amount of money any more for someone from upper-middle class US or Europe (and most athletes will be getting $5k). Like there's no way in hell Colby Stevenson is hurting for money.
 
14594744:tinkytwinky said:
You're an SJW on here every other day. Now we know how much your soul costs! Only $50k?! Get a real job before you spout anything else. Enjoy your defenseless position!
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You're a fucking pusssy man. you think going to saudi for a ski comp for 50k is selling your soul? bitch ass
 
14594783:corona said:
You do realize that taking the money and participating is absolutely supporting Saudi Arabia, right?

If there was a politician in the US who was promoting the death penalty for gays, that women must have a male guardian, that free speech is not allowed, etc, etc, and they were have a promotional rail jam for their campaign, how much money would they have to pay you to participate? Would you show up for 5k?

It's not like $100k is a life changing amount of money any more for someone from upper-middle class US or Europe (and most athletes will be getting $5k). Like there's no way in hell Colby Stevenson is hurting for money.
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What are the saudis getting out of this event? So far, to me, its been a constant barrage of people talking down on the event and others saying people should get paid. nobody is saying "wow the saudis must have really changed!!" and if anything, the awareness of their shitty practices, sexism and homophobia are elevated. we all think theyre awful still and will continue to do so. Maybe im missing something here, but i've never seen a positive take on the Saudis.

TBH i think theyre throwing away a shit ton of money on other sportswashing endeavors (LIV golf, premier league) and if some skiers get a piece of that pie, then good for them. I guess i just see the effect of the sportswashing to be moot, theyre throwing money at their problems and nothing is changing.

And its not about "hurting" for money, do you not ask your boss for a raise because you're not "hurting for money"? like come on man, these guys are doing everything they can to support themselves, you can be as critical as you want but in the end, these guys are only there to get paid, ski and move on.
 
14594792:eheath said:
What are the saudis getting out of this event? So far, to me, its been a constant barrage of people talking down on the event and others saying people should get paid. nobody is saying "wow the saudis must have really changed!!" and if anything, the awareness of their shitty practices, sexism and homophobia are elevated. we all think theyre awful still and will continue to do so. Maybe im missing something here, but i've never seen a positive take on the Saudis.

TBH i think theyre throwing away a shit ton of money on other sportswashing endeavors (LIV golf, premier league) and if some skiers get a piece of that pie, then good for them. I guess i just see the effect of the sportswashing to be moot, theyre throwing money at their problems and nothing is changing.

And its not about "hurting" for money, do you not ask your boss for a raise because you're not "hurting for money"? like come on man, these guys are doing everything they can to support themselves, you can be as critical as you want but in the end, these guys are only there to get paid, ski and move on.
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Aren't you in the marketing/media business? You absolutely should understand what they're getting out of this. The Saudis are actively trying to diversify their economy and generate a more favourable look for themselves and one big part of that is tourism and sporting leagues. Events like this are part of the campaign to showcase their country to the world as a place that isn't just a desert full of oil and people stuck with outdated ideals. Having world class athletes (even washed up ones) that people recognize and look up to is a huge part of this, especially for changing how they're perceived by future generations who currently idolize these athletes.

Again, this is directly comparable to my previous example. How much would you have to get paid to be a star at a campaign event of a politician who is actively promoting the death penalty for gays?
 
Newschoolers has access to talk these athletes. Would be interesting to do an interview with a couple of them and get their view on why they participated and how they react to the criticism of supporting a regime like Saudi Arabia.
 
14594698:PussyFinder said:
Why is a shame then?
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well i didn't say it was a shame, someone else did and your weird reply to him about WOKE, dumb americans etc is what i replied to

i definitely don't blame any of these skiers for going, especially the ones that don't come from rich families. you'll never catch me hating on skiers for doing stuff to keep their career going (e.g. dumb youtube videos and other social media crap), most of them put a lot more in to skiing than they get out

but i do think it's weird that on this subject a lot of people jump down people's throats for saying something even mildly negative about KSA's sportswashing. like really? it's that weird to you that people would have mixed feelings about this stuff? they're not staging a protest at athletes' houses or some crazy shit, theyre just vocalizing opinions
 
14594793:corona said:
Aren't you in the marketing/media business? You absolutely should understand what they're getting out of this. The Saudis are actively trying to diversify their economy and generate a more favourable look for themselves and one big part of that is tourism and sporting leagues. Events like this are part of the campaign to showcase their country to the world as a place that isn't just a desert full of oil and people stuck with outdated ideals. Having world class athletes (even washed up ones) that people recognize and look up to is a huge part of this, especially for changing how they're perceived by future generations who currently idolize these athletes.

Again, this is directly comparable to my previous example. How much would you have to get paid to be a star at a campaign event of a politician who is actively promoting the death penalty for gays?
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I mean I explained pretty clearly that I don't believe what they are doing is working, I understand what they are doing man. I don't really have the desire to argue about it, you know my stance and I know yours, lets leave it at that.
 
14594795:SofaKingSick said:
well you'll never catch me hating on skiers for doing stuff to keep their career going
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I'll ask you this too then. Would you have any issues with a skier participating in a campaign event to help promote a politician who is actively promoting the death penalty for gays?
 
14594703:eheath said:
The term selling out is only used by young/immature people who haven't had to worry about financial responsibilities.
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come on that's just not true. literally billions of people balance their values with their financial responsibilities. and i can go ahead and guess that at least once in your life you've shaken your head at someone for selling out. e.g. a politician
 
14594798:SofaKingSick said:
come on that's just not true. literally billions of people balance their values with their financial responsibilities. and i can go ahead and guess that at least once in your life you've shaken your head at someone for selling out. e.g. a politician
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I was referring to how people call skiers sellouts, should have been more specific.
 
14594797:corona said:
I'll ask you this too then. Would you have any issues with a skier participating in a campaign event to help promote a politician who is actively promoting the death penalty for gays?
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believe me dude i hear you. i just think freeskiers are such small players in this game that it doesn't move the needle much for me

but take for example the soccer players who go to KSA ""for the bag"" when they already make hundreds of thousands per week (for those unfamiliar with soccer wages, yes you read that right)? i think a lot of them are cunts. i def laughed when jordan henderson gave up on it like 2 months in... turns out living in a bizarre desert theocracy has downsides lmao

my thoughts on this thread have mostly been wondering why people get so up in arms when people dare express mixed feelings about the whole thing. and i don't think i agree with electronic heath when he says the sportswashing isn't working. i think it might be working indeed but time will tell
 
14594795:SofaKingSick said:
well i didn't say it was a shame, someone else did and your weird reply to him about WOKE, dumb americans etc is what i replied to

i definitely don't blame any of these skiers for going, especially the ones that don't come from rich families. you'll never catch me hating on skiers for doing stuff to keep their career going (e.g. dumb youtube videos and other social media crap), most of them put a lot more in to skiing than they get out

but i do think it's weird that on this subject a lot of people jump down people's throats for saying something even mildly negative about KSA's sportswashing. like really? it's that weird to you that people would have mixed feelings about this stuff? they're not staging a protest at athletes' houses or some crazy shit, theyre just vocalizing opinions
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I’m not reading all that dumb shit. You want to talk to somone who actually cares talk to jems
 
14594796:eheath said:
I mean I explained pretty clearly that I don't believe what they are doing is working, I understand what they are doing man. I don't really have the desire to argue about it, you know my stance and I know yours, lets leave it at that.
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For years on end you have been one of the most argumentative keyboard warriors on this site.

You are clearly arguing that skiers should not be judged for taking money from MBS. We get your position, and we shit on it accordingly.

Please read anything on MBS and come back to this thread.

You're also making claims that people who use the word "sellout" dont have any financial struggles of their own? They are sellouts dude, that doesnt mean we dont make our own money or have struggles, we just dont look for handouts from people who rape, enslave, and kill in the open.
 
14594819:tinkytwinky said:
You're also making claims that people who use the word "sellout" dont have any financial struggles of their own? They are sellouts dude, that doesnt mean we dont make our own money or have struggles, we just dont look for handouts from people who rape, enslave, and kill in the open.
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You completely missed my point, the people (you) who call skiers sellouts don't understand the financial situation said skiers are in. You may think they're just flowing in cash, some are, but most are simply doing everything they can to benefit from their career.

Nobody in skiing sells out, they're earning money for doing something they love and most of the time people who don't like that are just jealous (for the record i don't think that applies to you).

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14594825:eheath said:
You completely missed my point, the people (you) who call skiers sellouts don't understand the financial situation said skiers are in. You may think they're just flowing in cash, some are, but most are simply doing everything they can to benefit from their career.

Nobody in skiing sells out, they're make money for doing something they love and most of the time people who don't like that are just jealous (not sure if thats you).
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I do, i understand that skiing is a financial struggle, that doesnt justify taking a handout from a dictator. Where do you think that money comes from Evan? Off the backs of indentured servants and slaves, off the people of Saudi Arabia, all of the wealth goes to MBS, and anyone who asks for a different lifestyle is killed.

You have to be ignorant to accept that money and not feel bad. If these skiers dont want to live a life of financial struggle well shit they should have taken a desk job. All of our parents told us when we were kids that its hard to be a professional athlete and even harder to be paid well doing it.

Please keep ending with an ad-hominin, it really helps your "point".
 
14594825:eheath said:
You completely missed my point, the people (you) who call skiers sellouts don't understand the financial situation said skiers are in. You may think they're just flowing in cash, some are, but most are simply doing everything they can to benefit from their career.

Nobody in skiing sells out, they're earning money for doing something they love and most of the time people who don't like that are just jealous (for the record i don't think that applies to you).

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does henrik, colby and thall really need it tho lmao
 
14594833:sindreplassen said:
does henrik, colby and thall really need it tho lmao
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henrik and thall don’t, not sure about colby’s financial situation

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Everyone should go to the comp, ski naked and do a screamin seaman while facing salman or any of the royal family. This way spreads the word of skiing, draws attention to the evils of saudi arabia, and creates an opprotunity for lesser known athletes to advance in the sport.
 
14594756:VV.XTREME said:
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It looks like a poster to honor jihad warriors.

I don't get why everyone is freaking out, we'd all suck some Arab dick if the check was big enough.
 
14594739:Farmville420 said:
Hey man genuine question but have you ever accepted a US dollar as payment before? Because if you think Saudi Money is dirty, wait until you hear about the US Dollar.... or Euro, or pound, or yen, or rupee, etc. etc.

Not saying Bin Salman should avoid criticism for being a trash human but if you've ever voted for a US president you support the same moral injustices you are denouncing. Just saying.
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That doesn't really make sense though. Making a US Dollar for most people is just the currency we trade in. It has nothing to do with the government. There's a difference between a government paying you and just earning money within an economy.

Idk. Really not a great comparison.
 
All this sportswashing stuff seems pretty insignificant to me compared to the fact that Saudi Arabia is one of the US close military allies and we sell them a shitload of weapons, which is kinda what the US does all over the world and it unfortunately has bipartisan support
 
I think I am fine with the athletes going to this, but also think people should continue to speak out against it. That way any time these events happen I get a reminder that Saudi Arabia sucks and athletes still get paid and bring that money back to their communities.
 
Who fucking cares. This is a net benefit (even if small) both politically and economically to the athletes' countries.
 
14594983:theabortionator said:
That doesn't really make sense though. Making a US Dollar for most people is just the currency we trade in. It has nothing to do with the government. There's a difference between a government paying you and just earning money within an economy.

Idk. Really not a great comparison.
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That's not what was I was saying at all, read the message I was quoting lol
 
14594740:eheath said:
Its not that the saudis are getting taken advantage of, the athletes are taking the advantage to receive a bunch of money in exchange to just do the sport they already do, no strings attached, that's all i meant.
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The man is spitting facts. At first I was pissed but now realize that the athletes don't have to support any of the stuff the Saudis are doing and just going to make a bag. Couldn't there be events here and there like redbull hardline? If any of you follow mountian biking you will know what I'm talking about. The prize purse is substantially larger than anything else on the World Cup circuit. Super unique event too and good fun to watch.
 
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